Starbucks bans e-cigs?

[Nova Sphere]

We can all pull together!
It's one vote, one objection, one Educating at a time! Strength in numbers!

 

[Noodoggy]

I was shocked to read this but i really shouldn't be. it is getting really ridiculous at the number of stupid people out there that associate vaping with smoking and think it's the same. they don't take the time to read up on the issue or to find out what e-cigs are all about and the benefits that come with vaping. They just want to point fingers and condemn. i for one will not spend my money in establishments that feel this way. It is going to take a very long time if ever to change these fools minds. Until then I am going to keep on vaping and frenquenting establishments that do have the good sense to know what vaping is about.

Just want to inject a something to consider. I am all for us making our views known to Starbucks. But I work for Starbucks and there is something I believe Starbucks keeps in consideration as regards to smoking: aroma. Starbucks as far as I know does not ban smoking b/c of health or complaints, although I am sure that is a bonus. I would hazard a guess that Starbucks bans smoking b/c it gets in the way of the smell of the coffee. That smell is the heart of its business. So that might be part of the reason for the ban on e-cigarettes, but I certainly cant speak for Starbucks...but thought i would throw that out there =)

btw i go outside like everyone when i vape lol besides i like being outside anyway...but dang! smokers smell lol glad i dont smell like that anymore =)

 

[Pamdane]

I just added another $.02 to the comments there....lol.

 

[Nova Sphere]

I sincerly doubt that the smell of 100 vapors would match the smell of the coffee

 

[Nova Sphere]

I just added another $.02 to the comments there....lol.

Good One Pamdane!

 

[Iffy]

Aroma, ah yes!

Now if SB would only find a renown and reputable e-juice provider and have flavors 'designed' to match their products' aroma and sell 'em... win-win!

 

[Noodoggy]

I sincerly doubt that the smell of 100 vapors would match the smell of the coffee

i didnt say it did. =) Starbucks has great customer opinion access, so rally up and let them know. But I also want to keep the rhetoric down, b/c as far as I know Starbucks is not "anti-smoking" per se. It has to do with the smell. =)

 

[Doc Holliday]

Uncle Willy is right that we are a small minority.

What has been overlooked is that it is usually a small, very vocal minority who gets heard and paid attention to.
The key is to be very vocal and persistent, and to be perceived as being more than what you are.
Appearance is everything.

The decision to ban ecigs was most likely made due to a small handful of people with a negative opinion.
Balancing that against 1,000 or 10,000 angry voices from the vaping community (how many members on this board alone?), including any stockholders here and it could be enough to change upper management's minds.

We aren't up against every non-smoker in America... only the few who will take the time and energy to lodge a complaint.

 

[intriqken]

What are the dangers of nicotine injestion (should you choose to vape a liquid that even contains nicotine) verses caffine injestion?

Is sugar next on the list of banned substances at Starbucks?
I quit going to Starbucks immediately after a fellow patron was told he could no longer smoke on their sidewalk. I didn't even finish my Latte...didn't put out my cigarette either...just stood up, left my trash on the table along with the half finished Latte, and walked away never to return. I believe I still have about $5 left on my Starbucks card too.

I no longer smoke of course, but still won't return.
Unless, of course, they equally ban perfume, aftershave, deoderant, body odor, bad breath, scented candles, and gum desease, along with access to pornographic or politically questionable web sites via their wi-fi connections

 

[throatkick]

Usually we look at technology with intrigue and fascination. The latest gadget is all the rage. The fact that vaping is immediately on the BAN list is quite interesting.

 

[Nova Sphere]

Yeah, Radiation causing brain damage by cell phone, medications prescribed by protected, overpaid doctors causing untold hardship and death, papercuts from Barnes and Noble, why us?

 

[Devonmoonshire]

Thank you all so much for your kind words. The fact remains that the FDA is funded in large part by PHARMA and huge Pharmaceutical Corporations. They pay the FDA for the promise of their drugs passing through the "Clinical Trial" phase and getting approved extremely quickly with no Real and Tangible regard for the Human Cost when they are later proven to have caused death and other horrendous side effects. There have been many times as I sit and listen to the radio on the way to work or at home watching television that I have heard the unbelievable side effect associated wit an "FDA Approved" substance. When a medicine that is designed to treat a sickness includes the sickness it is designed to treat as a SIDE EFFECT there is something seriously wrong with the system that approved it in the first place.

The issue at hand here however is that a company has exercised it's right to refuse to allow these devices to be used on it's premises. All of us know that in doing so they may very well lose a huge portion of their customer base and condemn themselves to failure in the future if they do not decide to reverse this decision. I have read many articles on the "Growing Popularity" of the E-Cigs. This means that ultimately because of places such as this venue and others like it that the word is indeed getting out about our devices of choice. Once the general populous recognizes that they ARE NOT GOING AWAY, then the general population will have no other practical choice but to embrace it, albeit with or without regulatory restrictions on their use.

Just my own scrambled and crazy thoughts on it which may not be able to be understood rationally by the average human

Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Iffy]

All of us know that in doing so they may very well lose a huge portion of their customer base and condemn themselves to failure in the future if they do not decide to reverse this decision.

One fact that we must face is that they are still in business, even with the smoking bans, whether self-imposed or via governmental mandates. Another reality is that there just are not enough of us to impact the 'bottom line'.

Don't read me wrong here. I'm very proactive in promoting vaping. But some of our hopes are pipe dreams at the present time, and probably for my foreseeable future. Nonetheless, press forward!

 

[Devonmoonshire]

One fact that we must face is that they are still in business, even with the smoking bans, whether self-imposed or via governmental mandates. Another reality is that there just are not enough of us to impact the 'bottom line'.

Don't read me wrong here. I'm very proactive in promoting vaping. But some of our hopes are pipe dreams at the present time, and probably for my foreseeable future. Nonetheless, press forward!

Absolutely my Friend, We must press forward because as we all know the "Pipe Dream" of a tiny little device that allows people to digitally transcribe text into a usable format electronically is now commonly referred to as the "Personal Computer" and is a Huge Success!!!

Great insight and very very unbiased, educated and Objective statements, It is so wonderful to see that in this day and age.

Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Katdarling]

Glad to see this thread and join in the pressing forward of the E-Pipe Dream (). I have no factual information, but it SEEMS to me that even if 10 or 20 people were vaping inside a SB, the "aroma" would not overpower that of the coffee.

Your thoughts?

 

[Devonmoonshire]

Glad to see this thread and join in the pressing forward of the E-Pipe Dream (). I have no factual information, but it SEEMS to me that even if 10 or 20 people were vaping inside a SB, the "aroma" would not overpower that of the coffee.

Your thoughts?

I agree, I know that One Cigarette can completely destroy the pleasant aroma in a coffee shop. I was at the counter today speaking to the Manager and Vaping like a Freight Train the whole time as he was agreeing with me on the fact that he has absolutely no issues with allowing it in His location. So apparently not every Location has gotten the "Memo" either that or they have the presence of mind to realize that it is totally absurd and therefore choose not to acknowledge it.

Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Nova Sphere]

Exactly, you tell a friend, who tells another friend, who's friend tells a friend and pretty soon you, you have a whole lot of like minded friends saying " What's up?" and "Why exactly do you oppose our behavior?"

 

[LeAnn]

Starbucks are so overpriced and overated that I wouldn't even bother to go into their stores. They have them all over my town and I have never stepped for in anyone of them and don't plan to, therefore if they ban e-cigs in my town, I wouldn't even know about it!

 

[Devonmoonshire]

My latest response to the little Troll over there: You all may get a kick out it as he may very well not have the mental capacity to comprehend it

Enjoy
Nate aka Darth Vapor

Now TKBoss, that is a very intelligent, and for once...... Valid Question which I will answer for you to the best of my ability.
To state the facts, yes a lot of us are from ECF which is in part supported by suppliers of electronic cigarettes and accessories for them. However let me correct one thing and state another fact. Not all Electronic Cigarettes are commercially made, some are made at home and are just as effective as others made by the commercial companies. I can make this statement because I own both varieties of them, the privately made and comercially made models.
Now let me also state that commercial companies make blankets, toilet paper roll holders and other useful things as well as the private citizen who also manufactures other household equipment so there really is no reason think that either is the better device.
The reason that we are so adament about this is that they may be called "Tobacco Products" by the FDA, that does not mean they are made from tobacco. I use many different fruit flavors and coffee flavors that have absolutely no tobacco dirivatives of any kind in them.
Now anyone can come into any place with a huge wad of Snuff or chewing tobacco in their mouth and not even get an eye batted at them, why? Because they are imposing no health adversities on anyone but themselves, (Save for the occasional person throwing up because it just looks disgusting), however they are not harming anyone but themselves.
The point of this request we have for Starbucks is that we also are not harming anyone else by our behavior so why should we be treated differently than someone who chews tobacco?
So there is nothing at all fishy about it, it is just citizens asking for that the same rights that are given to others not be taken away from us for no valid reason.

 

[Nova Sphere]

Starbucks are so overpriced and overated that I wouldn't even bother to go into their stores. They have them all over my town and I have never stepped for in anyone of them and don't plan to, therefore if they ban e-cigs in my town, I wouldn't even know about it!

Darling, is't not if you go or not, it's the overall big picture. It's just that if this issue is supported in this high profile venue, then it becomes normal in evey other establishment, without question, please go vote...just to make them rethink their decision