Super easy DIY method #tape 2

[USinchains]

Lots of good info here, answered some of my questions. Can't wait to get my first DIY mail and start mixing.

Something that I was unable to find was tips on estimating how much nic base, PG and VG a noob should order when taking into consideration expiration time and actual ml's vaped. I did some of my whacko math and figured I vape over 1500ml a year, I wanted to get a year supply but got about 500ml each of PG nic base and VG cut, in fear that my math is whack, plus an extra bottle of PG for diluting stuff.

That's really a clueless moment for a noob, "how much to get, how long will it last with use and experimenting, will I get too much and have to toss expired juice?". I plan to keep on trying until I win, so would at least want to get the bases in bulk, off the bat.

 

[The Yeti]

I've seen comments here on ECF that nic juice will keep at least 2 years in the freezer.

 

[darkhood]

this forum has lost me completely...im the og diy jedi u fiends and im over at nu-vapor now come join me if u want, pm me when u get there and i'll give u the pw to enter the dirty heathens forum where i parade w/ my heathen pals n talk joose. that is all, im off.

 

[fabricator4]

Lots of good info here, answered some of my questions. Can't wait to get my first DIY mail and start mixing.

Yep, as simple or as scientific as you want to make it... it's all good.

Something that I was unable to find was tips on estimating how much nic base, PG and VG a noob should order when taking into consideration expiration time and actual ml's vaped. I did some of my whacko math and figured I vape over 1500ml a year, I wanted to get a year supply but got about 500ml each of PG nic base and VG cut, in fear that my math is whack, plus an extra bottle of PG for diluting stuff. 15

1500ml is only about 4ml per day, which might be a bit light for some people. Then again if you're buying more concentrated nicotine base then you will be diluting it. Then the fact that most of us tend to drop the nicotine concentration slowly over time...

My suggestion is to not worry too much about quantities. Buy extra nicotine base if you can afford it. Buy slightly over the concentration that you want to vape at for the super easy DIY method (in your preferred PG/VG mix), and buy higher concentrations in 100% PG if you want long term storage. PG and VG will always be readily available so you shouldn't try to stock up on them too much. The main concern is the nicotine base if it is suddenly regulated or otherwise becomes difficult to get.

The general rule seems to be that high concentration nicotine in 100% PG base will easily last 2 years in the freezer. PG is more stable than VG.

That's really a clueless moment for a noob, "how much to get, how long will it last with use and experimenting, will I get too much and have to toss expired juice?". I plan to keep on trying until I win, so would at least want to get the bases in bulk, off the bat.

Don't overthink it, you'll have much more of an idea how things will hang together once you make a start. Just 300ml of nicotine base at slightly over the mg/ml you want to vape would appear to be about 2 1/2 months supply based on the figures you gave. Personally, I think I vape about 30-40ml per week with some days being heavier than others. I don't worry that some days I only seem to vape 3ml and others I will vape 10ml. There's no combustion, so it's all good.

 

[fabricator4]

Well, I routinely make batches of 240, 480 and 720ml all the time. FYI, I vape about 10-12ml per day, wife vapes about 5-6ml and I sell some to my co-workers.

My friend doesn't DIY, he just had the theory and thought I might need to adjust my ratios. My big batches are almost all DK-Tab and I mix it at 10% flavor no matter how large the batch. Recently though, I've been having some issues with the flavor not being the same that it used to be, but I think PA changed their DK flavor base....kinda makes me angry because I just bought 3 120ml bottles of it!

I would not expect any difference in flavour going from a small 10% batch to a large 10% batch. If the unsteaped flavour is different then the difference must be in the concentrate, not the mixing. I would not go straight from a 20 drop test to a 240ml batch though, because the 20 drop test only gives an indicator - it's not that accurate. Again, I have to warn that there could be differences in drops - say you had a high VG base and the flavour was almost all PG, I'd expect 1 drop of flavour in 20 drops of base would be LESS than 10%, maybe 7 - 8%. If you have a large batch that isn't quite right, try diluting it a little.

My normal progression for testing is:
1)20 or 40 drop test
2)5 or 10 ml sample
3)30 ml batch
4)Largest I've done so far is 50ml

If I make a 10ml sample and still like it after vaping it for a day, then I make a larger batch. I'm afraid most of the things I've tried have failed at the 10ml sample stage when I realise how badly they vape over a longer period.

There's another factor too, and that is that your taste perception changes over time. The taste buds get jaded and a bad experience can ruin the flavour of a juice for a long time. This is really the main reason I won't mix up such large batches - all my base has to be imported and I can't afford to use it up on mixes that I don't like any more, no matter how good I think they are right now.

 

[red_m1ke]

Well, I routinely make batches of 240, 480 and 720ml all the time. FYI, I vape about 10-12ml per day, wife vapes about 5-6ml and I sell some to my co-workers.

My friend doesn't DIY, he just had the theory and thought I might need to adjust my ratios. My big batches are almost all DK-Tab and I mix it at 10% flavor no matter how large the batch. Recently though, I've been having some issues with the flavor not being the same that it used to be, but I think PA changed their DK flavor base....kinda makes me angry because I just bought 3 120ml bottles of it!

w00t ? Thats just... sick )

When you scale up your recipe nothing changes, except the steeping time. So if u use 10% to mix 5ML it will be the same to mix 5L BUT the steeping time a.k.a. time for molecules to blend in my experience grows considerably.

Consider using a big ultrasonic steeper for the BIG bottles It does wonders. I finally got the time to go and pick-up my TFA flavours from the customs and I must say that they are just wonderfullllll

Compared to the FA its like driving a 20yo car then a brand new mercedes I made four recipes wich stick to you (addictive) and I am currently testing the steeping times for each one and for each size as I said. So until now, for 1ML takes about two 6 sec microwave and that`s it, for 5ML takes about 6 cicles in the microwave and 10 ML takes about 2 hours in the ultrasonic clear.

Maybe it`s just me but I really notices time for steep is directly proportional to the size of the mix.

 

[red_m1ke]

The taste buds get jaded and a bad experience can ruin the flavour of a juice for a long time. This is really the main reason I won't mix up such large batches

Been there done that. I mixed some peanut butter and for some reason it tasted like dirty monkey ..... You know when u were a kid and went to the circus that it smelled funny ? The circus I mean. That`s exactley how it tastes. Like a dirty dirty monkey from the circus ))) It`s very hard to forget a bad taste. I even tried mixing it at .5% in other mixes, but it is so well impregnated in my brain that I can STILL taste it and wanna kill myself )))

 

[red_m1ke]

I've seen comments here on ECF that nic juice will keep at least 2 years in the freezer.

Yes it`s true. Nic juice does not expire from my knowlage and the % of nic does not drop over time.

 

[USinchains]

Don't overthink it...

Thanks, Chris. Yeah, I'm a little over 4ml a day, which I thought was a lot seeing as the cost of liquid just tripled for me after getting into RBA's.

There's another factor too, and that is that your taste perception changes over time. The taste buds get jaded and a bad experience can ruin the flavour of a juice for a long time. This is really the main reason I won't mix up such large batches - all my base has to be imported and I can't afford to use it up on mixes that I don't like any more, no matter how good I think they are right now.

I have this problem, and it doesn't help that I'm a one flavor type of guy. My favorite juice is otherworldly for the first day, then Im denied the full pleasure and it's just better than anything else, but not good, if that makes any sense, lol. That special something is gone until I force myself to vape something else for a few days.

One bit of advice I can give, don't ever spray organic pest spray, made of clove oil, all over the house. That stuff lingers in the air for weeks, wrecks your pallet and destroys any chance of a pleasant vape. It's just a nasty experience that makes you want to run away to a hotel room.

 

[The Yeti]

I would not expect any difference in flavour going from a small 10% batch to a large 10% batch. If the unsteaped flavour is different then the difference must be in the concentrate, not the mixing. I would not go straight from a 20 drop test to a 240ml batch though, because the 20 drop test only gives an indicator - it's not that accurate. Again, I have to warn that there could be differences in drops - say you had a high VG base and the flavour was almost all PG, I'd expect 1 drop of flavour in 20 drops of base would be LESS than 10%, maybe 7 - 8%. If you have a large batch that isn't quite right, try diluting it a little.

My normal progression for testing is:
1)20 or 40 drop test
2)5 or 10 ml sample
3)30 ml batch
4)Largest I've done so far is 50ml

If I make a 10ml sample and still like it after vaping it for a day, then I make a larger batch. I'm afraid most of the things I've tried have failed at the 10ml sample stage when I realise how badly they vape over a longer period.

There's another factor too, and that is that your taste perception changes over time. The taste buds get jaded and a bad experience can ruin the flavour of a juice for a long time. This is really the main reason I won't mix up such large batches - all my base has to be imported and I can't afford to use it up on mixes that I don't like any more, no matter how good I think they are right now.

Yeah, thanks for that - when I get my new flavors to try I'll use your progression, makes sense to do it that way before filling up the 240ml bottles.

As far as taste perception goes - I've been vaping PA's DK Tab almost exclusively for around a year now, so I know what it should taste like. The latest batch of flavoring I got from them (about 2 months ago) just ain't right. I ordered a small bottle of DK from them yesterday so I could see for myself if they changed the formula or if I just got a bad batch - I'm crossing my fingers in hopes that it was a bad batch because if this is the new formula I will be very, very sad.

I've even considered that it could possibly be my base ingredients (ordered at the same time as the "bad" DK) effecting the taste, but my wife's ADV pear flavor still tastes exactly the same as it always has.

w00t ? Thats just... sick )

When you scale up your recipe nothing changes, except the steeping time. So if u use 10% to mix 5ML it will be the same to mix 5L BUT the steeping time a.k.a. time for molecules to blend in my experience grows considerably.

Consider using a big ultrasonic steeper for the BIG bottles It does wonders. I finally got the time to go and pick-up my TFA flavours from the customs and I must say that they are just wonderfullllll

Compared to the FA its like driving a 20yo car then a brand new mercedes I made four recipes wich stick to you (addictive) and I am currently testing the steeping times for each one and for each size as I said. So until now, for 1ML takes about two 6 sec microwave and that`s it, for 5ML takes about 6 cicles in the microwave and 10 ML takes about 2 hours in the ultrasonic clear.

Maybe it`s just me but I really notices time for steep is directly proportional to the size of the mix.

My latest batch of DK has been steeping for around 3 weeks now and it still sucks. In the past, 2 weeks has been just about right, although it was pretty good after just 24hrs.

Who is "TFA"? I just ordered a bunch of the concentrated tobacco flavors from VZ yesterday and am looking forward to trying those after reading all the good comments here.

 

[fabricator4]

Who is "TFA"?

"The Flavour Apprentice", formerly "The Perfumers Apprentice". You'll see TFA and TPA both used.

 

[The Yeti]

That's what I figured. I was referencing this post:

w00t ? Thats just... sick )

When you scale up your recipe nothing changes, except the steeping time. So if u use 10% to mix 5ML it will be the same to mix 5L BUT the steeping time a.k.a. time for molecules to blend in my experience grows considerably.

Consider using a big ultrasonic steeper for the BIG bottles It does wonders. I finally got the time to go and pick-up my TFA flavours from the customs and I must say that they are just wonderfullllll

Compared to the FA its like driving a 20yo car then a brand new mercedes I made four recipes wich stick to you (addictive) and I am currently testing the steeping times for each one and for each size as I said. So until now, for 1ML takes about two 6 sec microwave and that`s it, for 5ML takes about 6 cicles in the microwave and 10 ML takes about 2 hours in the ultrasonic clear.

Maybe it`s just me but I really notices time for steep is directly proportional to the size of the mix.

So, then my next question is: who is "FA"??

 

[fabricator4]

That's what I figured. I was referencing this post:



So, then my next question is: who is "FA"??

Ah, that would be "Flavour Art"

I have quite a few FA flavours here. I keep trying to get more TFA stuff, but when hunting though the pages on line the FA must be more appealing. Recently I went online to get a bottle of CD (Capella Drops) sweet strawberry after reading reviews, and still finished up with FA Raspberry.

 

[DeeDee1234]

bump for drops