SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

[2legsshrt]

The links you gave didn't support your attribution to Yihi regarding USB charging. Thus, the only conclusion that can be made so far is that you're asserting your opinion as if it is YiHi's. As to what they recommend, I leave that to the manual, which someone else has already posted. Also, as to what constitutes a passthrough, it's generally the feature not the exact function that matters. So long as the device can be used while charging, this is often referred to as USB passthrough. Should you need convincing on that, just do a google search of any popular recent mod (e.g., istick) along with the term "USB passthrough" and you'll see that is the case.



The ability to use the device while charging is listed as a feature (or capability if one prefers) in the manual. As to the rest of your hyperbole, such a failure would be due to using a defective battery. The charging feature itself, however, is unlikely to cause any thermal runaway, as it is below 0.5 A.

A true pass thru was a device back in the 08-09 era that screwed on your cigalike type of device in place of the battery so you could vape with out a battery. That way you could vape and not use your battery up. It was a handy little device since the batteries then were only good for about 2-3hrs so if you didn't mind being tethered to your computer or wall socket you could vape away to your hearts content on your tea bag carto. And you weren't vaping something that can possible pull 20 or more amps.

 

[BNEAT]

If the USB was only meant for data transfer, then why do they have it hooked up to the battery?

 

[Vlad1]

A true pass thru was a device back in the 08-09 era that screwed on your cigalike type of device in place of the battery so you could vape with out a battery. That way you could vape and not use your battery up. It was a handy little device since the batteries then were only good for about 2-3hrs so if you didn't mind being tethered to your computer or wall socket you could vape away to your hearts content on your tea bag carto. And you weren't vaping something that can possible pull 20 or more amps.

Yes in the truest sense your correct. Yozhik discussed the usage of the terminology earlier. Pretty much impossible to do with the low Ohm attys and power that we use in today's world of vaping.

Also, as to what constitutes a passthrough, it's generally the feature not the exact function that matters. So long as the device can be used while charging, this is often referred to as USB passthrough. Should you need convincing on that, just do a google search of any popular recent mod (e.g., iStick) along with the term "USB passthrough" and you'll see that is the case.

 

[dannyben]

I think if you would simply provide substantiating links to the statements you make on behalf of Yihi when asked the topic would be closed. I've not seen that you have done that. I've read the manual and spec's on several occasions and do not see any reference to your assertion of using the device as "Passthrough while charging" is not advised, dangerous or anything else for that matter. So if I've overlooked that statement in the links you provide please do do us all a favor and take a capture of that for everyone's benefit.



And please only provide the requested information where does Yihi state "No and especially at high wattage. Yihi strongly recommends that you do not" so this will not go on forever in a circle. I will answer your question and link you to a couple vendors you requested stating that they can be used to "simultaneous firing and charging". "Passthrough" The original question was not about the warranty of the USB or durability etc...

YIHI SX MINI M CLASS
SX Mini M Class 60 Watt Box Mod by YiHi

Why would they put it in the manual if it is NOT a feature they even offer. Do they write in the manual not to use the device in the shower? While you go Scuba diving? Does that mean you can too and it is safe?

LOL...I asked for authorized delaers, but even the link you gave says " that he will take NO RESPONSIBILITY or be liable for any type of BODILY INJURY..... and i'll bet you ANYTHING if you link him to this post he will QUICKLY remove his erroneous statement.

I also read on the internet that Mikey died from eating pop rocks. Does that make it true?

You really are too much. You are asking to prove a negative. You have the manual. You have YiHi's website. No where does Yihi state that this device has a pass-through feature. PLEASE PROVE THE REQUESTED INFORMATION WHERE YIHI STATES THAT IT DOES.

Do whatever you want to do. Its your device and your life.

 

[Vlad1]

Why would they put it in the manual if it is NOT a feature they even offer. Do they write in the manual not to use the device in the shower? While you go Scuba diving? Does that mean you can too and it is safe?

LOL...I asked for authorized delaers, but even the link you gave says " that he will take NO RESPONSIBILITY or be liable for any type of BODILY INJURY..... and i'll bet you ANYTHING if you link him to this post he will QUICKLY remove his erroneous statement.

I also read on the internet that Mikey died from eating pop rocks. Does that make it true?

You really are too much. You are asking to prove a negative. You have the manual. You have YiHi's website. No where does Yihi state that this device has a pass-through feature. PLEASE PROVE THE REQUESTED INFORMATION WHERE YIHI STATES THAT IT DOES.

Do whatever you want to do. Its your device and your life.

Please provide your links, screen shots or whatever you have to support your statement. I've answered your question and provided you with two links to vendors that state the opposite of what you claim. I'm not going through answering your questions again and again. I'm simply asking that you provide the information that substantiates your claim.

 

[dannyben]

Please provide your links, screen shots or whatever you have to support your statement. I've answered your question and provided you with two links to vendors that state the opposite of what you claim. I'm not going through answering your questions again and again. I'm simply asking that you provide the information that substantiates your claim.

Not only have you not answered my question nor shown any evidence from YiHi or an AUTHORIZED dealer that this device has the pass-though feature, but the link you provided states the following:

Product Recommendations:

• Both Batteries Must Be Inserted Positive Side Towards the 510!

Perhaps he has a special unit that i've never seen or head about, but the only SXmini's that i know about only can fit a single battery.
He also lists his units as going up to 60J. Is mine defective? Or does he have special units that no one else has and thats why his price is 5% higher then everyone else.

They sound very creditable to me. Keep up the good work and providing incorrect information to users.

 

[Vlad1]

Not only have you not answered my question nor shown any evidence from YiHi or an AUTHORIZED dealer that this device has the pass-though feature, but the link you provided states the following:

Product Recommendations:

• Both Batteries Must Be Inserted Positive Side Towards the 510!

Perhaps he has a special unit that i've never seen or head about, but the only SXmini's that i know about only can fit a single battery.

They sound very creditable to me. Keep up the good work and providing incorrect information to users.

Again you have not provided anything to substantiate your claim. I haven't stated anything to you that I need to answer for. I've merely answered your questions and provided you with links per you're request. Now answer mine.

Where does Yihi state "No and especially at high wattage. Yihi strongly recommends that you do not" that you assert as fact?

Both Wetvapes.com YIHI SX MINI M CLASS and Vapordna.com SX Mini M Class 60 Watt Box Mod by YiHi state the opposite of what you do.

A conveniently placed Micro-USB charging port allows for simultaneous firing and charging.

 

[2legsshrt]

If the USB was only meant for data transfer, then why do they have it hooked up to the battery?

I think it was put in there strictly as a convenience. But what are the chances you'll be somewhere and your battery goes dead, you don't have another but you just happen to have your USB cord in your pocket. I did use it several times on my S but I would just put it on overnite and it did charge the battery but I don't use it anymore. I don't want to take the chance on screwing up the best mod I have ever owned. One thing I don't like is when they put updates up you have to have WinZip or some such program to take care of a RAR file.

 

[Bikenstein]

My Delta 2 reads check atomizer on my VaporShark. It will work on the istick 50's and 30s and the SX Mini. Change the coil and it will read the new one. Factory .5 coil. What's up?

 

[wrice4]

So I emailed Varitube, who I got it from, and who also does mostly all of YIHI warranty work, and this is the short version of the conversation:


From: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:48 AM
To: sales@varitube.com
Subject: re: Sx mini


Quick question. Big debate on the forums right now on using the usb to charge the sx mini. People are saying that it's not meant to be charged through it, and it's only warranties for 3 months. What is your take on charging via usb?

From: "sales@varitube.com" <sales@varitube.com>
Date: May 6, 2015 10:55 AM
Subject: re: Sx mini
To: xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc:

They are recommending to change batteries just because the experience on the S class were too many busted USBs. I use it when I'm sitting in front of the TV or in the car but other than that I change the Batteries.


If you're careful it won't break. Being into RC you know how some people insist on just pushing harder when 2 plugs are being plugged....instead of checking the alignment.....thats what happens here. On the M class they opened up the mouth a hair so it slides in a little easier but still people being people will just shove it...if its upside down push harder yet...then flip it jam it in again, etc.


The real answer is with a little care its fine to use. People never want to blame themselves but when properly aligned it slides right on in fine


So YiHi said hey we can't replace every broken USB and in this case its part of the main board so that means the entire board so short warranty. And of course the main benefit of that USB is to be able to upgrade the chip and take bug fixes.

 

[Jazzman]

Not only have you not answered my question nor shown any evidence from YiHi or an AUTHORIZED dealer that this device has the pass-though feature, but the link you provided states the following:

Product Recommendations:

• Both Batteries Must Be Inserted Positive Side Towards the 510!

Perhaps he has a special unit that i've never seen or head about, but the only SXmini's that i know about only can fit a single battery.
He also lists his units as going up to 60J. Is mine defective? Or does he have special units that no one else has and thats why his price is 5% higher then everyone else.

They sound very creditable to me. Keep up the good work and providing incorrect information to users.

Danny, your credibility is in question here. Every SX Mini M Class can run 2 batteries with the YiHi extension tube. And yes, as described, both batteries have a specified orientation so the unit can be used in series battery mode. Commonly referred to as "Battleaxe" mode. This is a YiHi authorized and supported mode of operation. Please do a bit more research and you will find this is not only normal, but a nice benefit for achieving a higher wattage level in power mode for the device.

The device will safely charge the single battery through the USB charger, it's why the charger was included in the design. While it's only 450ma that is not a concern for many of us and in fact, the SX Mini will charge a single battery at that charge rate faster than a iStick 50 will charge its 2 batteries (and I don't hear people complaining much about the iStick). The reason I suspect that YiHi has a warning about charging through the USB is so people don't abuse the USB port and damage it through misuse. The USB connection is actually high quality and is not something that will wear out during normal use. The issue is that the USB charge board (and consequently the port) is connected directly to the main board and is not a separate board. That means if you damage the charge board the remedy would be to replace the entire SX350J board and not just the charge board as in previous SX products. But that does not mean it is not safe or desirable to charge through the USB port. It just means if you abuse the port to the point of damage it will require a new SX board for repair.

As far as simultaneous charging and vaping? Many call this Pass-through, all though that is not really what is happening as others have posted, it is just a separate charging circuit charging while another circuit (the main SX board) is handling the vaping part. These 2 circuits are not interdependent, they operate separately. This is also safe to do and works like previous YiHi chips in that if the battery is too low to fire the load being asked for, even while charging, you will get a low battery warning and the mod will refuse to fire. In no way is the safety of the device compromised by vaping and charging, the same safety protections that exist while firing during non-charging use are still in operation while charging.

YiHi has always supplied excellent safety features in their boards and the SX350J is no exception. While you may feel the potential of damage through abuse of the USB port warrants you not using it at all many of us accept the risk and exercise proper caution for using the onboard charging feature without worry. But, this has never been about the device not being safe, it is a warning from YiHi that gross mishandling could damage the USB port requiring a more costly repair than just the USB charging board since it is not a separate replaceable unit.

 

[wrice4]

Danny, your credibility is in question here. Every SX Mini M Class can run 2 batteries with the YiHi extension tube. And yes, as described, both batteries have a specified orientation so the unit can be used in series battery mode. Commonly referred to as "Battleaxe" mode. This is a YiHi authorized and supported mode of operation. Please do a bit more research and you will find this is not only normal, but a nice benefit for achieving a higher wattage level in power mode for the device.

The device will safely charge the single battery through the USB charger, it's why the charger was included in the design. While it's only 450ma that is not a concern for many of us and in fact, the SX Mini will charge a single battery at that charge rate faster than a iStick 50 will charge its 2 batteries (and I don't hear people complaining much about the iStick). The reason I suspect that YiHi has a warning about charging through the USB is so people don't abuse the USB port and damage it through misuse. The USB connection is actually high quality and is not something that will wear out during normal use. The issue is that the USB charge board (and consequently the port) is connected directly to the main board and is not a separate board. That means if you damage the charge board the remedy would be to replace the entire SX350J board and not just the charge board as in previous SX products. But that does not mean it is not safe or desirable to charge through the USB port. It just means if you abuse the port to the point of damage it will require a new SX board for repair.

As far as simultaneous charging and vaping? Many call this Pass-through, all though that is not really what is happening as others have posted, it is just a separate charging circuit charging while another circuit (the main SX board) is handling the vaping part. These 2 circuits are not interdependent, they operate separately. This is also safe to do and works like previous YiHi chips in that if the battery is too low to fire the load being asked for, even while charging, you will get a low battery warning and the mod will refuse to fire. In no way is the safety of the device compromised by vaping and charging, the same safety protections that exist while firing during non-charging use are still in operation while charging.

YiHi has always supplied excellent safety features in their boards and the SX350J is no exception. While you may feel the potential of damage through abuse of the USB port warrants you not using it at all many of us accept the risk and exercise proper caution for using the onboard charging feature without worry. But, this has never been about the device not being safe, it is a warning from YiHi that gross mishandling could damage the USB port requiring a more costly repair than just the USB charging board since it is not a separate replaceable unit.

And thats exactly what the varitube owner said in my above post, above yours. Good post.

 

[Bikenstein]

I assumed the above before mine came in the mail. That's why I only charge with the port. It is a quality piece as you can tell by the fit of the cable and if not abused I believe it will last as well or better than any.

 

[dannyben]

Danny, your credibility is in question here. Every SX Mini M Class can run 2 batteries with the YiHi extension tube. And yes, as described, both batteries have a specified orientation so the unit can be used in series battery mode. Commonly referred to as "Battleaxe" mode. This is a YiHi authorized and supported mode of operation. Please do a bit more research and you will find this is not only normal, but a nice benefit for achieving a higher wattage level in power mode for the device.

The device will safely charge the single battery through the USB charger, it's why the charger was included in the design. While it's only 450ma that is not a concern for many of us and in fact, the SX Mini will charge a single battery at that charge rate faster than a iStick 50 will charge its 2 batteries (and I don't hear people complaining much about the iStick). The reason I suspect that YiHi has a warning about charging through the USB is so people don't abuse the USB port and damage it through misuse. The USB connection is actually high quality and is not something that will wear out during normal use. The issue is that the USB charge board (and consequently the port) is connected directly to the main board and is not a separate board. That means if you damage the charge board the remedy would be to replace the entire SX350J board and not just the charge board as in previous SX products. But that does not mean it is not safe or desirable to charge through the USB port. It just means if you abuse the port to the point of damage it will require a new SX board for repair.

As far as simultaneous charging and vaping? Many call this Pass-through, all though that is not really what is happening as others have posted, it is just a separate charging circuit charging while another circuit (the main SX board) is handling the vaping part. These 2 circuits are not interdependent, they operate separately. This is also safe to do and works like previous YiHi chips in that if the battery is too low to fire the load being asked for, even while charging, you will get a low battery warning and the mod will refuse to fire. In no way is the safety of the device compromised by vaping and charging, the same safety protections that exist while firing during non-charging use are still in operation while charging.

YiHi has always supplied excellent safety features in their boards and the SX350J is no exception. While you may feel the potential of damage through abuse of the USB port warrants you not using it at all many of us accept the risk and exercise proper caution for using the onboard charging feature without worry. But, this has never been about the device not being safe, it is a warning from YiHi that gross mishandling could damage the USB port requiring a more costly repair than just the USB charging board since it is not a separate replaceable unit.

And thats exactly what the varitube owner said in my above post, above yours. Good post.

I am sorry, but did you bother to read my post?

The links provided are not from varitube or any of the AUTHORIZED yihi dealers. BOTH links have the same EXACT heading which they OBVIOUSLY cut & pasted and did NOT come from yihi.

The question is not about whether the unit can be charged through the USB port. Yes of course it can and it has a 450mAh charging rate. The question here is if the unit supports pass-though feature and if it is safe to do so and if yihi advises to. And again...varitube, vapro, ginger vaper, coval and yeti, and MOST importantly YIHI does not have this feature listed. The site the "know it all" provided has MANY errors in it. He is not describing the sxtube and nowhere on his page does he even mention it. it is a misprint as he has taken specs and simply cut/pasted. He also lists his device as 60J. Does yours go to 60J? So his listing is obviously WRONG.

I am glad you think my credibility is in question. The difference here is I ONLY post facts that I am 100% sure of. You can jump all over me as much as you want to, but yet there is not ONE single bit of proof from YIHI that my claim is inaccurate.....as there WONT be as it is directly from yihi. You just want to be heard and have ZERO creditability to your statement. Descibing how you'd like the device to operate rather then how yihi states the device operates.

@wrice4 wrote varituve about the charging... have him write re: the pass-through. Write yihi. write vapro, ginger vaper, coval and/or yeti.

Regardless.... i am done here. Congrats. All i have provided is useful and accurate information. this thread has gone to shame and there is pages and pages of junk. of misinformation. of talk not even related to this product. it is supposed to be a place to come to talk about your great purchase and to help others with question or concerns as well as potential buyers looks for help/answers. Instead it is a place for people who were yelled at as children, not allowed to speak and think they are always right.

I am done contributing. Good luck.

 

[Bikenstein]

I have one of those "special" units that can hold 2 batteries..

 

[derogg]

This is as good as Saturdays bout.

 

[wrice4]

I am sorry, but did you bother to read my post?

The links provided are not from varitube or any of the AUTHORIZED yihi dealers. BOTH links have the same EXACT heading which they OBVIOUSLY cut & pasted and did NOT come from yihi.

The question is not about whether the unit can be charged through the USB port. Yes of course it can and it has a 450mAh charging rate. The question here is if the unit supports pass-though feature and if it is safe to do so and if yihi advises to. And again...varitube, vapro, ginger vaper, coval and yeti, and MOST importantly YIHI does not have this feature listed. The site the "know it all" provided has MANY errors in it. He is not describing the sxtube and nowhere on his page does he even mention it. it is a misprint as he has taken specs and simply cut/pasted. He also lists his device as 60J. Does yours go to 60J? So his listing is obviously WRONG.

I am glad you think my credibility is in question. The difference here is I ONLY post facts that I am 100% sure of. You can jump all over me as much as you want to, but yet there is not ONE single bit of proof from YIHI that my claim is inaccurate.....as there WONT be as it is directly from yihi. You just want to be heard and have ZERO creditability to your statement. Descibing how you'd like the device to operate rather then how yihi states the device operates.

@wrice4 wrote varituve about the charging... have him write re: the pass-through. Write yihi. write vapro, ginger vaper, coval and/or yeti.

Regardless.... i am done here. Congrats. All i have provided is useful and accurate information. this thread has gone to shame and there is pages and pages of junk. of misinformation. of talk not even related to this product. it is supposed to be a place to come to talk about your great purchase and to help others with question or concerns as well as potential buyers looks for help/answers. Instead it is a place for people who were yelled at as children, not allowed to speak and think they are always right.

I am done contributing. Good luck.

For the record I wasn't arguing, just posting what varitube said, about usb charging. I asked him since he does most of the the Yihi warranty work and figured he would know more than I do, about the do's and don't on what you should and shouldnt do, and on warranty work.

I emailed him again about the pass through and this is what he said.


From: "sales@varitube.com" <sales@varitube.com>
Date: May 6, 2015 11:42 AM
Subject: re: Sx mini
To: xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc:

"you can charge and vape so long as the battery has enough life in it. The USB does NOT power the OUT to the atty....the battery does"





So technically speaking this device is not "pass through" as the charging voltage does not go directly to the atty. With that being said it is safe to vape and charge at the same time.

 

[Bikenstein]

Thanks for your contributions Danny. I found several helpful. Weren't all kids yelled at? I think the ones that think they're always right are the ones who were allowed to speak as they pleased.

 

[BNEAT]

All I've got to say is that if you push the "fire" button and it makes vapor, then it BETTER be safe to do so, whether the thing is plugged in or not!

 

[dannyben]

This is as good as Saturdays bout.

Did we watch the same bout?
And im not making 180m or 120m for my entertainment.

I have one of those "special" units that can hold 2 batteries..

But do you have v1.5 of the firmware making the device 75W/150W?

Thanks for your contributions Danny. I think the ones that think they're always right are the ones who were allowed to speak as they pleased.

Spot on! And they are trying to make up for it now.

For the record I wasn't arguing, just posting what varitube said, about usb charging. I asked him since he does most of the the Yihi warranty work and figured he would know more than I do, about the do's and don't on what you should and shouldnt do, and on warranty work.

"you can charge and vape so long as the battery has enough life in it. The USB does NOT power the OUT to the atty....the battery does"

I wasn't mentioning you. You actually did the smart and educated thing. Wanted an answer to conflicting statements and inquired. However, he only does HIS warranty work for the units he sells. Vapro does the warranty work for "unauthorized" dealers and each authorized dealer does/handles the warranty work for the units they sell.

regarding his reply.... no, the USB does NOT power the OUT to the atty...the battery does. But the USB is powering the battery while the battery is powering the atty. and that is what makes in dangerous. Think of pulling your car into the gas station. Do you leave your engine on while you fill up with gas or do you shut if off? You could be asking the battery to supply you with up to 20+ or 30+ A while there is power going into it.

Many of the batteries being sold today are just rewraps (efest) or fakes (most sonys) and you are essentially putting you own safety in them as you hit that fire button up to your face. So....dont take me advice if you do not want to and if you prefer to not listen to the manufacturer, i hope you are listening to someone with a very good insurance policy and umbrella.