SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

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Retird, I pointed that out last night also but I don't believe anyone commented further. The hum seems to always be there at all joules levels but it is more pronounced at 50J or close to that. What I am concerned about is using such high joules levels and the related 50J pulses will put a heavy stress on a battery. Chain vaping at such high levels may be a safety hazard in my opinion. There will be some of us that may use inferior batteries in this SX mod and may get themselves in trouble.

I am finding more and more that I am liking the joules set between 14-20J for a pleasant vape and not needing or liking the higher settings that I was using just a few days ago on a regular basis. I am sure it is also safer too. JMHO

BTW... I think you may be in the 40 amp range when you are running at 50J.
For a quick reference...a .10 ohm coil, at 50watts/joules will be at 2.24volts, which comes out to 22.32amps.

I just used vapecalc for that, I don't know what extraneous factors or variables affect those numbers on a regulated device in TC mode
 

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For a quick reference...a .10 ohm coil, at 50watts/joules will be at 2.24volts, which comes out to 22.32amps.

I just used vapecalc for that, I don't know what extraneous factors or variables affect those numbers on a regulated device in TC mode

When I am firing my .122 resistance coil at 50J I see the voltage counter go as high as 4.24 volts. On vapecalc it shows 145.97 watts and using 34.59 amps. If I change the resistance to .08, which is in Yihi's stated range, and if it still uses 4.0 volts it goes to 50 amps. I don't have anything with such low resistance to see how many volts show up on the SX so that is only a guess. I am thinking this is one of the reasons why Yihi has limited the joules to 50J and even with the dual stack tube.
 

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It's not unusual to hear a small hum from a regulator working at high frequency, and it's not really a concern. The IPV3 has always done this, although I never heard anyone complain about it. Interesting enough, the IPV3 is only buck circuitry I believe (series SX330). I wonder if this hum is only present when using the buck regulation and not boost. That might answer why only some hear it. It might depend on your coil resistance, joules setting, and current battery level which would determine whether you're bucking or boosting. It might also only occur when rapidly switching between buck and boost during regulation. Either way I would doubt it's really an issue.

Re: the hum audio clip posted earlier. I think if you listen carefully while playing it backwards you will hear "Paul is dead". Might just be me. :)
 

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When I am firing my .122 resistance coil at 50J I see the voltage counter go as high as 4.24 volts. On vapecalc it shows 145.97 watts and using 34.59 amps. If I change the resistance to .08, which is in Yihi's stated range, and if it still uses 4.0 volts it goes to 50 amps. I don't have anything with such low resistance to see how many volts show up on the SX so that is only a guess. I am thinking this is one of the reasons why Yihi has limited the joules to 50J and even with the dual stack tube.

We can't really go off baseline resistance. Keep in mind, the resistance of nickel increases with heat. Your .122 Ohm coil at full temperature may be something closer to .3 Ohms. Maybe higher... At .3 Ohms, that's right around 60W / 14.13A, which is a bit more in line with the capabilities of this device. Although, it does state it has a max amp limit of 40A, which is pretty astounding.
 

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Re: the hum audio clip posted earlier. I think if you listen carefully while playing it backwards you will hear "Paul is dead". Might just be me. :)

If it does say that, it was completely unintentional :) I don't even know Paul! LoL

I seriously am about to load up the clip in audacity and play it backwards though, just cause you said that... LoL
 

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Wooosh. lol

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I'm not disagreeing with SI. I'm disagreeing with your interpretation of it.

You're interpretating j/s as "joules per second" and not as "joules divided by seconds" which is the correct SI way.

I said I didn't want to discuss this.

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That's pretty condescending. People come here to share and learn. Telling someone they are wrong and not pointing out where is rude and unacceptable. Saying "you're wrong but I don't want to discuss it" is BS.

I quite clearly and deliberately said in 2 previous posts that Watts was "Joules over Time" - deliberately so it wouldn't be confused as "per second" ... you even copied it..

If you don't want to discuss it, and don't want to take the time to politely explain where my error occurred, don't post back.

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Just one more thought on the noise and I done talking about it...

I spent a bit of time reviewing the video posted pages ago and found something interesting to me starting at about 10:40 into the video. Reviewer set the device to 50J with a 0.13 ohm coil set to 400F in Standard mode. He talks about the "heartbeat" (pulse noise") in this part of the video. I then went back and stopped the video at the 11 minute point and verified the readings while firing.

It shows 50J, 0.13 ohms, Standard Mode, 4 volts., 400F..and significant sag in the battery meter........... Using ohm's calculator, if my calculations are correct that's 30 amps or 123 watts.... remember the "heartbeat".. he says it is more pronounced at higher joules setting and not as smooth a sound..... I think this is important.... just my 2 cents...does this sound about right or am I off in the weeds....?

Is this the "coil whine" you refer to?

Nite all..... hope ECF gets the conversion done without issue...

This might be an over-simplification, but this is how I would explain it from a lay perspective: An inductor is a device that stores energy in a magnetic field based on the stable movement of current. When the current is not stable (e.g., it increases, decreases, reverses), the magnetic field seeks to resist that change. The greater the size of the change in current, the more the magnetic field seeks to resist that change and accordingly the greater the impact on the magnetic field. So when you're using PWM (as TC does) the more you increase the power, the greater that disturbance to the magnetic field is going to be, and it's the oscillation of the magnetic field that causes the wires in an inductor to audibly shake (assuming coil noise is the problem).
 

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So now I'm trying 30G Ti, 7 wraps, .44 ohms, 290 degrees. It doesn't heat up nearly as much and it's a nice vape but I swear it tastes a little soapy (and I only used alcohol to clean the wire).


I do like this device and technology and I'm going to try some new builds including a nickel/kanthal twisted coil.

Thanks everyone for your posts and insights on this thread. Nice stuff.

Soapy might be an indication of not enough heat. 290F is almost 100F below PG's vaporization point, and VG is even higher than that. Crank up the temp limit to 400+ and see what happens with the flavor, disregard the warmth.

What's your normal build on an Erl? Ohms and wattage and wire gauge? If you were high resistance, low wattage vaping before, it could take some time to get used to a warmer vape (and running an Erl at 400-450 is barely warm enough for some of us!)
 

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After day 1 with my new sx mini i have to say this mod is fantastic. The temp control is great my liquid has never tasted so good and consistent, its a complex flavor that was always good but now i really can taste all the flavors. Anyone that's on the fence get it you wont regret it and i have not touched any of my other mods dont know if that's good or bad. Using the smok gimlet and the ohms have held true all day so it seems to be a good tank so far.
 

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This might be an over-simplification, but this is how I would explain it from a lay perspective: An inductor is a device that stores energy in a magnetic field based on the stable movement of current. When the current is not stable (e.g., it increases, decreases, reverses), the magnetic field seeks to resist that change. The greater the size of the change in current, the more the magnetic field seeks to resist that change and accordingly the greater the impact on the magnetic field. So when you're using PWM (as TC does) the more you increase the power, the greater that disturbance to the magnetic field is going to be, and it's the oscillation of the magnetic field that causes the wires in an inductor to audibly shake (assuming coil noise is the problem).

Was what I was thinking also... and the battery sag?
 

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I remember when the 1st release SXmini S was released, there was an issue with the device not being able to reach it's maximum voltage output of 9.5v. YiHi soon came out with a firmware update that addressed it. That's the nice thing about a user-upgradable board. :) More than likely, there will be one along to address the buzzing reported on the M Class, if YiHi warrants it necessary..
 
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I remember when the 1st release SXmini S was released, there was an issue with the device not being able to reach it's maximum voltage output of 9.5v. YiHi soon came out with a firmware update that addressed it. That's the nice thing about a user-upgradable board. :) More than likely, there will be one along to address the buzzing reported on the M Class, if YiHi warrants it necessary..
Two ways I know of (there may be more) to prevent an inductor for buzzing are:
1) To physically stabilize it, especially if it is laminated.
2) To reduce the frequency at which it cycles.
The second remedy could be implemented via software.
Based upon Vlad's scope results and dams audio file it seems that it is cycling at 60hz.
 
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