Starbucks bans e-cigs?

[girlsaint]

Here's the real issue. Starbucks has every right to ban vaping in their establishment, but it should also be your right to open an establishment across the street from them , that has a sign on the door that says "Vapers Welcome", making it clear that there will possibly be people "sucking on their devices" while drinking coffee. Kind of like the "Viewers Discretion is Advised" thingy on television shows.... if you don't like it... move on....


edited to add... part of the business model of Starbucks is to set up next to other successful businesses... bet this would bite em in the backside

edited again because the "e" button on my keyboard is not working properly...grr

 

[Uncle Willie]

Here's the real issue. Starbucks has every right to ban vaping in their establishment, but it should also be your right to open an establishment across the street from them , that has a sign on the door that says "Vapers Welcome", making it clear that there will possibly be people "sucking on their devices" while drinking coffee. Kind of like the "Viewers Discretion is Advised" thingy on television shows.... if you don't like it... move on....


edited to add... part of the business model of Starbucks is to set up next to other successful businesses... bet this would bite em in the backside

edited again because the "e" button on my keyboard is not working properly...grr

Since the last estimate of smokers in the US was 20% of the population, it's doubtful any establishment could survive if excluding 80% of the population that would likely not be customers if any form of smoking was allowed .. unless they had some exceptionally great coffee ..

 

[guido61]

Being italian, I can only say I cant stand Starbucks coffee. For me is just horrible, so not going there when I'm in the US is not a big deal.
This is just one more reason to stay away from them.
Do yourself a favor: buy an espresso machine! LOL.

 

[Wil]

Since the last estimate of smokers in the US was 20% of the population, it's doubtful any establishment could survive if excluding 80% of the population that would likely not be customers if any form of smoking was allowed .. unless they had some exceptionally great coffee ..

That is correct, but that leaves room for businesses that cater to smokers. If 1/5th of people smoke, theoretically 1/5th of businesses could cater to this group and do well... It worked with bars until there were all-out bans taking away proprietors' right to choose. It doesn't work as well with restaurants because a lot more goes into the decision to choose a restaurant than whether or not one can smoke there...

Vaping is a different animal. Most non-smokers are offended by smoke. Most non-vapers don't notice someone vaping. One must compare the number of vapers wishing to vape with the number of people offended by vapers, NOT the number of non-vapers.

Freedom Rules! And that starts with the freedom of business owners to make these decisions for themselves and sink or swim. It's our job to patronize those vape-friendly places and not to patronize those unfriendly.

 

[Stevew443]

I would boycott Starbucks over this, if there were any Starbucks in this area to boycott. I will write to the corporate office to let them know that I will not be buying any of their products because of their stance. I am sure that since I have not purchased very much at any Starbucks in the past, my boycott will soon bring them to their knees. But then again, my comment may just be the one that causes them to rethink their stance.

 

[joeyazzz]

i vaped in Panera Bread with the co-owner. i had no idea he was the owner and he sat next to me and asked "me do you mind me using my e-cigarette" i said no i do not mind but you could get kicked out i have no idea if Panera rules prohibit it. he tells me his brother owns this place and i drop by time to time to eat there Cheddar and broccoli soup. taking this guys word i pull out my silver bullet and have a great conversation with this guy. i love Panera bread <3
it would be VERY FUNNY to boycott Starbucks for the whole e cigarette forum. plus there customers are always on that computers typing away like they are writing the next harry potter. LOL funny if you know anything about jk rowling

 

[Uncle Willie]

That is correct, but that leaves room for businesses that cater to smokers. If 1/5th of people smoke, theoretically 1/5th of businesses could cater to this group and do well... It worked with bars until there were all-out bans taking away proprietors' right to choose. It doesn't work as well with restaurants because a lot more goes into the decision to choose a restaurant than whether or not one can smoke there...

Vaping is a different animal. Most non-smokers are offended by smoke. Most non-vapers don't notice someone vaping. One must compare the number of vapers wishing to vape with the number of people offended by vapers, NOT the number of non-vapers.

Freedom Rules! And that starts with the freedom of business owners to make these decisions for themselves and sink or swim. It's our job to patronize those vape-friendly places and not to patronize those unfriendly.

I agree .. however, from a cold business perspective, I'd venture to guess e-cig users are a tiny, tiny portion of the population at large .. my State took away the right to choose some time ago .. including Casinos ..

I respect the right of the non-smoker .. the problem is, if it quacks like a duck (e-cig visible vaper) .. it must be a duck .. which is what most see us as doing ..

 

[joeyazzz]

I agree .. however, from a cold business perspective, I'd venture to guess e-cig users are a tiny, tiny portion of the population at large .. my State took away the right to choose some time ago .. including Casinos ..

I respect the right of the non-smoker .. the problem is, if it quacks like a duck (e-cig visible vaper) .. it must be a duck .. which is what most see us as doing ..

so what your saying that because the vast amount of the population dosent know what an e cig is don't you think there is a little bit of a problem there? if a mother can beast feed her baby in public don't you think we should be able to supply nicotine to are lungs?

 

[Devonmoonshire]

I have just today set up an account on Starbucks website to address this issue. Granted most people are of the mind that if it looks like someone is smoking then they MUST BE SMOKING, this however is no longer the case and that fact needs to be made public. The more we tout and shout about the fact that what we are exhaling is indeed NOT SMOKE the more folks will realize and possibly even support what we are doing. The Valid Fear surrounding cigarette smoke is not going to go away, nor should it because there is no disputing that second hand smoke KILLS. That is a known fact. Now nicotine in and of itself is not only obtained through tobacco or e-liquid, several vegetables and fruits that we consume every day contain nicotine and the general public just doesn't seem to grasp that fact. Cauliflower, Eggplant, Green Tomatoes and Potatoes to name a few.

Now I am not a huge fan of Starbucks practices for a couple of different reasons but at the same time I do in fact still purchase their products because sometimes I just gotta have that Venti Mocha with 5 added shots and 2 pumps of White Mocha because that particular drink is just THAT DANGED GOOD! LOL But I have posted my thoughts on their website in the ideas section here:

View Idea

This is a legitimate and very well stated idea by 40Bikes and I feel it warrants our attention and support.

So please stop by there and give us a vote up if you like on this and lets just be open minded to everyones concerns and address them in a logical and fact based manor rather than an emotionally driven tirade okay my Friends.

Have a Wonderful Weekend All;
Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Iffy]

The reality of it all this is that there are just not enough vapers in most locales to impact business practices, social acceptance and vaping education.

I would love to find a cafe/coffee shop that caters to vapers; with a few PVs, supplies, juices, etc. If it was popular and well visited, THEN maybe other like establishments would take notice. Alas, I don't see this happening, at least not in my area...

But regardless, I'll fight the good fight!

 

[Uncle Willie]

so what your saying that because the vast amount of the population dosent know what an e cig is don't you think there is a little bit of a problem there? if a mother can beast feed her baby in public don't you think we should be able to supply nicotine to are lungs?

Of course it's a problem .. but until we have a high degree of recognition by the public, it will remain a problem .. ideally, the e-cig vendors should band together for an informational campaign, pooling some of the profit they are making to pay for it ..

I'm sure that if the e-cig had been around for the thousands of years mom's breast fed in public, there would be no problem .. ;-)

 

[Devonmoonshire]

Thank you very much Iffy. I agree that this is so new that currently there are just not enough of us to make an impact on one centralized location. However with the rate in which the popularity and public awareness of these devices is growing it will be in the very near future that this will no longer be the case.


Sincerely;
Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Nova Sphere]

Since I live in a state that has had a state wide public place smoking ban now for several years .. and you must stand at least 15 feet from an establishment under the law .. I complied with that law when it went into effect and I treat my e-cig as if it were an analog under the law ..

There is just no way the anti - smoke majority is going to accept the e-cig right now .. maybe in the future when thinking changes thru information, etc .. but we are asking too much too soon at the moment ..

I disagree! We must separate ourselfs from the smokers and the non smokers, as we are doing neither, and stand up for our right to live peacefully without causing harm to anybody else!

 

[Uncle Willie]

The Valid Fear surrounding cigarette smoke is not going to go away, nor should it because there is no disputing that second hand smoke KILLS.

This is exactly why the e-cig will stuggle for acceptance with the non smoking public .. the long running anti smoking establishment far, far out weighs us ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

I disagree! We must separate ourselfs from the smokers and the non smokers, as we are doing neither, and stand up for our right to live peacefully without causing harm to anybody else!

See my post above .. I totally agree .. but we must face reality ..

 

[Devonmoonshire]

This is exactly why the e-cig will stuggle for acceptance with the non smoking public .. the long running anti smoking establishment far, far out weighs us ..

At the present time Uncle Willie You are correct, it does. However, if we remain vigilant and continue to spread awareness and education then eventually it will balance out. I am proud to say that in my life and my line of work, "Surrender is simply Not An Option". I do not ever give up on something I believe in and I believe in these devices as well as in the ability of people to change the way they see the world and what is in it.

Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Uncle Willie]

At the present time Uncle Willie You are correct, it does. However, if we remain vigilant and continue to spread awareness and education then eventually it will balance out. I am proud to say that in my life and my line of work, "Surrender is simply Not An Option". I do not ever give up on something I believe in and I believe in these devices as well as in the ability of people to change the way they see the world and what is in it.

Nate aka Darth Vapor

Agreed 100% .. what it's going to take is an informational campaign, that should be funded by vendors and donations .. however, with the clear fear expressed on this Forum regarding regulation and the FDA, I'm not optimistic ..

 

[Nova Sphere]

And I Too!, Devonmoonshire!

Uncle willie, optimisim is a state of mind...you need to put yourself there.

 

[joeyazzz]

2 words. well said.

 

[redheadone]

I was shocked to read this but i really shouldn't be. it is getting really ridiculous at the number of stupid people out there that associate vaping with smoking and think it's the same. they don't take the time to read up on the issue or to find out what e-cigs are all about and the benefits that come with vaping. They just want to point fingers and condemn. i for one will not spend my money in establishments that feel this way. It is going to take a very long time if ever to change these fools minds. Until then I am going to keep on vaping and frenquenting establishments that do have the good sense to know what vaping is about.