SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

[Landman]

@2legsshrt
I wanted to test the Ti prep for you using my wife's SXmini but I couldn't get it to work in joule mode due to the dry coil message. So I started at the bottom in power mode and I finally got it working at 22 watts. Just give it power until you see it glow (around 3 to 5 seconds), then release, and repeat until blue'd. This was a 5" piece of 26ga Unkamen... it looks much darker w/o a bright light shining on it. I've also used a ST mini base and deck only to do this, it's just a bit easier on this old 28mm dripper I have laying around. After this I use a napkin/towel with a bit of alcohol on it to clean and work it straight, then it's ready to be coiled, wicked, juiced and put to use.





I've always been a fan of 3mm coils when running KGD but I've switched to 2.5mm the last few builds when using rayon and I'm liking it better. Here's one from the stash, prep'd and ready to go when needed. The 2.5mm is coming in between 0.235 - 0.242 ohm every build so far.

 

[2legsshrt]

@2legsshrt
I wanted to test the Ti prep for you using my wife's SXmini but I couldn't get it to work in joule mode due to the dry coil message. So I started at the bottom in power mode and I finally got it working at 22 watts. Just give it power until you see it glow (around 3 to 5 seconds), then release, and repeat until blue'd. This was a 5" piece of 26ga Unkamen... it looks much darker w/o a bright light shining on it. I've also used a ST mini base and deck only to do this, it's just a bit easier on this old 28mm dripper I have laying around. After this I use a napkin/towel with a bit of alcohol on it to clean and work it straight, then it's ready to be coiled, wicked, juiced and put to use.





I've always been a fan of 3mm coils when running KGD but I've switched to 2.5mm the last few builds when using rayon and I'm liking it better. Here's one from the stash, prep'd and ready to go when needed. The 2.5mm is coming in between 0.235 - 0.242 ohm every build so far.

Thanks man thats some good pics. I just happen to have a tugboat that will work for this just fine. I am also taking some Rayon with me although I am a KGD fan. I am kind of surprised it took 22w to get it to do that. I am going to use one of the new coilmasters to wrap it so it is still that springy to use a 2.5 to make the coil. How does it works with KGD? Also it looks like you wrapped it counter clockwise which I am finding works really well and the new coilmaster has a hole for doing exactly that. I ordered some for vape Mesh that should be here in a week and it is annealed I am hoping I won't have to do this with that. Since it did what it did I will use my S class to do it on, should work just fine for that.

 

[Landman]

Thanks man thats some good pics. I just happen to have a tugboat that will work for this just fine. I am also taking some Rayon with me although I am a KGD fan. I am kind of surprised it took 22w to get it to do that. I am going to use one of the new coilmasters to wrap it so it is still that springy to use a 2.5 to make the coil. How does it works with KGD? Also it looks like you wrapped it counter clockwise which I am finding works really well and the new coilmaster has a hole for doing exactly that. I ordered some for Vape Mesh that should be here in a week and it is annealed I am hoping I won't have to do this with that. Since it did what it did I will use my S class to do it on, should work just fine for that.

I was too. I figured it would've lit up around 16-18w. I tension wrap it (usually CCW) and there's very little spring left after it's annealed. Coiling a 3mm with nothing but an alcohol clean would end up being around 3.2mm. I might try some that's fully annealed the next time I place an order, though it may be a while as I ordered two 35' spools of the 26ga. KGD works okay, but since going to an 80vg juice I wanted to see how rayon preformed.

Not that toasting 5" of wire is the end of the world (and you might want to just to see how it looks), but you could start around 15-18w on the S class and go up from there.

 

[Thorpapa]

Did you hear about some new upgrade in the future, with ss wire Tc mode?

 

[jchisholm]

Thanks for that Tip. Gonna try it and try setting J at between 22-26 to see if can dial it in and get a satisfying Vape staying on the Ti Profile.
You running single Coil or dual Coil Ti and what GA at that Temp?

Re-Build done. Thanks again Jim for the correction on the Legs and their placement. Had a tinge of the momentary Cranium Buttock Impactions.
Also, you reminded me of the Wick Principle I used on my old Fogger v4.1
That thing ran best with taut Wick in the Coil then thing rapidly barely into the Channels. Always wicked like a Champ. Same thing here except eliminate the Tail into the Channel and then thin and flair outward like thin crust Pizza Slice. Had that part but the "Broom Bristles" were a bit too thick.

Tightened the Coil spacing a bit and stuck with the 5/4 26 GA (agree about as low and good as you can get without sacrificing Surface Area to a fault) but this time a lowed the I'D. As you suggested.
I used a 3/32" bit (2.38mm) instead of the 7/64" (2.78mm). When the 7/64 expanded after wrapping, I believe the I.D. grew too large as you pointed out as a possibility. By using the 2.38mm it probably only expanded to @ 2.5-2.6mm. That probably helped the natural vacuum to saturate the entire Wick inside the Coil easier which lead to a more saturated vaporization. At least that would seem to follow along with the Less is More/Better Logic.

Put 'er all together and filled it up, loaded not the SX, put in Ti Profile, set & locked Resistance (again right at 0.232), set at 25J and 460* F (to start) and Fire in the Hole.
Much better to say the least. Can hit it hard four times in a row and no Dry or nasty taste at all.
We'll see how this one progresses along with tweaking in Ti Profile.

Thanks much again Jim & QM. Cheers!

P.s. Upon inspecting the old Coil at tear-down of initial Build, it looked great and as it should from all I've read on the founding Ti Sensei's Thread. It was tinged Blue and a little Gold. No light Grey or White chalky Colors. Of course (as Jim pointed out) you could tell where both Legs were running a little Hot from being too long in going to the Post holes at first instead of direct under Screw Heads. The Blues and Gold's were more pronounced.
But, still a welcome sight after running 3 Tank Fulls of Juice through them.

I've had some frustration with the Ti profile, initially great but after 10 min or so an anemic vape, resulting in my cranking it up to well over 500 deg which it overshoots immediately making the whole TC aspect moot.
I think I've narrowed it down to my wicks being just too tight to allow for adequate (read "cooling") juice flow.
I just rewicked my Lemo 2 .2 ohm 3mm build with almost half as much wick and it's now actually working to maintain 470 deg instead of instantly jumping over that threshold.
Twice the vapour volume and lots of flavour, a minor headache after 3 hits so it must be working!
Anyone experiencing temp overshoot and a weak vape should try a much looser wick IMO.

 

[jchisholm]

Not sure what I've got going wrong here but received my 26g Ti today from Unkamen, Built several coils at 5 wraps around 7/64 mandrel and all locking in at .235Ω - .236Ω several different builds but cant seem to get a stable temp compared to ni200. I have to go up to 560 or above to get the same warmth vapor I was getting with ni200 at 415 - 430 or so. Also doesn't seem to be as stable in Ti01 mode in regard to the temp bouncing as ni200 mode has been pretty stable at the temp limit. Any idea what I may have overlooked?

Try going way looser with your wick, my guess is it's choking the flow. I had the same experience.

 

[druckle]

Try going way looser with your wick, my guess is it's choking the flow. I had the same experience.

I've had that problem too!

We need a new course in wicking science.

Duane

 

[tchavei]

Hmm... I wonder... Hum...

Going to do a crazy test. Bbl

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

 

[JimScotty0]

Hmm... I wonder... Hum...

Going to do a crazy test. Bbl

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

Hmmmn.... I wonder what that means and if I would test positive?

 

[druckle]

Hmm... I wonder... Hum...

Going to do a crazy test. Bbl

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

Tony

I'm interested to see what your test is....I've got one in mind too.


Duane

 

[AmandaD]

Ah...good thinking on the wicking! I've been wicking the way I do with kanthal (very chunky in the subtanks), and I have to draw pretty hard in Ti. I'll try less wick - I guess the dry hits of the past won't happen in any event

 

[Braddahbill]

When it comes to changing your battery and the Nickel (or whatever coin you use) is a PITA to turn. I just started using a clothespin, a little more control to turn and it won't scratch or mar your tail cap cause it is wood.....I like it.

 

[Landman]

Ah...good thinking on the wicking! I've been wicking the way I do with kanthal (very chunky in the subtanks), and I have to draw pretty hard in Ti. I'll try less wick - I guess the dry hits of the past won't happen in any event

Count me in for another that's still wicking chunky in the subtanks. I still thin the tails but...?

Off to the operating table.

 

[UncleChuck]

When it comes to changing your battery and the Nickel (or whatever coin you use) is a PITA to turn. I just started using a clothespin, a little more control to turn and it won't scratch or mar your tail cap cause it is wood.....I like it. View attachment 473477

Man those Yihi cases are nice, they reveal just enough so that you know there is something really nice underneath, but doesn't reveal enough to be dangerous

Good idea on the clothespin too!

 

[Landman]

Wicked a 5 wrap, 2.5mm, .24 ohm Ti coil with about 1/2 - at most - KGD that I normally would... SXmini 80vg, 22j, 475 and it's been vaping perfect for 30+ minutes now. No fluctuation or tasteless hits... I keep checking it though, thinking the juice is going to start pouring out of the afc.

 

[JimScotty0]

Tonight was another night to take a walk on the wild side. It is raining here in SoCal so what else to do in this rare moment in the middle of July. So I decided to finally get my Lemo 2 setup for Ti. Since I love the vapor from twisted wire, I decided to do a 26ga SpiderSilk Ti twisted with 30ga Kanthal A1. It worked great for Nickel, so why not try it with Ti. What the hell right?

So I made a 6/5 spaced wrap on 3mm rod. The twisted wire was so easy to wrap and no more springiness with the SpiderSilk Ti that I have had to endure. I don't heat treat or pulse my Ti so this was very welcome. The resistance as measured on the SXM showed .256 ohms. I used Japanese KGD for the wicking which is my preference.

I juiced up the wick and folded the tails so they touch the Lemo 2 deck.

Put the chimney sleeve on and made a toothpick size pathway to the juice channels.

Now it is party time folks!

I am vaping it with my new Ti drip tip at 395F, 26J and with my own DIY which is tonight a Creamy Vanilla/Strawberry Cheesecake blend. Yummy it is! Twisted Ti with Kanthal A1 works quite well! I am enjoying it as much or maybe more than my previous similar NI200/Kanthal A1 twist builds. Very smooth rich slightly warm vapor and a steady temperature reading on the SXM. I believe the twists help put more ejuice on the coil so therefore more flavor and rich vapor. The Kanthal A1 adds little or no resistance, makes the coil winding a breeze, and helps retain some additional heat longer that is given off by the Ti due to it's fast cooling down time.

Life is good! Now for a bite of that brushette with some Scorpion Pepper sauce dripped on top to go with that warm vape! Cheers!

 

[tchavei]

That Spider Silk Titanium must have something special in it. You're not the first person I met that insist on putting the spool in every picture he takes. Personally I would prefer a more focused coil build instead

:thumbsup:

Tony

 

[Hitcat44]

Tony AND Duane both doing the Hmmmmm'ing, Experimenting & "Testing",,,,,
Good Things is a comin' my Ti Bros. Good Things.


Jim, Nice on the Twisted Field Test. Will bum a piece of 30 ga from a Bud at work (all I got is 26 & 28) and give that a whirl next Coiling. Must have been a course Twist with the Ti to keep the Ohms down (+1 to Tony's "focus" observation-can't see or tell Shinola in that Pic ). Might try it tonight when build the ErlK. If get the chance instead of Mowing Therapy with Dr. Deere. Up to the Weather.
Rain (we need it)- Build.
No Rain - Mow.
Quandary of the hopeful Wills...

Dave's Sauces.... You ain't "Right" Jim. That stuff will kill ya. Tried a healthy drop of Dave's Insanity Sauce once on a Cracker. Damn near hurled.

On less wicking,,,, Could be. Could be. Strange that the same Atty and Build (Coil & Wicking) works fine on the Ni200 Profile but at this point, what the hell do I or typical Logic know. Willing to try anything with a Rat's chance of working better. Working for others so the Odds of that must be good.
The L2 will be relegated to the 2nd-String Bench once the ErlK comes in today. So that will have to wait to another day. Take it to Work and possibly get that chance one afternoon this week if gets slow. Yep, that's a Plan. Besides, getting paid to Build while listening and advising Hammer-Heads on a Headset? Sign me up.
On the EK, will be using Qorax's Method (thin wispy Tails into the Channels and Muscular (I prefer that Descriptor over "puffy") Shoulders to each side of Coil in upper Chimney Chamber. But, I will reduce the amount/tautness of Wick through the Coil itself a tad from what I usually perform to see if that works better.
Same as I used to wick a Fogger v4.1. We shall see.

Awesome Day to All. Once more into the Breach..'. Yee-freaking-Ha!

 

[tchavei]

Tony AND Duane both doing the Hmmmmm'ing, Experimenting & "Testing",,,,,
Good Things is a comin' my Ti Bros. Good Things.

Sometimes alphas have to do the work of betas.

PS: Not diminishing the work of betas in any way though.

Tony

 

[Hitcat44]

Always considered myself an "Epsilon"....
Where does that leave me ?

Reminds me of the Good Ol' Military Days,,,
Set up the Situation and Scenario to allow & motivate the "Specialized" to begin Operations and gather the Intel,
Analyze said Intel,
Apply it to a Strategic or Tactical Plan,
Set in motion and Execute....
Now get a Move-On there Specialized and take the Objective!
When accomplished, don't forget to erect the O-Club so there is an apt and appropriate Venue to celebrate Our Victory