No, I was just saying there's to many unknown variables to point the finger at anything specific, Yihi, The wire vendor, Me, My equipment etc... until my problem is solved I won't know what the source is for certain.
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SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)
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No, I was just saying there's to many unknown variables to point the finger at anything specific, Yihi, The wire vendor, Me, My equipment etc... until my problem is solved I won't know what the source is for certain.
For the record, Ti-Mode works flawlessly on my SX mini M...
Now, I did a simple "water test" with Ti G1 wire (Zivipf): put fresh cotton into the coil, moisten it with water, press fire & watch the temp... You may need to keep dripping some water to prevent the coil from getting dry. Ideally, this should give you 100°C (212°F), the boiling point of water. In reality, it leveled out at around 102°C (216°F).
For me, this looks almost perfect. As long as the SX mini firmware doesn't do strange things at higher temperatures, accuracy at typical vaping temps would be within 5°C (10°F). Maybe you guys having problems in Ti-mode may want to try the water test on your SX mini?
Edit: did the test with 20J in "Eco" mode.
Now, I did a simple "water test" with Ti G1 wire (Zivipf): put fresh cotton into the coil, moisten it with water, press fire & watch the temp... You may need to keep dripping some water to prevent the coil from getting dry. Ideally, this should give you 100°C (212°F), the boiling point of water. In reality, it leveled out at around 102°C (216°F).
For me, this looks almost perfect. As long as the SX mini firmware doesn't do strange things at higher temperatures, accuracy at typical vaping temps would be within 5°C (10°F). Maybe you guys having problems in Ti-mode may want to try the water test on your SX mini?
Edit: did the test with 20J in "Eco" mode.
Just had one of those days. Several snips of wire ready for builds. Built a coil on the Gem thinking it was Ti, realized on measuring the resistance it was nickel. Built another coil on the second Gem thinking it was Ti, turned out it was Kanthal (that I didn't even know I had sitting there, sneaky fiend!). Finally built a Ti coil on the ErlK, realized that 28 gauge is way too high of a resistance for the coil I built. Ordered some 26 gauge Ti from unkamen, vaping happy on the nickel build. One out of three ain't bad, no? 
Tomorrow will be attempt no. 2 on the 28 gauge Ti (after ripping out the accidental Kanthal build) to use on the SX Mini.
Tomorrow will be attempt no. 2 on the 28 gauge Ti (after ripping out the accidental Kanthal build) to use on the SX Mini.
I bet you are right Tony. I heard the other day directly from a little birdie vendor that deals with Yihi, that they were just sent a stash of Unkamen wire to YiHi. That may get us back in the ballpark hopefully.
THAT is quite Interesting and very "telling"......
Hmmm, would appear that YiHi is watching Threads such as these and paying attention to their Lab Rats.
Again my fellow Ti Test Rats,
The most substantial Fact/Result garnered of all the Experiments and Tests is this;
The exact same Builds/Devices/Parameters that are Schizoid (to varying degrees) running Ti within the Ti Profile of the Test Firmware IS performing correctly and as expected when set to, and running it in, the Ni200 Profile (with the Standard Settings deviations & Norms).
This holds true for all of us (from what I have read here So far anyways) regardless of Wire Source or Atty.
Even though the Symptoms may be a bit differing in manifestation and severity, that yields only one possible singular Root Cause or "Sickness"....
The Test Ti Algorithm and/or Coding within the Test Upgrade.
Which is actually Good News as it eliminates Test Subject Errors and inferior Parts/Pieces within the User side of the Application Equation. The Test Firmware on the Ti side has a Glitch(s) and needs tweaking. Not what we are doing with it or the Method and Means of how we are utilizing it.
Time to chill and let YiHi do some debugging, tweaking, and correct their Code. They will get it right eventually. There is far too much at stake for them not to. Too deep in to turn back or accept defeat now. It's just Code and Math. There is an Answer and they will find and implement it.
Definitely Zero Need or Cause to give up on Ti. The Wire or the application thereof on the SX.
It's All Good.
It might not even be a bug. It might just be the TCR that throws everything off. Nickel TCR curve is curved and ti is basically linear. Many books refer to ti TCR as being 0.0038, others say 0.0042 and zivipf Ti is 0.0035
Now imagine some yihi engineer used some wire thru had available with a TCR of 0.0035 or they didn't even used wire but based themselves on the book they were reading... Say 0.0034?
If you put a ti coil with s TCR of 0.0038 on the mod it will be cooler than the displayed temperature so you're going to need to push the displayed temperature way higher which is exactly what we are seeing..?
Don't know, time will tell as people conduct more tests.
Regards
Tony
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I'll give that a "Ha-Rumpf" 
Even though it makes my head hurt as it screams by and above it.
I'm a Mechanical Guy. You EE types both confuse and bewilder me
Even though it makes my head hurt as it screams by and above it.
I'm a Mechanical Guy. You EE types both confuse and bewilder me
I'll give that a "Ha-Rumpf"
Even though it makes my head hurt as it screams by and above it.
I'm a Mechanical Guy. You EE types both confuse and bewilder me
Hitcat,
Don't feel alone I am a EE but between Duane, Tony and "TheBloke" they have taken this more into the realm of the Metallurgist and Physicist realm.
Most of the time I go Hmmm, sounds good, yeah probably in an attempt to keep up my end of the conversation. He!! I can't even figure out how they are getting these little processors in our Mods to measure resistance to three decimal points. I mean we are not talking about 16 bit ADCs and processor with built in math co-processors. They are doing this stuff from precalculated lookup tables assuming they are measuring the resistance accurately enough to even care what the TCR value is to four decimal places (even if the TCR values only show up in the lookup tables).
I have done a lot of small embedded code processor work and let me tell you double and quadruple precision integer math is not something for the faint of heart.
Summation: Don't feel alone.
I actually have a weekend off at last Vlad
Drop me a pm with an addy mate and will post some Ti to you Saturday
I am finding the control is not dialled in very well too Tony
Can get it to float nicely around my TP setting when set say to 260f in nickel mode
But in Ti mode even though I can get it to work ok [ish] at 480f it bounces about alot
Thanks George.
You hurt my poor wittle head too....
But at least now I only feel Ignorant and not Stupid
You hurt my poor wittle head too....
But at least now I only feel Ignorant and not Stupid
Same here QM. Set on Ni200 Profile, she purrs along nicely set at 20J & 280* F. Only fluctuates +/- 5-10* and the Vape is quite fantabulous.
I got some dual air flow bases and some spare rba decks today along with a v2 rba
Chucked in my usual 26awg 5 wrap at 3mm id after giving the wire some rainbow torching @tchavei style
Then just fired her up without locking in the new coil resistance as I know it will be around 0.265
More air flow is good and the v2 deck holes make it easier for my 70/30 vg high juice to keep up
Working fine again in Ni mode but again a bit bouncy in Ti mode
Chucked in my usual 26awg 5 wrap at 3mm id after giving the wire some rainbow torching @tchavei style
Then just fired her up without locking in the new coil resistance as I know it will be around 0.265
More air flow is good and the v2 deck holes make it easier for my 70/30 vg high juice to keep up
Working fine again in Ni mode but again a bit bouncy in Ti mode
QM ... what do you mean by "bounces about alot?" Do you mean that the temperature your tongue detects is varying noticeably? Or, are you vaping in the mirror watching the sx350j do it's job?
Ti does not provide the detailed resolution Ni200 offered. With Ti, smaller changes in resistance now represent larger changes in calculated (I always want to refer to this calculated as estimated) temperature. If you are refering to these larger swings as increased "bouncing," you are both correct and incorrect. Regardless of which mode (Ni200 or Ti) you are reading in, the resistance changes are the same. Ni mode reports these swings with a smaller temperature amplitude because it thinks it is reporting the response of Ni wire.
What I'm trying to say is that the amplitude of the actual resistance swings the chip is measuring are the same regardless of whether the chip is reporting in Ni200 or Ti. The amplitude simply looks larger when reported as Temperature using Ti algorithm calculations.
All this said, my sincere apologies if you are in fact feeling this bouncy fluctuation using your tongue. I'm seemingly stuck vaping my Ti in Ni200 mode on my sx350j powered Boxer until sometime after they get you M class guys squared away. I tried slamming your Ti update onto my chip, but the SXi software wouldn't do it for me.
Very nice of you to offer that Quantum and appreciated. But in all honesty I'm pretty happy with ni200 and after an accidental over pulse on one of my Ti builds and seeing how fast and how much TI02 builds up on Ti when something isn't done correctly or if there were a problem with a build I'm reluctant to continue down the Ti path (was being lazy, all my regulated devices had toppers but my mechanical didn't so grabbed it to pulse the coil
). I do think I'll try the water test @notarobot suggested later on today just for the sake of curiosity.Kind of funny in a sense, I had expected to have all sorts of problems with ni200 when I first started playing with temp limiting from everything I had read and watched online. Had mentally prepared myself and expected all sorts of problems but the biggest hurdle for me was a odd flavor (metalish) that was resolved when someone suggested washing the wire with Dawn. But aside from that ni200 has worked great for me. The problems I had anticipated with ni200 is what I'm experiencing with Ti presently.
Both really
I felt vapour production dropping off and then increasing
Checked whilst vaping and can see it over shooting tp by 20f+ and then dropping below 20f+ in Ti
In nickel mode I can get it to sit withing 5+/- of tp at 260f
Hi Patrick,
Thanks for your mail.
Kindly note you that we will post the updated news on our website and our facebook when it is available.
Would you pls keep patient to it?
Have a good day!
Best regards,
Queenie
Here is what YiHi had to say.
Thanks for your mail.
Kindly note you that we will post the updated news on our website and our facebook when it is available.
Would you pls keep patient to it?
Have a good day!
Best regards,
Queenie
Here is what YiHi had to say.
Thanks dr. That explains the "jumpy" (actually more like semi-violent Swings to me) Temps on the Screen Read-Out.
The main issue overall is the Lethargic Vape it is producing unless set to Extremely Higher than accepted Standard Operating/Settings Temps.
It (Ti in the Test Ti Firmware Profile) is most definitely Not functioning properly or as intended. The Code be bedeviled with an evil Spirit...
But again Thanks, I now understand now why the Temps are seemingly all over the place on the Screen in Ti and not in the Ni200 Profile.
The main issue overall is the Lethargic Vape it is producing unless set to Extremely Higher than accepted Standard Operating/Settings Temps.
It (Ti in the Test Ti Firmware Profile) is most definitely Not functioning properly or as intended. The Code be bedeviled with an evil Spirit...
But again Thanks, I now understand now why the Temps are seemingly all over the place on the Screen in Ti and not in the Ni200 Profile.
So let me get this straight the Ti works good in nickel mode but it sucks in Ti mode does that about sum it up?
I think it sucks for some people. Plenty of positive reports out there...
Regards
Tony
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