Whole Tobacco Alkaloid (WTA) now available at Aroma Ejuice

[radiokaos]

Hey gang just moved this question over to this thread. Forgot to move my answers as well. Ceegary is somewhat right about the answers. Great questions, and might add these to the FAQ to better answer anyone with questions similar to these.

1. How are WTA extractions different from "organic tobacco flavors?"
When you mention "Organic tobacco Flavors" I'm assuming you are talking about suppliers that do "soaks". If so Soaks are different then WTA. WTA is a extraction process. I believe Organic tobacco Flavors sound like a maceration as performed in traditional soaks from several suppliers. A good explanation about soaks is in Dvap's blog
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cco-nicotine-flavor-chemists-perspective.html


2. Do WTA extractions contain some of the constituents of Tobacco Absolute? How do they differ?
WTA is not the same as Tobacco Absolute. Absolute captures the essence and WTA captures the alkaloids including nicotine. Absolute may have small trace amounts of nicotine but Absolute is more for flavor and essence.


3. About flavor... Do WTA extractions in e-juice carry significant or even substantial tobacco flavor? Does the flavor vary with different tobaccos or extraction methods? Are there flavors added to WTA?
WTA has basically NO FLAVOR. The only flavor you will get is when you add it to your current ejuice.


4. Do WTA extractions in e-juice have significant aroma? Tobacco-like..?
No there is no significant aroma.


5. For potential purchasers of WTA, what are your expectations or desires for WTA?
My desires are for WTA having the potential to help others in the vaping community. WTA might be another tool at their side so they can avoid using analogs. No high nic, no high voltage, just a different option to scratch the itch. This is not the answer for everyone but it might help some.

 

[dspin]

Hello there Jerry any idea on time frame for release

 

[radiokaos]

Hello there Jerry any idea on time frame for release

My intention is to release on Sept 24th. However due to demand it will be hard to fill all the requests even at 5ML bottles. I still have supply its just limited, plus I don't want others to be upset on the roll out. I can still do the roll out on the 24th, I just have a feeling others might be disappointed because they might not get to order on the first round. I'm open to ideas and suggestions, but either way not everyone will be able to purchase on this roll out. The demand is bigger then I ever visioned.

 

[LibertariaNate]

My intention is to release on Sept 24th. However due to demand it will be hard to fill all the requests even at 5ML bottles. I still have supply its just limited, plus I don't want others to be upset on the roll out. I can still do the roll out on the 24th, I just have a feeling others might be disappointed because they might not get to order on the first round. I'm open to ideas and suggestions, but either way not everyone will be able to purchase on this roll out. The demand is bigger then I ever visioned.

I smell a lottery...

 

[snork]

I smell a lottery...

Or maybe go by order of people posting to this thread.

Oh, okay, a lottery sounds good.

 

[Ceegary]

I know this is a tough decision for Jerry. Maybe he should do both, split what's available in half. First half goes to those that posted or messaged him first, second half is lottery for everybody else.

 

[radiokaos]

But some people sent me emails and pm's that don't come to ECF....should they not be able to get some as well?

 

[LibertariaNate]

I'm sure most of us are aware that there isn't enough supply to meet demand. We're all adults here. If I can't get in on the first run, I'll patiently wait for the next one. No matter what you decide someone is going to miss out.

 

[radiokaos]

I'm sure most of us are aware that there isn't enough supply to meet demand. We're all adults here. If I can't get in on the first run, I'll patiently wait for the next one. No matter what you decide someone is going to miss out.

That is nice to hear. I was thinking (that dangerous itself)....but maybe others that don't have the opportunity to purchase should get a chance for a free sample if they provide a story on why they think WTA is right for them? I want to pass out more samples but even in the beta thread half the testers never gave a review. How can we make sure the sampler person will put a review up?

What do you think about that? Suggestions, or Thoughts?????

 

[LibertariaNate]

That's a tough one...

Perhaps a discount on their next bottle. I guess that's only beneficial to the reviewer if they like the sampled product or you sell other products they like.

- OR -

Maybe they could pay for the product up front and you refund the purchase price after the review has been posted. I'm not sure how popular that idea is though.

 

[kcos]

That is nice to hear. I was thinking (that dangerous itself)....but maybe others that don't have the opportunity to purchase should get a chance for a free sample if they provide a story on why they think WTA is right for them? I want to pass out more samples but even in the beta thread half the testers never gave a review. How can we make sure the sampler person will put a review up?

What do you think about that? Suggestions, or Thoughts?????

Charge for samples then if they give a review you give them a free 5ml bottle

 

[Quick1]

Raffle for the opportunity to buy a sample. Include a note with each order asking for a review. We used to have "reviewers" who made it their business to do reviews... never heard a critical one. I guess it depends if you want a review or publicity.

 

[radiokaos]

some great ideas lets keep them coming.

 

[JustMeAgain]

I've been playing a bit with mixing. So far I'm doing it with view to quick mixing for one vape session and mostly between 30 to 60% WTA......

WTA changes the game. I certainly can't see myself adding some to all my "rotation" juices, but on the other hand, I will say that vaping straight might be too much for me. The first taste I had of it kind of felt like when I'd given up smoking for a while then broke down and had a smoke, got that strong, dizzy feeling, intense. I couldn't take more than 5 hits that way.

Personally, I think I will mix it, use it for dripping a certain amount of times a day and then still vape basic juice for my flavor adventures. Probably dedicate an attie to it. But it's still too early to say, verdicts out and it's all going to be personal. Either way, when you try it, you will know that those of us who've experienced it are talking about.

If Ceegary has been using a 30 - 60% mixture with regular liquid, what if you sold 3ml bottles paired with one bottle of your 3ml samples?

 

[davelog]

I want to pass out more samples but even in the beta thread half the testers never gave a review. How can we make sure the sampler person will put a review up?

What do you think about that? Suggestions, or Thoughts?????

If the reviews are to have the testers' names attached to them, when they sign up have each tester saved with a default review like 'I participated in this test but have not yet given a review.', and publish all the reviews on your site, default or not. When the tester writes their review, you replace the default review with the new one.

You still won't get 100% participation, but you'll catch a lot more people that don't want their name on an incomplete review.

 

[JustMeAgain]

I can't imagine why someone would accept a free sample based on their reviewing the product and then neglect to follow up...That's just incredibly rude.

 

[JustMeAgain]

If the reviews are to have the testers' names attached to them, when they sign up have each tester saved with a default review like 'I participated in this test but have not yet given a review.', and publish all the reviews on your site, default or not. When the tester writes their review, you replace the default review with the new one.

You still won't get 100% participation, but you'll catch a lot more people that don't want their name on an incomplete review.

That's a good idea, Davelog...I did a beta test for a vendor once and they emailed me an editable PDF form to fill out. If some people are uncomfortable writing a review - although if that were the case they should never have accepted a free sample - at least this offers some feedback to compile.

Maybe you could create a poll with detailed questions for those who haven't yet reviewed?

Just another random thought...

 

[dspin]

This is my opinion on how to sell. You have already said it would be released on 9-24-11. Keep to that, just don't give a time. Limit it to one per person. First come basis. If your online at the time, then you make out. To try and accommodate everyone that pm'd, e-mailed you or posted first would take up too much of your time. Writing about why you want it - I don't think you have the time for that either.

I would start making more now and release on 9-24-11. All that have been following the thread will know about the release. My 2 cents.

My intention is to release on Sept 24th. However due to demand it will be hard to fill all the requests even at 5ML bottles. I still have supply its just limited, plus I don't want others to be upset on the roll out. I can still do the roll out on the 24th, I just have a feeling others might be disappointed because they might not get to order on the first round. I'm open to ideas and suggestions, but either way not everyone will be able to purchase on this roll out. The demand is bigger then I ever visioned.

 

[dspin]

I want to pass out more samples but even in the beta thread half the testers never gave a review. How can we make sure the sampler person will put a review up?

What do you think about that? Suggestions, or Thoughts?????

IMO - forget the beta testers - no more free samples, this stuff will sell itself. You can't make anyone give a review and half of them probably don't know what to write in the first place. You will sell out w/out reviews.

 

[LibertariaNate]

IMO - forget the beta testers - no more free samples, this stuff will sell itself. You can't make anyone give a review and half of them probably don't know what to write in the first place. You will sell out w/out reviews.

Agreed. There's plenty of interest already in this type of product.