SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

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I am really hoping the boat with my 350J doesn't sink now! Looks like it's going to be a flask style build if it makes it to me.

Edit: In saying this I don't mean I've had problems with the DNA40s, other than a few RMAs which seem to have ironed out any issues I was having with them. coils, they've been a breeze from the beginning but that wouldn't be true for everyone from what I've read.
 
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JJA504

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I'm really liking this TC using a dripper. As soon as the vapor diminishes I add more eliquid. No more burnt cotton or overfilling the atty.
This is my first TC unit, never tried the dna 40.

Mine is working as well now and I agree. When the cotton dries out you just get more muted flavor and less of it. As someone who brings the dripper to work even, this makes a world of difference.

Only thing is that sputtering sound....but its minor
 

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I got mine yesterday as well. I have had a DNA 40 flask clone for awhile and to me the SX Mini is just overall a better vape. I am running the Sub tank mini with both RBA and prebuilt heads and it is spot on with the resistances. I do not get the change in resistance I did with the clone DNA 40 on the prebuilt heads they stay at .15.

I like the different modes it allows you to use with TC which allows you to customize the ramp up time.


I did run a dry cotton test on one of the prebuilt head and at 25J at 420F there was no sign of any charring of the cotton.
 

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I got mine yesterday as well. I have had a DNA 40 flask clone for awhile and to me the SX Mini is just overall a better vape. I am running the Sub tank mini with both RBA and prebuilt heads and it is spot on with the resistances. I do not get the change in resistance I did with the clone DNA 40 on the prebuilt heads they stay at .15.

I like the different modes it allows you to use with TC which allows you to customize the ramp up time.


I did run a dry cotton test on one of the prebuilt head and at 25J at 420F there was no sign of any charring of the cotton.

So you are liking the Kanger OCC Nickel coils? I have a M class on order, and 5 subtanks. Was planning on just running it as a regular VW device until I got big into the nickel but if I can use the OCC Nickel heads and get decent performance I am interested.
 

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Been searching and searching for information / tests of this as I have one supposed to come in tomorrow and refreshing the tracking page doesn't seem to make it get here any faster. Anyway found this but it's in Spanish so if you understand perhaps you could report back what he says for us non - Biliingual folks. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRpc7DHPZo
 

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So I had a build working great last night. Decided to change it today and its giving me issues. I installed it,everything was cooled down, kept my 400F and 40J setting and had the resistance locked around .07. It hit the 400 almost instantly and was sputtering giving me a very light and a room temp vape. I like it fairly warm so this was no good. Tried another build and its resistance read at .069. Same problem. I let it cool down just a bit and locked it in again at .085 and it started pumping vapor out like crazy. Warm too.
 

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So for you DNA 40 (authentic not cloned) owners who have the Mini, do you like it better so far, is it worse, or is it the same deal just differently done? I'm going to buy this device but only if it is better. I'm very happy with the DNA 40 devices I own, but if this can provide an even better vape (which is already great) I'll be all over it.
 

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So I had a build working great last night. Decided to change it today and its giving me issues. I installed it,everything was cooled down, kept my 400F and 40J setting and had the resistance locked around .07. It hit the 400 almost instantly and was sputtering giving me a very light and a room temp vape. I like it fairly warm so this was no good. Tried another build and its resistance read at .069. Same problem. I let it cool down just a bit and locked it in again at .085 and it started pumping vapor out like crazy. Warm too.
I have this happen on a dna 40 when my build isn't perfect. Basically what happens is that although the base resistance is read correctly, as soon some voltage is applied, the metal inside the atty expands (coil, screws whatever) which makes the resistance rise without the need of heat and the board gets confused because it's reading a resistance that's telling it it's at 400 F when in reality it's maybe at 120F... Almost no vapor at temperature protection is hit almost immediately.

By the way, wasn't it said on this thread that 0.07 was too low for the sx 350j board?

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tchavei

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Tony, I think you meant .07 ohms. I think .07 ohms is to low, especially since the lowest ohms is .08 ohms that the mini m can handle according to the spec sheet. He's at the "hairy" edge at .07 ohms.
Yes. Sorry. I edited my post to reflect the correct number.

It's never good being too low.

On my dna, if my coil shifts from 0.1 to 0.11, that's a 10% change. If however I have a 0.2 coil that shifts to 0.21 then it's only a 5% change.

Once I have a my titanium wire, I plan making a 0.5 coil so if it shifts to 0.51, it will be only a 2% change.

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Been searching and searching for information / tests of this as I have one supposed to come in tomorrow and refreshing the tracking page doesn't seem to make it get here any faster. Anyway found this but it's in Spanish so if you understand perhaps you could report back what he says for us non - Biliingual folks. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRpc7DHPZo

Hey Vlad, you got me exited for a moment... But that's Italian, sorry.
 

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My take so far on the SX Mini M is that it's built better and providing me with a much better more customizable vape than my VS DNA40. I'm loving it and it just looks and feels so good! It does run hotter than the DNA 40 so I'm keeping it between 375-400F. I've been running 28 gauge Temco NI200 single spaced coils at .11-.14 and the vapor production is amazing! No complaints here :D
 
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Hey Vlad, you got me exited for a moment... But that's Italian, sorry.

Well dang sorry, I guess that shows my ignorance of other languages. Good news is my package just landed in town. So unless USPS screws up again, which they have several times in the past. I'll be able to see how it is first hand tomorrow.
 

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My take so far on the SX Mini M is that it's built better and providing me with a much better more customizable vape than my VS DNA40. I'm loving it and it just looks and feels so good! It does run hotter than the DNA 40 so I'm keeping it between 375-400F. I've been running 28 gauge Temco NI200 single spaced coils at .11-.14 and the vapor production is amazing! No complaints here :D

Is it a better vape than the DNA 40?

Edit- Never mind I'll find out myself I just bought one. I told myself I would wait and now my wallet hates me but oh well!
 
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Is it a better vape than the DNA 40?

Edit- Never mind I'll find out myself I just bought one. I told myself I would wait and now my wallet hates me but oh well!

He answered your question in his original post:
"SX Mini M is that it's built better and providing me with a much better more customizable vape than my VS DNA40"
 

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I'm a long time DNA40 user. I will not get in to the intricacies of the DNA40 device(s) in this write-up. I will say that the DNA40 has served me very well; I've been using them since release back in October/November of 2014 on two different devices: The Protovapor XPV40, and the VaporFlask. I've been one of the lucky ones, in that I have never had to RMA a device and all three have well (as well as Evolv says they should) for me. No garbled screens, no odd "jumping" in resistance (as long as the connection is sound), no other issues.

I use the eLeaf Lemo exclusively, which has proven itself to be a great RBA/RTA for Ni200/temperature control. I have three of them, and the build I use is identical in all three: 8 wraps, 30AWG Ni200, tension wrapped around a M4 left-hand-thread machine screw on a jig. Details on my build are here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rta/601945-lemo-rta-build-pics-258.html#post15286114

With any temperature control build using Ni200, the connections throughout, top to bottom, left to right, must be 100% perfect. Everything needs to be tight, and any situation where connectivity might be hindered must be remediated. There is no room for error. You need current to flow absolutely perfectly from the mod up through your atty and to the coil. Nothing can be loose, no surfaces can be dirty, nothing. There is no messing around with this and I cannot emphasize this enough.

With all of that said, on to my first impressions of the SX Mini M Class.

I am loving this thing. I paid ~$220 for the Protovapor XPV, I paid $300 for the Vapor Flask, and I paid $200 (shipped) for the SX Mini M Class. This has been the cheapest device of the three mentioned, and in my (initial) opinion, it is the best.

  1. The screen is fantastic. Sharp, large, and displays all kinds of great, useful information.
  2. The menu and controls work great and make perfect sense once past the initial 10-15 minute learning curve.
  3. The build quality is amazing. This thing is heavy; and I like that. It's a freakin' rock and feels incredibly solid.
  4. This is probably the best looking device I own; and probably the best built as well.
  5. The vape quality, with and without temperature control, is phenomenal; and while I originally thought the "soft/standard/powerful/powerful+" options were a bit gimmicky, I'm figuring out just how beneficial these settings actually are.

A brief mention of the basics: The screen is fantastic, bright, large, and easily readable. Everything that I would ever want to know is right there. The menu system is simple and works well. You can tilt the device to change settings, or use the up/down buttons. On the main screen, the bottom button to adjust the initial power output (soft/standard/powerful/power+) works perfectly for me; and this is definitely a setting that should be easily accessible (more on that later). I love that I have 5 memory settings and can easily change those settings with a couple of button pushes.

On to the performance...
The SX Mini has been flawless in this respect, and this is what makes this device shine. Geez... this thing is good. I have no idea what is going on with that green board of circuits, chips, and solder pads, but whatever it is, it's working.

On all three of my Lemos, with the build mentioned above, the vape is fantastic. A couple of things to remember when using Temp Control:

The SX Mini requires some intelligence from the user when it comes to temp control... which I label as a plus. The DNA40 has some "features" that will attempt to sense when a new atomizer is installed, will try to refine down to the proper resistance if it's recently been fired or is at a different temp, etc. When you put on a new Ni200 topper on the SX Mini, hold both up/down buttons to lock in the new base resistance. When you do this, make sure that both the mod and the atty are at the same temperature; if the atty has recently been fired, let it cool down to room temperature for a few minutes. If the resistance seems a little too high; check connections, let the atty cool if it's recently been fired, and then hold the up/down buttons again to set the new baseline.

Joules vs Watts. I know there has been a lot of debate on this. I'm not sure what the difference is here and I won't speculate. All that I will say is, I set my "Joule" level on the SX Mini in Temp Control mode to the exact same wattage setting as my DNA40s. So far this has worked fine.

I have yet to hit temp control; the SX Mini appears to read a bit cooler or work a bit differently (?) than the DNA40s. With identical builds/configurations, I would typically hit TC on the DNA40 after around 5-6 seconds on a typical build with my go-to liquid (50/50 PG/VG). Not so on the SX Mini... even when not taking a pull, it's not hitting TC nor is it coming close. I have no idea how it's working, and I will not and cannot speculate. The only thing that I've noticed is that the temperature display on the screen is refreshing way faster than the DNA40, so maybe it's making adjustments at a much higher rate/speed with more anticipation based on the current conditions(?)

The new feature I'm loving is the initial power settings (soft/standard/powerful/powerful+) ... I am typically at standard, but when I freshly re-wick and fill a Lemo, it sometimes takes awhile for it to build up vacuum/wick efficiently. This is where the "soft" mode shines. It delivers the perfect amount of power to prime and vape, and basically "initialize" a newly filled device. Oh, and in the mornings; when taking that first vape and you don't want a head rush... :)

I'm going to wind down this initial impression now; and will continue to post my thoughts/views/opinions on the device as I move forward. I'm really looking forward to a Pbusardo review of this one, as I want to see what it's doing on the scope during temp control operations. It definitely works "differently" than the DNA40, and up to this point, based on the fantastic vape quality I'm getting from this thing, I know it's doing something different. In this case, different might be quite a bit better.
 

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He answered your question in his original post:
"SX Mini M is that it's built better and providing me with a much better more customizable vape than my VS DNA40"

That doesn't mean the vape is better and he is comparing the build to a Vapor Shark which IMO is not as high quality as a Hana Modz or Vapor Flask which I own.

It doesn't matter anyways now, I'll find out soon enough for myself.
 

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That doesn't mean the vape is better and he is comparing the build to a Vapor Shark which IMO is not as high quality as a Hana Modz or Vapor Flask which I own.

It doesn't matter anyways now, I'll find out soon enough for myself.

They all use the same DNA40 chip... the vape is going to be nearly identical on all three (VS, Hana, VF) regardless of build quality. That said, the SX Mini appears to be in a class of its own; it appears to work a bit differently. So far, I think the vape quality is better; my subjective opinion of course.
 
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