SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

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Sounds like a connection problem. I'd use a different atomizer and see what happens.

I've used 2 - 3, all on Subtank mini bases that I've never had any problems with Ni200 on, and all coming in at the right resistance according to steam engine. Built at least 5 coils today thinking something must be wrong with my build but they always come out pretty accurately just not performing so great. Running 19.5j, 550 deg right now and it's a bit on the cool side for me. :(
 

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Not sure what I've got going wrong here but received my 26g Ti today from Unkamen, Built several coils at 5 wraps around 7/64 mandrel and all locking in at .235Ω - .236Ω several different builds but cant seem to get a stable temp compared to ni200. I have to go up to 560 or above to get the same warmth vapor I was getting with ni200 at 415 - 430 or so. :( Also doesn't seem to be as stable in Ti01 mode in regard to the temp bouncing as ni200 mode has been pretty stable at the temp limit. Any idea what I may have overlooked?

I don't have an idea regarding your build. But, I will suggest swapping back into nickel and setting your temp about 100F lower than your actual target. Since Ni200 has been stable for you: if you are stable on the Ni200 side with a temperature offset, it is the firmware; but, if it isn't stable, it is the build.

Is the build spaced or contact?
 

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I've used 2 - 3, all on Subtank mini bases that I've never had any problems with Ni200 on, and all coming in at the right resistance according to steam engine. Built at least 5 coils today thinking something must be wrong with my build but they always come out pretty accurately just not performing so great. Running 19.5j, 550 deg right now and it's a bit on the cool side for me. :(
I did my dual 2,5mm 26ga SpiderSilk with 6 wraps and it now showing .120 ohms after 2 days of heavy vaping. At first it was .126. SteamEngine showed it should be .121 ohms so that is pretty damn close with dual coils which leaves more room for variance. So in other words, SteamEngine was right on with their calculations.

I found using the SXM Ti mode that I had to bring up the temperature to about 490F to get the same results that I got with NI200 at about 420F. But this is with the Zephyrus and my experience with NI200 is mostly with the Lemo 2 so the tank could possibly be a big factor. I just don't have enough experience with Ti yet.
 

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I did my dual 2,5mm 26ga SpiderSilk with 6 wraps and it now showing .120 ohms after 2 days of heavy vaping. At first it was .126. SteamEngine showed it should be .121 ohms so that is pretty damn close with dual coils which leaves more room for variance. So in other words, SteamEngine was right on with their calculations.

I found using the SXM Ti mode that I had to bring up the temperature to about 490F to get the same results that I got with NI200 at about 420F. But this is with the Zephyrus and my experience with NI200 is mostly with the Lemo 2 so the tank could possibly be a big factor. I just don't have enough experience with Ti yet.


I took @Yozhik suggestion and built one of my old EHPro Atomic drippers and it's behaving the same way, (needing much higher temp) to get the similar vapor experience compared to ni200 and still seems much more bouncy at the temp setting when it's reached. Kind of burnt out on all the builds I've done today. Think I'll put the ni200 back in and relax a bit, maybe try it again tomorrow. :)


Did you figure anything out Vlad. What kind of Ti were you using before?
No I haven't figured it out 2legs. I've not used Ti prior to today so it's new to me. I ordered the wire @druckle had suggested since he's not had problems that's what I was wanting :) Unkamen supplies 26g.
 

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I took @Yozhik suggestion and built one of my old EHPro Atomic drippers and it's behaving the same way, (needing much higher temp) to get the similar vapor experience compared to ni200 and still seems much more bouncy at the temp setting when it's reached. Kind of burnt out on all the builds I've done today. Think I'll put the ni200 back in and relax a bit, maybe try it again tomorrow. :)

What happens if you put it in Nickel mode and bring the temp down? Does that make it less bouncy?
 
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What happens if you put it in Nickel mode and bring the temp down? Does that make it less bouncy?

Yea temp displayed is pretty solid running in ni200 mode. Lowered the temp from 550 to 450 with .216Ω coil, 23j it thinks it's at 267 deg. and is pretty solid right there.
 

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Maybe it's a bad firmware install?
I suppose anything is a possibility. Subtank mini is back on with a ni200 build, full tank of Caps V2 vanilla custard and working like a charm right now so I'm gonna relax the rest of the evening with it. I'll update it again tomorrow and give it a few more tries to see if I can figure out what's going on but I'm done messing with Ti mode for the night.:vapor:
 

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Well I've got my Ti waiting for me where we are going for a month and will give it a try. Were you using 26awg 5 wraps 3mm spaced? That's the one I'm going to try. from what I've heard it seems to be the best. Unkamen is waiting for me there and the Vape Mesh stuff will be there in a week or two. Only upgraded one of my SX's to try it. .21 sounds kind of low for what QM has said with his build same as above build. He's getting .26 or so. I hope someone is giving them alot of feedback on the firmware.
 

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Glad I only invested $30 in Ti and 10 of that was shipping from the UK actually a little more. Will be curious to see the difference. I agree with you the STM works great on nickel and if worse comes to worse I have a lot of it. Plus with 3 SX's the coils are lasting about 15 days. And even then they are not terrible but you can tell. It would be great if they hit the Ti as well as they have done on the nickel.
 

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Well I've got my Ti waiting for me where we are going for a month and will give it a try. Were you using 26awg 5 wraps 3mm spaced? That's the one I'm going to try. from what I've heard it seems to be the best. Unkamen is waiting for me there and the Vape Mesh stuff will be there in a week or two. Only upgraded one of my SX's to try it. .21 sounds kind of low for what QM has said with his build same as above build. He's getting .26 or so. I hope someone is giving them alot of feedback on the firmware.
Atomizer static resistnce can vary greatly and affects the resistance value you see on the screen. The resistance you read is the sum of the coil resistance, contact resistance and atomizer static resistance so don't get hung up on differences in readings too much.

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I suppose anything is a possibility. Subtank mini is back on with a ni200 build, full tank of Caps V2 vanilla custard and working like a charm right now so I'm gonna relax the rest of the evening with it. I'll update it again tomorrow and give it a few more tries to see if I can figure out what's going on but I'm done messing with Ti mode for the night.:vapor:
I am not sure why things are not stable for you. Personally I don't see much difference between my vaping with NI200 or with Ti. Both seem rock solid to me with their different modes except I do find a need to run about 70F hotter using the Ti in the Ti mode. Seems to be very smooth and more flavor with this Zephyrus than I have ever had. But with the atty being new, dual coils which I never used, Ti wire, and Ti mode. It is hard to tell what is going on since I don't have an equal comparison to judge this all with. But I can say it is solid and stable and just a pleasant vape. So my experience with the Ti mode is very good with the exception that I need to bump it up to 470F tonight. Was doing closer to 500F earlier today but I didn't need that much temp so I brought it down. Maybe it is the dual coils that are needing the extra temp or maybe it is the Ti profile. Don't know. When I rebuild my Lemo 2 with Ti I will know for sure because then I will have a comparison that I am very familiar.

Good luck Vlad, I am sure you will make it right. :smokie:
 

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Vlad, you are experiencing the exact same thing I am when in the Ti Profile. Same exact resulting Performance twitchiness. I have tried multiple Devices and Builds to eliminate those as the Root Cause too. Running 26 GA, 5/4 Wrap (spacing approx. a wire-width in between), using both a 7/64" (2.78mm) & a 3/32" (2.38mm) bit which after spring-back expansion due to natural Properties of partially annealed Ti ends up about 3mm & 2.6mm respectively. To each their own on that choice of Bits and final I.D. depending on Wicking and the Device preferences. However,,, that propensity of the Ti Wire must be taken into consideration in matching Steam Engine Calcs with what the SX shows. The final I.D. is not really the Bit or Mandrel wrapped on as is the Case with Kanthal. No Biggie none the less. Anyways,,, it always yields a Resistance of 0.23-0.24.

When run on Ti Profile, all Attys tried packing that same Build performed in a Jumpy and twitchy Manner with the Resulting Vapor being equally as varying but seemingly always lethargic. Running at the High Temps did improve the Vapor Qty but did not improve the Flavor. Furthermore, the twitchiness in Temp remained if not increased a tad. The above was not positively affected by any change in Joules Setting ranging from 17.5 up to 25.0

When I switched the exact same Attys, with exact same Builds, exact same Liquid over to the Ni200 Profile set at 17.5-20J & 300* F, Ta-Da! Very flavorful and cool-to-warm Vapor and it purred along steadily and unwaveringly.

Conclusion Theory, it has to be the Test Firmware as it exists and is functioning on my Device. Combine that with your same Results in very similar Situations, and that Theory & Conclusion are bolstered and further substantiated.

One probable Root Cause could be the Test Download and how it installed on our Devices. Much like a Program or App which runs great for some and with issues for others, a simple uninstall and reinstall can have success and then be all Peachey. Will have to try that when I get the chance. However since the Ti Builds, as described above, are performing marvelously on the Ni200 Profile (with appropriate and prudent tweaks to the Settings that are well known and practiced) I am still quite pleased and totally satisfied so have little motivation to go to the hassle and effort to do so. I will probably just wait till the Test Firmware Period is over and YiHi dials it in and releases the corrected and stable Version.
*This is NOT a damnation of the Device or running Ti on the SX Mini M as it currently exists. This is a Test Version and these Issues are to he expected. Actually, we all want every possible Quirk and Issue to arise. That's why they released it in the first place. Gotta know the Issues to discover the Cause so the lasting Solutions can be created and implemented along with other improvements such as more friendly and logical UI. This is how and why these Tests work and are needed.
Again, No Biggie and It's still all good.

2 legs; Ain't NOTHING wrong or problematic with Ti Wire (G-1 properly cleaned) or that obtained from Unkamen or any other Reputable & Proven Source for that matter. That is NOT the Problem here. Stop worrying about the Ti Boogie-Man. Relax. Remain Calm. All is Well.
This is nothing more than a Test doing exactly what it is supposed to do. For that and what it truly is, Success.
They will get it corrected and dialed in. When they do they will release the Final Ti Profile Version and all will truly be just Peachey in our little SX Corner of the Ti World.

Until that glorious Day when all is set Right,,,
I plan to keep on building and using Ti to run on the Ni200 Profile or using the 0.12 OCC Ni200 Coils on the STM and others will run the Ti Profile and love it Settings straight up or tweaked. And, It'll still be All Good.
 
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