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bomb, i fear you have little respect for the second amendment, without which the rest of our rights will fall.
guys, how does one become properly trained in mechs?
i don't mean to be semi competent, like cops are with guns, i mean competent.
guys, how does one become properly trained in mechs?
i don't mean to be semi competent, like cops are with guns, i mean competent.
I'm aged; I like simple solutions and I'm not one for going round and round the houses overmuch.
I have two nicely made heavy tube mods, which I use quite a lot back in the UK, and yes I even use them with tanks at times, Nautilus Minis with 1.6 or 1.8 Ohm Coils. When they run Drippers they run my usual system home made 1.00 Ohm coils. I check them over regulary and don't expect to keep the same batteries for ever. As far as I am concerned that's a safe system which I don't have to waste brain power constantly rethinking.
I have an E-pipe which I use at home when reading - it's basically a mech mod running a tank - a GS Air with 1.5 Ohm coils; same applies as above.
My squonker is a mech mod, yawn boring etc, running a 1 Ohm coil...
Am I going to buy any more Mech Mods? Yes, of late I've been greatly impressed with vaping Outlaws stuff and when I get back to the UK I will get their Black Scorpion mech mod.
I could even be persuaded to jump for a ReoGrand.
"Different Strokes for Different Folks!"
I have two nicely made heavy tube mods, which I use quite a lot back in the UK, and yes I even use them with tanks at times, Nautilus Minis with 1.6 or 1.8 Ohm Coils. When they run Drippers they run my usual system home made 1.00 Ohm coils. I check them over regulary and don't expect to keep the same batteries for ever. As far as I am concerned that's a safe system which I don't have to waste brain power constantly rethinking.
I have an E-pipe which I use at home when reading - it's basically a mech mod running a tank - a GS Air with 1.5 Ohm coils; same applies as above.
My squonker is a mech mod, yawn boring etc, running a 1 Ohm coil...
Am I going to buy any more Mech Mods? Yes, of late I've been greatly impressed with vaping Outlaws stuff and when I get back to the UK I will get their Black Scorpion mech mod.
I could even be persuaded to jump for a ReoGrand.
"Different Strokes for Different Folks!"
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Look on YouTube. There are a lot of good videos there. Search " mech mods for beginners". It's not as hard as people make it out to be. The most important thing is to follow the safety rules. Knowing your equipment, Ohms Law and battery safety are a must with no compromise. Good quality batteries are a must. For 18650 batteries I use Samsung 25R. For 21700 batteries I use Samsung 30T. You need to know how to build your own coils and you have to have an ohms meter. I prefer my mech mods over my regulated mods. Everything does have it's place.
That is a HORRIBLE analogy. Guns are actually a lot safer than mech mod. There is no possible way a user could accidentally load a bullet into a gun that would cause the whole gun to blow up in the user's face. Not so with a mech.
Actually I know of one for sure. Pretty sure it was a user here on ECF. When he cut the excess legs off the coil, one of them flew "somewhere" and was lost. He thought is was somewhere one the floor. The build tested on a separate ohm meter read fine. Later on the thing shorted out and come to find out that loose leg landed inside the build deck and tilting to use it caused it to wedge between the positive post and the side wall of the atty. This was an experienced user. I heard another story where the unit was dropped and one of the legs of the coil came loose and caused a short. Luckily neither incident resulted in injury or death, but these kinds of things CAN happen and very well could cause serious damage.
I don't think we can be absolute about this ScottP
www.nps.gov/spar/learn/historyculture/evolution-of-the-breechloader.htm
www.nps.gov/spar/learn/historyculture/evolution-of-the-breechloader.htm
Respect? Possibly. Less than some, more than others perhaps. It’s an amendment. It’s in the constitution. It was put in for a reason. It being an extremely old amendment the reasoning and documented argument and intent is less well known than some of the newer stuff. It almost certainly existed though.
How do you feel it should be respected? Differently than the rest of the constitution?
That Australian comedian I mentioned earlier has a lot less respect. Or perhaps more. It’s hard to know. He’s a comedian. He goes after the funny. Any funny. It’s what they do. He likes to point out that the thing was, when written, referring specifically to flint and steel single shot black powder muzzle loaders. He argues that the modern definition of “arms” constitutes a completely different type of weapon than was envisioned by the constitution and modern “arms” are a perversion of that opinion. Does that constitute less respect or more respect?
I don’t own a gun and have no intention of acquiring one. I have no need for one and feel that it would be less safe in my hands than some others.
You want to have better training with mechs than your average cop has with guns huh? Let’s see...
wikipedia Police academy - Wikipedia
Claims the requirements vary internationally quite a lot. In the United States it appears that police training is as hard or harder to get than US military training but has similar types of requirements. It’s generally a minimum two year program I think, though the wiki somewhat frustratingly doesn’t go into that part. It also says that weapon certification is often but not always a prerequisite. So sometimes it is included, and sometime required beforehand. There’s a lot of other prerequisite testing as well, some of which is psychological. As I understand it the requirement for a gun purchase in the US is an automatic computer background check which is fairly easy to avoid entirely, and even that is a lot more than is done with mech mods.
This “gun owners are better trained than police officers” thing you claim smells heavily of horse pucky from here. Military gun training might very well be more extensive than police gun training though. I’ve never been in either so I don’t know. Both appear from here to be a LOT more extensive than an automated background check that apparently is not always even performed.
The supposition itself is interesting by its very existence. Is it something you developed yourself or were you told it by someone?
As far as I know there IS no such thing as official mech training. One option is to join @Mooch ’s patreon. He provides battery safety lectures. Batteries are the most dangerous parts of mods. It’s what I did. I believe his latest lecture was #22 though I could be wrong. I follow them as much as I can, though they are sometimes slightly over my head. I’m a bit behind. I can’t really handle more than one or two a day. My ability to focus for long periods is more limited than some. I didn’t watch any today. What time I had for such things today I devoted to understanding the workings of my battery charger. It’s an xtar dragon x4, and a bit complicated. And it’s included documentation is to put it mildly, lacking.
OK...In my opinion the number one thing to educate yourself about is the hard short and what causes it....all the deaths (3) that have been caused have almost certainly been caused by a hard short in a non ventilated mech tube...
Is it right to caution about use.....yes absolutely. Is it right to be so anti mech that your advice is 'don't do it' .....No.
We should educate not abolish....the vast majority of people that come in here, asking for mech advice, are doing so because they have one and they want to use it safely. I for one would rather give the correct advice on safe usage than start a rant about the issue with dubious analogies...Stay safe.
Is it right to caution about use.....yes absolutely. Is it right to be so anti mech that your advice is 'don't do it' .....No.
We should educate not abolish....the vast majority of people that come in here, asking for mech advice, are doing so because they have one and they want to use it safely. I for one would rather give the correct advice on safe usage than start a rant about the issue with dubious analogies...Stay safe.
Well this thread went downhill fast.
I use mechs, and will always use mechs. I like them and they are perfectly safe when used correctly.
Life really can be that simple sometimes.
I use mechs, and will always use mechs. I like them and they are perfectly safe when used correctly.
Life really can be that simple sometimes.
That depends to some degree on the gun in question. I again refer to history of the Remington 700. It most certainly did. Well over a hundred accidental deaths of trained users for a single model of device, though over a very long period. Not the fault of the users or the bullets though. That was all greedy manufacturers.
I’m not sure if I was the one who first brought up firearms or not. It’s possible I suppose. It’s a hot button issue even for US politics.
I disagree on the safety comparison myself. I suspect mech mods are a lot safer than guns. They accidentally kill a lot fewer people for one, ingnoring entirely intentional deaths which I don’t think count in this instance. There are a lot more guns than mech mods though. I assume the per item death rate for mods is lower than guns though there is no data I know of. Are you saying that as a device both more dangerous than guns and not covered directly by constitutional protections that you feel they should be banned?
"Myself when young did eagerly frequent,
Doctor and Saint,
And heard great argument about it and about:
But evermore, came out by the same door as in I went."
Omar Khayyam
Doctor and Saint,
And heard great argument about it and about:
But evermore, came out by the same door as in I went."
Omar Khayyam
My advice has generally been “I don’t do it” which isn’t advice so much as merely reporting. I was a user of mechs for a while without the knowledge I learned on this forum and I view my own previous behavior as dangerous in light of my current knowledge. My only advice is that there is a lot of knowledge that is necessary to learn first, and the simplest way to not have to do that is to not use them. Most people want to find out if ecigs are even useful to them first, and they can do that without needing to use a mech these days so why go through the headache? This applies to modern rechargeable batteries as well, but they’re everywhere now. Phones, headphones, almost anything wireless electronic and portable. In those instances the headaches are incurred by the engineers designing the equipment. When you build a coil on a mech though you effectively become the design engineer. With VV devices there is at least an engineer in the middle of the process.
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I didn't know about these Remington 700 issues. I'll have to look into that. The only Remington I have personal experience with is the 1100 which is a shotgun not a bolt action rifle like the 700. I do own several other guns as well.
Most gun accidents are caused by someone believing the gun is empty when it isn't or kids playing with one that they shouldn't be. Mech accidents can happen even when someone is trying to be safe with them. They can even occur due to the batteries simply getting old and no longer able to support a specific build.
No I am not saying mechs should be banned. I am not the sort to cry "BAN IT" over every little thing that isn't 1000000% safe. I understand that just getting out the bed or taking a shower has inherent risks. In fact the only time we aren't at risk is after we are dead.
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The Remington 700 wasn’t the only one with problems. I understand Taurus handguns had some issues recently as well. I’m not familiar with the particulars though. I don’t really follow it. I’m not a gun owner. I consider them unsafe for me to have. Just me. The Remington 700 issue was widely publicized, at least on the blue side of our great national political divide. There are whole video documentaries about it, and a major lawsuit, which I understand was settled out of court in a way a lot of people were not happy with.
That you didn’t hear about it at all is interesting. The concept that someone with no interest in gun ownership is getting more information, or at least different information than someone who does implies a disconnect.
I agree on that one. Nothing at all is even 100% safe, let alone one million percent. Current Estimates of e-cigarettes put them as somewhere around 95% safer than cigarettes. I only think things should be banned if the disadvantage of the ban outweighs the disadvantage of the thing it is banning. Cigarettes are so much more dangerous than e-cigarettes that banning any e-cigarette mech or not constitutes a greater disadvantage than not banning. And cigarettes themselves have already passed that test to begin with. They cannot be banned, though there are still people who think they should be. It riles me a bit that these same people then go after e-cigarettes when the whole point is that they are at the very least a step towards removing the danger they are so worked up about in the first place. Attempting to ban e-cigarettes in order to make more people die so you can get your preferred political way is IMHO both dangerous and hypocritical.
“Dont impinge on the availability of by preferred vape because it discomfits me personally” is equally hypocritical though.
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Or making them make them. That has been an issue historically.
I think an important thing to point out here is that there are risks with regulated mods as well. It’s not just mechs that carry all the risk. Anyone that believes that is deluded. In my personal option I think the exact opposite and believe that mechs are safer than regulated mods WHEN you know how to use them. I know I’d sooner have a mod where I know the battery, and one which is so simplistic in its contraction like a mech. This to me is safer than say a no name lipo, with solder joints done by god knows who, with a chipset that could go faulty, with a charge board that could go faulty etc etc.
Drop a regulated mod and you have no idea what has occurred inside. Drop a mech and it takes seconds to check it is safe to use, because they are simplistic by design.
Drop a regulated mod and you have no idea what has occurred inside. Drop a mech and it takes seconds to check it is safe to use, because they are simplistic by design.
That actually speaks to a point I was making in another thread that just because someone uses a product doesn't mean they seek out all related news and stories about said product. I own multiple guns but I don't subscribe to any gun magazines, I am not a member of any gun forums, I am not a member of the NRA and I don't keep up with gun news or potential legislation. I don't even watch the news on TV.
Meanwhile I do belong to ECF so I get all of my vape news here. If not for this site I wouldn't know about any of the stupid new proposed vape laws.
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