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OK, stuff just got real.
I think I would like to see closeups of those sculptures - seriously. And also the painting on the wall with the skulls
The painting is by a fabulous artist named Ricardo Olvera Ricardo Olvera
ETA: The little ones to the left are mine
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Lovely, Thanks. Never heard of him, but I will be checking him out.
See, I learn stuff on here. That's why I keep coming back.
See, I learn stuff on here. That's why I keep coming back.
One more time: "Straw Man" is a noun. "Strawmanning" isn't a word and it's use in this context appears to ignores the poster's actual position and substitute a misrepresented version of that position. If you don't understand something or have the wrong idea about it, your entire understanding of the system can be invalid.
On another thread you posted, "Assume every post has no intent other than to inform clearly and completely by default." Accusing other members of being "unhinged ranters" because you disagree with them is too much of a dramatic exaggeration to be considered having no intent other than to inform.
Thank you for the explanation of the words 'Straw man'. I see this expression tossed out there many times lately. Usually the tossers of the words (plural since in actuality it is two words, not one) are trying to do what the words are describing. Isn't using the words, in and of themselves, a deliberate attempt of derailing thought process? Which of course would be a straw man tactic.....
Um the time you spent as a dominatrix might be for another forum...;-)
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Claiming I encouraged people to externally short their batteries is a classic strawman in this discussion. Claiming I meant something by "baseline risks of vaping" when I explicitly clarified something else, is an explicit, illustrated strawman. The strawman fallacy is completely applicable and completely accurate to what the poster is trying to do with regard to my posts. The poster is a demonstrated multiple offender.
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So, just to summarize and getting back to the spirit of the original post, the pros and cons of sub ohm vaping and/or of higher wattage/power vaping are simply as follows:
Pros:
1.Increased Intensity of vape (possibly yielding more vapor, a warmer vape, or more throat hit)
2. More control over your vape
Cons:
1. The higher drain on the batteries results in shorter run times between charges (given a constant vaping frequency)
2. As a result, you will burn through batteries faster (reach the 300th theoretical charge cycle sooner)
3. You will also burn through juice and coils faster, possibly resulting in an increase in the cost of vaping
So, does this sound about right? Seems very simple afterall.
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Pros:
1.Increased Intensity of vape (possibly yielding more vapor, a warmer vape, or more throat hit)
2. More control over your vape
Cons:
1. The higher drain on the batteries results in shorter run times between charges (given a constant vaping frequency)
2. As a result, you will burn through batteries faster (reach the 300th theoretical charge cycle sooner)
3. You will also burn through juice and coils faster, possibly resulting in an increase in the cost of vaping
So, does this sound about right? Seems very simple afterall.
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I'm sure some will see this as "semantics," but all the cons ... aren't really cons. They are just the effect of increasing vaping power. Obviously if you increase it, it will use more battery and more juice, for the same vape time (vape time comparison isn't insignificant btw). This will happen whether you raise it from 4 watts to 8 watts, or from 10 watts to 20 watts. So it's not specific to high wattage.
I would say instead maybe a "con" is you have to pay attention to your battery selection, so its current capabilities match your needs.
Oh an "hating" is a con also
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Thanks, yes it seems to be simple cause/effect. I have nothing against people who sub ohm, however I don't think its for me at this time. I think I will be good at 1.5 or 1.8 ohms in my mechs, But who knows, the "unsatisfied vapor syndrome" may kick in at some point and I'll want a more intense vape.
Is there such a thing as zero resistance vaping?
Is there such a thing as zero resistance vaping?
"Less control over your vape" would be more accurate.
The mech stuff follows battery voltage, and that varies constantly from Top-off charge to recharge-point as the battery drains. The main reason all e-cigs before mechs were regulated by some means is to give consistency. Even the cig-a-likes.
A lot of the same effect as sub-ohm can be achieved using a regulated mod and micro-coils, for example, with consistency (My Opinion). Also, a mod could be build to deliver a consistent regulated voltage even in the high amp ranges. It just isn't necessary to do so and is wasteful so they don't build them much. Although I have seen modders building parallel battery circuit stuff, so who knows. Would be bulky.
IMHO, the mech stuff is mostly a technophobe thing...."I can repair it if the apocalypse hits" kinda thing. Who would want a completely unregulated ecig otherwise? Sub-ohm vaping is a fad that saved, or made, the mech mod market. Without it, there'd only be a few (mechs predate the SLR fad as far as I know). We used to make simple mechs from scrap stuff in the early days. I have to say that the mechs have gotten pretty sophisticated with adjustable air flow and locking buttons and such. Nice stuff. But still, not regulated.
The mech stuff follows battery voltage, and that varies constantly from Top-off charge to recharge-point as the battery drains. The main reason all e-cigs before mechs were regulated by some means is to give consistency. Even the cig-a-likes.
A lot of the same effect as sub-ohm can be achieved using a regulated mod and micro-coils, for example, with consistency (My Opinion). Also, a mod could be build to deliver a consistent regulated voltage even in the high amp ranges. It just isn't necessary to do so and is wasteful so they don't build them much. Although I have seen modders building parallel battery circuit stuff, so who knows. Would be bulky.
IMHO, the mech stuff is mostly a technophobe thing...."I can repair it if the apocalypse hits" kinda thing. Who would want a completely unregulated ecig otherwise? Sub-ohm vaping is a fad that saved, or made, the mech mod market. Without it, there'd only be a few (mechs predate the SLR fad as far as I know). We used to make simple mechs from scrap stuff in the early days. I have to say that the mechs have gotten pretty sophisticated with adjustable air flow and locking buttons and such. Nice stuff. But still, not regulated.
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I believe the "control over your vape" comes from being able to wind your coils to your own spec's (simply because many regulated mods won't fire below 1ohm, some down to .9-.8). Atty's correct though, your hardest hit will be your first. It's all down hill from there.
Yeah, but that's an attribute of the RDA, not the mech.
I'm winding my own coils on my RDA and using it on a regulated box mod.....
I'm winding my own coils on my RDA and using it on a regulated box mod.....
Same here, even though I have a couple mech's, between micro-coils and wicking material, I don't build anything my Provari won't fire yet I get all the vapor and taste I need. Maybe at some point I'll try a sub-ohm (with kitchen gloves on and safety glasses) just to see, but for the forseeable future, I'm good.
IMO you have almost nailed it Arnie. It is that simple. Pretty amazing to see the reality written down in 5 points
A couple of thoughts. Cost for wire and wick for my AGA-T is comparable to off the shelf systems. A cotton wicked micro coil setup is insanely cheap. Think about $10 for 75 feet of Kanthal and a bag of cotton balls. At a coil per week (extremely generous) that will last for almost 3 years.
Batteries tend to be changed out between 3.6 and 3.8 V. If you look at table 2 here, you'll see that if you discharge to 50% consistently you will get 1,200 to 1,500 cycles out of them.
Pretty minor points, but I thought worth noting.
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