Whole Tobacco Alkaloid (WTA) now available at Aroma Ejuice

[doots]

I just finished listening to it. Wow...

Nice job Jerry... considering it was disappointing that a competitor was allowed to call in and participate during your "interview" WTH!??? The show's host either totally lost control of everything or sat back hoping for fireworks.

Jerry, I think you handled it very well considering it was obvious you had no idea it was going to go like that and the show's host didn't do anything to stop it.

That kind of thing is what bugs me the most about these vaping radio shows. I don't understand how some of these guys treat people who are taking their time to come on their shows. It would have been fine for Russ to take that call and upon learning who it was, cut it short, and invite him to call back AFTER your interview.

Instead, Russ goads on the competitor by asking him "Do you disagree with anything that he's (Jerry) said so far?" and lets the guy rail on and on. Really??? Then Russ asks if there is some kind of "Back story" between Jerry and the supplier that calls in, and THEN pushes it even further when he asks the supplier who called in if he has a problem with Jerry... Sheesh.

To me, it sure looked like having that supplier call in was planned by the show's host for added entertainment.

This isn't the first time I've seen a vaping radio show host do something crass like mention other people's products or take calls from and essentially promote a competitor while their invited guest is on the air. After I got through listening, I was still shaking my head...

Sorry Russ, I won't bother to tune in again.

Good point Helen. I wont be tuning in either..

 

[JuniorNA]

guys/gals...where can I hear this radio show? Is there a link to the recorded show? i'd love to hear what Jerry had to say to this caller? I'm very interested. Let me know. Thanks.


EDIT, nevermind. I'm an idiot. The link is 3 posts above me.

 

[6pointprime]

Hey folks...just to set the record straight here....

I accept all calls on my show. I have a blanket invitation to anyone to call in on any show to ask any questions or make any comments....it's the nature of the show, and I have a long track record of doing exactly that - and it's all out there in the archives for anyone to hear.

I do think that the call and exchange between Jerry and Ethan was overall productive. I let it go on as long as it did because it was my opinion that good information was getting out there - and that information was the quality of the character of the two people, Jerry and Ethan, who are selling a similar product.

Since Click, Bang! is live, I had to make the decision on the spot, as the interview was progressing, on when to end what was beginning to be more of a fight and less of a discussion of WTA's. The reason I let it go on as long as I did was to let these guys flesh out who they really are - and I do indeed think that this came out.

I think what came out in the end was good information about WTAs and a look in to how these two guys represent themselves as businessmen.

The opinion that I formed as a result of the exchange was that if I were to buy WTA eliquid, I would buy it from Jerry and not Ethan, based more on the quality of their character more than anything else. Perhaps some agree, perhaps some would disagree. You can make your own decision based on the content of the discussion.

Click, Bang! is intended to be a community program where the primary motive is to get new information out there about vaping...the secondary motive is entertainment.

I think this show was successful at both of those goals - but if you disagree, by all means, change the station.

 

[Katya]

I have one question; you stated on the air that you had no idea that Ethan was going to call and you acted surprised.

And yet, this is what Ethan posted on his site:

"So anyhow, I randomly got a last-minute invite to be on VP-Live and of course the owner of Aroma couldn’t actually address my concerns so he attacked me."

Could you tell us which is true?

 

[DVap]

I listened to the show, and didn't smell a set-up. I'm inclined to accept Russ' explanation at face value.
(Edit: or maybe not? Interesting, Katya).

If anybody wonders, yea, I took issue with a couple of Ethan's points. His drum-beating about "ashy" character is an out of context take on a comment Jerry made some time back about some liquids. Jerry was talking quite generally about WTA and I believe was referring to some tobacco soaks he's tried. We've all tried a tobacco soak or two, and we all know how those always come out... kinda nasty. In full context, after mentioning those soaks, Jerry stated that these were "not for him". As far as I've heard, nobody who's received a sample of Jerry's WTA has characterized it as being "ashy".

My own take on WTA is pretty simple. Start with additive-free tobacco, extract and isolate the alkaloids, and mix them into an e-liquid base. I've thus far resisted the impulse to search high and low for "safe" tobacco because such a thing doesn't really exist. Certainly there are more and less desirable traits one could look for in tobacco, but I rate combustion (smoking the tobacco) far and away as a more serious issue. This is not to say that I discount native TSNA levels and/or alkaloid profile. I've spoken at length with Jerry about these very issues, and as he works toward being able to offer WTA on a commercial scale, I've certainly encouraged him to take these issues into account and he's given me every reason to believe that he appreciates these issues.

But fundamentally, folks, it's tobacco... and any way you look at it, when you're dealing with tobacco, you're compromising safety.

 

[hittman]

Very well said Dvap. I think that some people think that just because some things aren't discussed in public that they just aren't discussed at all. If I have learned one thing about you, it is that you try to look at things from every possible angle and scenario. Once again, your input is very much appreciated.

 

[JuniorNA]

Dvap, thanks for bringing that type of information down to us, especially your extraction process when you did perform the extract, and the fact that it took 6 hours is no laughing matter either.

I did want to say, that after listening to the show. I felt there was a lot of animosity, and I also felt that both guys (Jerry and Ethan), were avoiding questions and supplementing those questions with "do you have a website", or "how long have you been vaping" ...I think the fact that Ethan has been vaping since December, means nothing in terms of his knowledge or how well he can produce WTA. Just because Jerry has an online store doesn't mean that Ethan's WTA will be garbage. I'm not taking sides here, but it just seemed like it was a setup, and it seemed like both of them were trying to make points that didn't necessarily have anything to do with WTA .

I know they are competitors, and ethan should not have said certain things, and I think Jerry handled the issues well, and with authority, but in the end, all we got was an argument, and no actual factual knowledge about WTA.

There was nothing scientific in the replay, except that you will not want to vape it all day, you won't be able to. but there was nothing else said about that.

At one point Jerry said "you'll start to nod off after vaping too much", and the host said "What? Say that again" and Jerry quickly changed his statement and said that he would challenge anyone to try to vape this for more than 10 hits.

I don't know...I didnt feel too good after listening to them both.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jerry is going to have a great product and I can't wait to try it, I just think it was a pointless argument. I don't think the host should have let Ethan in since Jerry just wanted to educate about WTA, and not argue about it.

But in the end, Jerry was mature about it, he had more to say, and he looked much more professional...but again, I'm sure Radio did not want that call to go that way .

 

[hittman]

I think the point Jerry was trying to make about the " 10 hits" was that the calming affect of the WTA doesn't require it to be chain vaped like many do with regular liquids. I used it once as my main vape for a week and it put me into what I would describe as a "too relaxed" state. I think we're all looking for that happy medium and believe that WTA can help people who still haven't found it. My thought is to use it as a supplement to vaping.

 

[6pointprime]

I have one question; you stated on the air that you had no idea that Ethan was going to call and you acted surprised.

And yet, this is what Ethan posted on his site:

"So anyhow, I randomly got a last-minute invite to be on VP-Live and of course the owner of Aroma couldn’t actually address my concerns so he attacked me."

Could you tell us which is true?

Sure thing....Ethan is not lying, and I also did not know that he was going to call in. Here is how it happened.

My original intent for this show was to have a user call into the show to share their experiences with WTA's. This particular end user had experience with the Aroma WTA eliquid. We talked about it a couple of times and I was all set to do the show with him as the guest.

About four hours before the show I decided that it would be even better to have Jerry on the air as well - so I sent a PM to him to come on the air.......or so I thought.

In my haste to contact Jerry, I accidentally PM'ed Ethan. I went to the thread on WTA's on vapersforum (while I was in my car on my iPhone) and sent Ethan a PM over there thinking that I was PMing Jerry. Ethan was the starter of that thread, and I confused him for Jerry.

Strangely enough, I got a PM from Jerry - not Ethan - offering to try to help and come on the show if possible. Of course I did not find this strange at all...after all, I thought I PMed Jerry! In reality, I never sent Jerry a PM at all....Jerry can confirm this. I guess he reached out to me seeing my post in that thread that I was going to do a show on WTAs.

Jerry left a phone number and I called him. We discussed what the show was going to be about and the structure, and set up everything to have him come on the air. At this point, I never even realized that I PMed the wrong guy to come on the air...because the right guy PM'ed me!

I did receive a PM back from Ethan, but he did not send it until the show had already started. I didn't read it until after the show was completed.

So that's the strange circumstances of how this came to be the way that it did. I know it sounds odd, but honestly, that is exactly what happened.

If this was me reading this...I'd probably be confused and skeptical. I certainly can provide the contact information for the WTA user that I was originally going to have on the air, he can confirm our conversations before the show about Aroma's WTA eliquid...actually I can provide contact info for two separate end users about conversations with Aroma's WTA eliquid....they can both verify that it was my intent to discuss the Aroma eliquid.

Also, Jerry can confirm that I never PM'ed him (though that was indeed my intention!!)....which of course also supports this explanation.

I have nothing against Ethan, but I was not interested in him being my guest on the air for the show. My overall awareness of these two companies was that there was one established company doing this (Aroma) and another (Ethans' company....forgot the name) that was new and there were questions about what he was doing, and concerns about his product. I was more interested in having the reputable vendor on rather than the questionable upstart.

I hope this clears this up. While controversial radio is good, I'm not in the business of sabotaging my guests. If I was, word would spread pretty quick through the community....and I'd be left with a show that never had any guests willing to come on the air.

I have a long track record of having informative guests spreading good information on my show, and it's all out there, on the record.

I think that the way that the show worked out was very good (despite my carelessness). Actually, it worked out better than what I had planned. I planned to have Jerry on to educate the audience on WTA's. He did that - and on top of that we got a glimpse into how two vendors conduct themselves as businessmen, which I also think is valuable.

I hope that cleared this up.

Thanks,

-Russ

 

[radiokaos]

I think the point Jerry was trying to make about the " 10 hits" was that the calming affect of the WTA doesn't require it to be chain vaped like many do with regular liquids. I used it once as my main vape for a week and it put me into what I would describe as a "too relaxed" state. I think we're all looking for that happy medium and believe that WTA can help people who still haven't found it. My thought is to use it as a supplement to vaping.

Hitman you are correct...it does relax me.

 

[DC2]

Hitman you are correct...it does relax me.

And that is EXACTLY what I find missing in the pure nicotine juice.
And my sister, who introduced me to e-cigs and failed to stick with it, really needs it I think.

Thanks for doing this, and looking forward to getting my hands on it.
For both myself and my sister.

 

[sdad]

I sure hope I am able to get a sample of Aroma's WTA when it becomes available. I have a bottle of Ethan's WTA but, unfortunately, the flavor he sent does not agree with me so I haven't used too much of it. Would be nice to do a side by side comparison of the two products.

I started listening to the podcast but gave up after a bit...can someone tell me when the excitement begins?

 

[radiokaos]

I will be doing a radio show in a couple of days and will announce the info in this thread. My main focus will be information about WTA. The show is only to inform and answer questions.

Here is a link of a show that I was on and gives plenty of info and asks questions about WTA. No distractions, no promotion (except for sponsors) and just the facts. Bish is a little wacky and it was a fun show to be on.

Video by www.Elixirtv.com: Live Recording - 08/17/2011 05:16

 

[dspin]

Standing by waiting for the release

 

[Cool_Breeze]

How are WTA extractions different from "organic tobacco flavors?"

Do WTA extractions contain some of the constituents of Tobacco Absolute? How do they differ?

About flavor... Do WTA extractions in e-juice carry significant or even substantial tobacco flavor? Does the flavor vary with different tobaccos or extraction methods? Are there flavors added to WTA?

Do WTA extractions in e-juice have significant aroma? Tobacco-like..?


For potential purchasers of WTA, what are your expectations or desires for WTA?

 

[atavanhalen]

I assume most of your questions are directed to people that have tried it or to the owner of aroma but from what I have read, the flavor is very very light and is more of a slight aftertaste and I think I read that it does vary depending on what tobacco is used. I have not tried any yet and the previous is just from what I have read on posts from Jerry. My desire of wta is to allow me to not have to keep my mod in my hand 95% of the day, as it stands right now I never put it down and its a bit ridiculous. I am also hoping that this will be the answer for my brother who is not smoking analogs but is vaping along with dipping. I am hoping that this will allow him to stop dipping and just vape.

 

[radiokaos]

How are WTA extractions different from "organic tobacco flavors?"

Do WTA extractions contain some of the constituents of Tobacco Absolute? How do they differ?

About flavor... Do WTA extractions in e-juice carry significant or even substantial tobacco flavor? Does the flavor vary with different tobaccos or extraction methods? Are there flavors added to WTA?

Do WTA extractions in e-juice have significant aroma? Tobacco-like..?


For potential purchasers of WTA, what are your expectations or desires for WTA?

Cool-Breeze thanks for your questions. Do you mind if we move these questions over to the WTA question thread?

 

[CalamityJan]

Jerry, I am interested in this discussion so could you please post a link to the WTA question thread? Not seeing it in your forum but then sometimes I can be half-blind and dyslexic.

 

[Ceegary]

I'll throw a few answers out, (guess they could also be moved). Most of the answers are already in the sticky FAQ.

How are WTA extractions different from "organic tobacco flavors?"
WTA is not a flavor, it is a more complete extraction process that includes other alkaloids in addition to nicotine.Y

Do WTA extractions contain some of the constituents of Tobacco Absolute? How do they differ?
No, TA is a flavor.

About flavor... Do WTA extractions in e-juice carry significant or even substantial tobacco flavor? No. Does the flavor vary with different tobaccos or extraction methods? Yes, but it's very subtle, more like a mouth experience than a taste. Are there flavors added to WTA? Not at present, there could be. Many testers have added it to their own juice.
Do WTA extractions in e-juice have significant aroma? No.Tobacco-like..?


For potential purchasers of WTA, what are your expectations or desires for WTA?

 

[CalamityJan]

Thank you, I have read the faq's but this distills the specifics down to RL answers!