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Anyone keeping score? Looks like the neck beards are in the lead.
Anyone keeping score? Looks like the neck beards are in the lead.
TC: Any reason against it?
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Loads of reasons
It's a pain setting up
The inconsistency how it works from one device to another
The fact it only works in a fashion with some devices
The fact that they have a nerve even having TC on other devices because it doesn't work at all
The fact i have done both and i know about 4 others (not forums in the flesh) that have done both and we all just use power modes now basically because we all came to the conclusion TC was **** in our opinions i have met nobody outside of forums that rate TC at all.
I hear all the arguments for TC, no dry hits burn't hits etc but i never get dry hits or burn't hits using power mode.
I find it very interesting in an interview about replay when it was mentioned at Evolv they were discussing amongst themselves why none of them used or could be bothered using TC and the answer seemed to be they found it a pain in the .... for no real benefit. And that's the Evolv staff even when the reviewers with the data charts for temp control are talking about them they are doing so while vaping in power mode.
People are not stupid and if TC was so great that's how people would vape, those that use it and like it great for them.
There's only one thing I can agree with above post... A lot of ....ty mods advertise TC that is useless on them. However, it's overemphasized in the post. I have 2 cheap under 30$ mods and both work great. You don't even need a DNA chip to use it. It requires just a tiny bit more understanding of how it works. Wanted to compare it with manual and automatic gears in a car but even that difference is too large in my opinion.
And will only get better. TC is here to stay and improve. Wouldn't even be surprised if it becomes required by law like TPD.
And will only get better. TC is here to stay and improve. Wouldn't even be surprised if it becomes required by law like TPD.
Odd how I don't have a problem setting it up, even on mods that are supposed to not do it right. It's a pain for you, not me.
I had one mod that claimed curve was TC, much like someone who questioned my abilities. And a mod that had real TC but for some reason just wouldn't always apply the same power.
So should people who want to try TC listen to those who tried it but found it a pain to set up or should they listen to those who have no problem setting it up?
And why do you have such a problem with those who can do something teaching how to do it?
It doesn't matter if you have no problem burning a wick pocket firing or getting dry hits. How many posts from others are there about those problems? You do not represent everyone on the face of the Earth just like me using TC exclusively doesn't represent your tastes.
If I didn't have TC I may as well go back to MTL gennies (the real gennies not what newbs call gennies). I don't do well with burn and science says unless you limit the temperature you are getting aldehydes.
So basically you're saying the people from Evolv are scamming everyone by making a product they don't believe it but hype beyond belief because they know it sells? Or maybe they are just hyping a new thing to sell.
If you think people are not stupid you haven't worked retail or paid attention to the stuff people believe from politicians.
And basically if you think telling people who TC works is ramming it down throats, all your posts here are trying to ram your way down other people's throats who want to try TC but shouldn't because you don't like it.
If you don't find it a pain to set up good for you and if anyone likes and prefers TC that's fine by me but to the question to are there any downsides you said
"No there is no significant downside to TC."
Which is a fair enough answer because it's your point of view and others would agree but that statement was made in a response to me. So i merely pointed out my opinion which i am just as entitled as you of reasons against it. You and many others won't and don't have to agree with me but many would else why are so few people using TC and why so many who have used it have gone back to using power mode.
When it comes to Evolve i simply stated a fact in an interview between Brandon and Daniel it was discussed why people don't use TC and it was mentioned the same question was asked to the staff of which most don't use it. I just am repeating what was said in an interview, not accusing, implying, or anything simply saying what was said. But the answer did come out as it was a pain to use.
I suspect the interview you are talking about and took out of context, he didn't say no Evolv workers use TC. Of DNA users including Evolv workers 10% use TC all the time, 20% use it some of the time. He did not say they only surveyed Evolv employees.
What he focused on was the volatilization temperatures of flavors. His solution for that is replaying TC. Maybe Replay works with power (it doesn't sound like it does) but what he says is it uses TC wires.
He also said before Replay he was a die in the wool TC vaper. So if he is your one to listen to he said use TC if you don't have Replay.
That temperature volatilization would be better taken care of with temperature control curves. If Pineapple is coming out at 350 and coconut is coming out at 380 set up a curve that does that. Don't rely on randomly having that happen and then hitting Replay.
I think this is all but a Guarantee in the USA under Deeming.
The Difference being the User will Not be able to set the Max Temperature. That will be FDA Compliant. And Implemented via the PMTA.
"And basically if you think telling people who TC works is ramming it down throats, all your posts here are trying to ram your way down other people's throats who want to try TC but shouldn't because you don't like it."
I haven't told anyone not to try it
"If you think people are not stupid you haven't worked retail or paid attention to the stuff people believe from politicians."
Is that an admission that you think people are stupid? I'm British and part of being British is we never believe what politicians tell us.
I haven't told anyone not to try it
"If you think people are not stupid you haven't worked retail or paid attention to the stuff people believe from politicians."
Is that an admission that you think people are stupid? I'm British and part of being British is we never believe what politicians tell us.
I think it is in this thread I said every TC mod should have the ability to see and manually enter resistance to ten thousandths. I suspect that is the main reason people say it's fidgety and others say it simply doesn't work because they don't know that needs to be done. Although "fidgety" isn't a very good description of their problem so I'm left making assumptions based on my experience. In my experience the only problem getting TC working right is getting the resistance set right.
What I do with Arctic Fox is enter profiles around the cold reading, then I go with the one that works the best.
That would fix most of the fidgety problems with TC. It would probably fix most of the mods that are said not to do TC well.
TC can be made better than the majority of the mods that have TC and the user control of DNA and Arctic Fox are a step in that direction, as was Joyetech's MVR for setting up curves before they were curves.
When a customer seriously asked why we needed to make a profit, yes.
Someone is believing politicians to keep on re-electing them.
I'm not keeping score anymore, I'm devoutly hoping they will get a room and "hash out their" difference there and like, incense will be flying and maybe some nekkid drumming circle (that does get dudes to back down a bit some nekkid drumming has been my experience."
LOLZ my older brother had one for a while, and on me and the husband's first dates, about 7 solemn faced naked dudes emerged from the woods, up the meadow, and filed past us, not breaking eye contact at all.
My husband later told me, "That's a family I can get behind."
Anna
LOLZ my older brother had one for a while, and on me and the husband's first dates, about 7 solemn faced naked dudes emerged from the woods, up the meadow, and filed past us, not breaking eye contact at all.
My husband later told me, "That's a family I can get behind."
Anna
It wasn't that interview no it was Brandon and Daniel and it's a while since i watched it but it was along the lines that that even Evolv staff don't tend to use it. And your figure's say only 1 out of 10 use it all the time and 2 out of 10 just sometimes and that is in an environment where you would think even if subconsciously pressured into using it. Not exactly a shining endorsement.
I use replay and like it and i am not going to pretend to understand how it works, but yes i set it in wattage and i think the reason the coil has to be a TC wire is temperature plays a part in the calculations but it's not set by temperature. I click save after taken a vape that i really liked the flavour with then every vape after that is identical until running your cotton dry if i wish to do so. It's just one click.
I know some people wouldn't mind that but that would be very disappointing for me, as I cannot stand using any of the TC wires. I am one of those few people that Kanthal and Nichrome are the only two wires I don't get weird flavors from.
Then you do use TC. Replay needs TC wires because it is TC.
I figured that out because I was thinking it was replaying VW, which would require replaying the air temperature and puff. But it doesn't.
1 out of 10 or 3 out of 20 isn't nobody. My disease class is 5,000,000 in the world and it's not even classed as a rare disease or separately as rare diseases.
It says something that some Evolv workers think it's fidgety, you would think they would understand how it works enough to realize how to not have to fidget.
Any overstep of regulations is going to leave people out in the cold. Limiting vape style, nicotine, or wire materials.
As i understand it temperature comes into it but it isn't controlled by temperature again in the interview between Brandon and Daniel Brandon States "It's definitively not TC"
It also works with kanthal coils as long as there is inclusion of at least some TC wire.
You can use a mainly kanthal coil as long as there is some TC wire present, you also don't need to pick a TC wire in the menu you just set it in wattage until you get it spot on then save.
I take it you are assuming from the "out in the cold" statement that I wouldn't use it. I only said I would be disappointed, because I would be using wire that tastes weird to me. I'm sure I would get over it with time.
I know. I've tinkered with replay. But just like any other regulated device, I lost interest and went back to mechs.
Not just about you. The reason vaping works for so many is variety. Even the simple variety of shinyitis keeping things interesting.
If you like mechs there's not much worry for you. They can say they've banned them all they want but putting that into practice will prove impossible.
I think it's being down played because of trying to sell it to the 70%. Temperature has to be a major part to make up for different air temperatures and puff rates.
I'm sure whatever is happening could've been done by controlling the wattage applied in TC. But that was too fidgety for people.
I can make almost every TC mod I have have a fast or slow ramp and it will do the same with each puff. That has to be what he's talking about with flavors. I would need escribe to figure it out more but it really sounds like all they did was change the approach to setting up TC and gave it a different name.
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