SXmini M Class (TEMP CONTROL)

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Oh god! Thank you! The manual say 0.05-0.3 and recommends 0.065 for the best performance. But it is based on the Ni200


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An ohm limit or recommendation is agnostic of wire type. The limit or recommendation has to do with what the electronics can deal with...effectively and efficiently.
 

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An ohm limit or recommendation is agnostic of wire type. The limit or recommendation has to do with what the electronics can deal with...effectively and efficiently.
Ideally this should be the case. However the manual states on p. 7 that "SX350j is based on the Ni200 wire when using temp control"


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Ideally this should be the case. However the manual states on p. 7 that "SX350j is based on the Ni200 wire when using temp control"

I have used Ti wrapped to get a .58 resistance. Great vape on my SXM M class.
Go for it, the problem with SS is getting the correct TCR value. You have to know what grade SS it is, 304, 316, 317, 420, etc.
 

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I have used Ti wrapped to get a .58 resistance. Great vape on my SXM M class.
Go for it, the problem with SS is getting the correct TCR value. You have to know what grade SS it is, 304, 316, 317, 420, etc.
It's 316


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SS sounds to me like a PITA. I'm just going to stick to Ti. Works great everytime.
It's really not, but if you're happy with the Ti you're using, nothing wrong with that.

For me Ti is much more of a pita, having to clean it before wrapping a coil, then being careful not to heat it up too much, not to mention how springy it is.

That's the beauty of building our own coils, and having great mods with options to use different wires, we can do whatever works best for us.
 

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After trying it for sometime, so far it seems like a huge headache just for the sake of avoiding dry hits. Of course this is my first attempt with TC and I'm sure things will get better over time. The SS spaced coil @ 0.38 build worked OK ...except for lots of spitting..and it seems to work better at lower joules (20-25 J)..took me some experimenting to nail down the temperature that I want my vape to be in (I liked it lukewarm but it loses flavor that way). I will give it a try with a contact coil and see if it gets better.

Thank you guys for all your help!
 
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Avoid those China Ti wires as they are covered with machine oils and other contaminations.


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Actually SS was very easy to build and the SS coil was the easiest coil to have installed on my Rose V2 (which is a real PITA to build). The challenge I'm facing is to adjust the various variables involved to get the vape I want.
 

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Avoid those China Ti wires as they are covered with machine oils and other contaminations.


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Yeah I decided just to stay with Unkamen. It's a little large for 26 at .42 but all I use is Kanger STM's and it works great in there. Catches perfectly and using a coilmaster very easy to wrap. I don't use any fancy coils just 5 wrap 3mm.
 

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After trying it for sometime, so far it seems like a huge headache just for the sake of avoiding dry hits. Of course this is my first attempt with TC and I'm sure things will get better over time. The SS spaced coil @ 0.38 build worked OK ...except for lots of spitting..and it seems to work better at lower joules (20-25 J)..took me some experimenting to nail down the temperature that I want my vape to be in (I liked it lukewarm but it loses flavor that way). I will give it a try with a contact coil and see if it gets better.

Thank you guys for all your help!
I love TC all I use now I'm getting worried whether the new stuff will be around. We go shot down in the government and want to roll us back to 2007. Might be hard to come by. I am not really worried for me but it could be a hassle for a lot of folks. With all that is going on in the world seems like their time could be better spents elsewhere.
 

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I wouldn't get too discouraged about the CR getting taken out of that atrocious Omnibus bill yesterday. It was the wrong bill to try to slide a rider in on, since it was the biggest bill of the year in regards to special interests and political wrangling, too many eyes on it, too much pork to distribute. It'll get attached again on a lower profile bill next year with hopefully better results. And lets not forget we've got two years to straighten it out if/when the FDA Deeming regs go into effect. Serious business, that should be dealt with as soon as possible, but the effects won't be immediate.
 

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Actually SS was very easy to build and the SS coil was the easiest coil to have installed on my Rose V2 (which is a real PITA to build). The challenge I'm facing is to adjust the various variables involved to get the vape I want.

@JimScotty0 posted a quite a while back an approach that works well for setup and is worth re-posting. The video is informative as well, have a look.

Nic_fix, give this method a try... He at first sets the Joules low and then works his way up. I do it a little different but similar.

My current coil that I am using right now is baselined out at .090 on my Lemo 2. I am now setting my Joules to only 8J on Standard mode and set my temp somewhere high depending on the ejuice. With VG I am finding that I have to go about 30-40F higher than a lower VG ratio. YMMV. So I might start out at say 530F. I then fire it watching it rise up to what it wants to level out to so I can get an idea of where things like to play out. If you hold down the fire button even longer it will start to creep up even more, but I am looking for that First Plateau that it settles down on at first which may only last about a second. I am doing this while just watching the mod and not vaping and trying to look at it with a mirror. That might actually work better but it is too inconvenient for me. lol

With the ejuice I am using now, which is high VG, I hit 480F where it seems to stabilize out even though my temp is set to 530F. I have found no good reason to go above the 480F with my current build since the ejuice doesn't seem to vaporize any better above that. Believe me I have tried. It just seems to waste ejuice turning into a gas rather than a vapor. So I then bring down my temp to 480F and start bringing up the joules to where the temperature doesn't jump around too much while watching the temp and adjusting the Joules. Repeating it again and again. If you set the joules too high the temp may jump as much as 50F higher than what you have it set at and it is bouncing all around trying to keep it at your temp even though you are giving it more power than it needs. I can guarantee you if you set it at 50J you will see the temp going crazy and not very stable at all. Too high a Joules setting and you are just having your mod have a fight with itself so to speak.

At a good joules setting I find that it may just hit the temp mark you set or maybe just jump about 4-6F at most more than your setting. In my current build I hit it at 21J. Once you see that you are reaching the optimum temperature and just the right amount of joules you will get the best vaporization of your ejuice. You can then set the mode to Soft, Powerful, Powerful + or just keep it on the Standard mode depending on your style or mood. That is just the ramp up or down and for your personal preference and only used for the first 2 seconds of your vape. With this technique I am finding great cloud production and able to distinctly enjoy all aspects of the flavor. Just an awesome experience IMHO.

I have also done this technique with my Delta II RBA and the Kanger Subtank Mini with RBA or with the Prebuilt Nickel coils. My experience has found that depending on the resistance of the coil, the build type, the resistance of the atty itself, and the ejuice, the numbers may play out to be much different. My temp settings have settled in anywhere from 380F to 540F depending on the combination of the variables. I am finding that the actual value in temperature may or may not be accurate in real world terms, but it is a constant with the same tank, build, wicking, ejuice, etc. There are just too many variables to just make a statement of which is the right number for me and every build or coil is potentially different. It is not a sleep number bed type of deal. lol :thumbs:

We are all learning how to use this technology and it is what it is which is not perfect. But if we can learn to use the tech to our advantage we may achieve our goals. In my case I want it safe, big clouds, and lots of flavor.

I am curious to see if anyone else has tried or can try this technique and see if their results are as promising as I have had. If someone else has had some other technique to find those magic numbers please share it so we can all learn and enjoy from it. :party:
I know, tell me, I must have OCD right? :rickroll:
 

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@JimScotty0 posted a quite a while back an approach that works well for setup and is worth re-posting. The video is informative as well, have a look.
Ha ha, that does bring back memories in those early days of TC learning. [emoji106]

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Ha ha, that does bring back memories in those early days of TC learning. [emoji106]

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Indeed, took me a few to find that post searching for Buttkickers resulted in 0 Results. Would be nice to have a singular thread with nothing but Tech info and Tips like that.
 

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After trying it for sometime, so far it seems like a huge headache just for the sake of avoiding dry hits. Of course this is my first attempt with TC and I'm sure things will get better over time. The SS spaced coil @ 0.38 build worked OK ...except for lots of spitting..and it seems to work better at lower joules (20-25 J)..took me some experimenting to nail down the temperature that I want my vape to be in (I liked it lukewarm but it loses flavor that way). I will give it a try with a contact coil and see if it gets better.

Thank you guys for all your help!

Temperature limiting is about a lot more than avoding dry hits. It allows avoiding harmful compounds being formed in the vapor because of excessive temperatures, allows control of temperatures that can cause change in flavor and extends the life of coils and wicks by minimizing "crud" build up and wick degredation.

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@JimScotty0 posted a quite a while back an approach that works well for setup and is worth re-posting. The video is informative as well, have a look.

Thank you..this is very informative..now I have a much smoother vape thanks to this..the only thing annoying me is the spitting though
 
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