TC-TCR Temperature Control TCR Value Solution for Different Coils/Mods

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Punk In Drublic

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I got the Kapton tape in various sizes and awaiting the T1 wires by Friday.

Quick question @mikepetro & @Punk In Drublic
Single wires vs clapton and other complicated wires,

Why would you choose clapton and other various wires over single wire?
does clapton and alike retain e-liquid better or what's the theory behind it?

Currently I just got prebuilt SS316L Fused Clapton in 1ohm and 1.5ohm,
I also have an SS316L juggernaut spool sitting around.

I am trying the SS316 Fused Clapton 1ohm and the taste lets say seems more "complicated"?
I am noticing some gurgling not from over-flooding the build deck but rather gurgling
from the coil itself when I fire to take a draw. Also noticed less "spitting" of liquid.

I just can't make sense out of what I am experiencing with it.
a detailed explanation of the theory behind them would be appreciated.

I do not know the true objective behind developing a Clapton coil. But I look at it as a way of manipulating surface area while maintaining resistance and mass. I say resistance because back in late 2013 early 2014 many were still using a voltage source and to achieve any kind of high(ish) wattage vaping you required a mech. With todays variable wattage devices resistance has less of an importance.

The person behind the Clapton coil was an ECF member – his first post on the Clapton he stated this is a 0.5 ohm coil that vapes like a 0.2 ohm dual coil.

From then, the Clapton evolved into its many different forms, some of which are useful, some of which are coil art and do not vape very well but make impressive Instagram pictures!!

I do not know if I buy into the whole “retains liquid” theory. Way too many variables to say that is a fact. I do believe the different wires used does create a more unique way of the coil heating up and I am of belief that creates a different flavour profile. Whether someone enjoys that profile or not is up to that individual.

I have compared simple coil builds with various Clapton type coils and even mesh, which also has it’s unique characteristics – they all provide a different vape experience.

It is all about finding your own preferred balance between surface area and mass, and if using a voltage source, resistance can be included as well.
 

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Personally I don't know how anyone could vape on cheese cake and think it is safe in the long run, common sense prevails. But yes I did hear about unflavored being the safest.

I just don't want to see any unnecessary legislation in the future because someone got sick. That's about my only concern with this. I like having an option to walk to a vape shop
and pick-up e-liquids. I hope this will last.

What ingredients where used to make your preferred tobacco flavour? Do not assume that because if does not have a desert within it’s name, that it is not using similar ingredients as say Cheese Cake. Sweeteners and even cream flavours (as an example) are commonly used to enhance other flavours, including tobacco.
 

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your current favourite is 100% artificial flavours. No different from banana strawberry milkshake with chocolate topping.
I smoked for 42yrs. Tobacco flavoured juice tastes like crap to me. So does all vape juice. If I didnt discover unflavoured I wouldnt have kept on vaping.

Artificial flavors are in stuff you eat and drink daily, I got no issue with that.
No different than X,Y,Z I highly disagree but to each their own.
My e-liquids are never too sweet as not to miss up my wick having a "mild taste" of tobacco is a plus. I can tell the difference between an overly exaggerated taste vs a mild one.
Never tried "unflavored" but I will assume you only taste the smoke or the coil depending on the hygiene.
 

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I do not know the true objective behind developing a Clapton coil. But I look at it as a way of manipulating surface area while maintaining resistance and mass. I say resistance because back in late 2013 early 2014 many were still using a voltage source and to achieve any kind of high(ish) wattage vaping you required a mech. With todays variable wattage devices resistance has less of an importance.

The person behind the Clapton coil was an ECF member – his first post on the Clapton he stated this is a 0.5 ohm coil that vapes like a 0.2 ohm dual coil.

From then, the Clapton evolved into its many different forms, some of which are useful, some of which are coil art and do not vape very well but make impressive Instagram pictures!!

I do not know if I buy into the whole “retains liquid” theory. Way too many variables to say that is a fact. I do believe the different wires used does create a more unique way of the coil heating up and I am of belief that creates a different flavour profile. Whether someone enjoys that profile or not is up to that individual.

I have compared simple coil builds with various Clapton type coils and even mesh, which also has it’s unique characteristics – they all provide a different vape experience.

It is all about finding your own preferred balance between surface area and mass, and if using a voltage source, resistance can be included as well.

Been vaping on Fused Clapton for 2 days now, I can tell the difference in density of vape,
I see it being a plus to bring out certain notes in a flavored e-liquid.
for my e-liquid though I am not noticing a difference in taste at all from single rounded wire, maybe because my e-liquid is on the low mild side.
 
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Speaking of E-Liquids,
An "unnamed" vape shop near by is selling this amazing aged e-liquid that has rum+bourbon and some other stuff in it, selling 60ml for $120+/- a bottle, last patch sold out and they are waiting for more to come. I am on the waiting list because the stuff is really amazing.
$2 per ml :shock:
My homebrew cost less than $2 for 60ml.
 

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Artificial flavors are in stuff you eat and drink daily, I got no issue with that.
No different than X,Y,Z I highly disagree but to each their own.
My e-liquids are never too sweet as not to miss up my wick having a "mild taste" of tobacco is a plus. I can tell the difference between an overly exaggerated taste vs a mild one.
Never tried "unflavored" but I will assume you only taste the smoke or the coil depending on the hygiene.
Unflavored has a very very slight black pepper note, if the nic is oxidized then the pepper note is stronger, other than that its pretty neutral. You do get a throat hit, and you do feel it in your lungs, both of which are important to me.
 

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Speaking of E-Liquids,
An "unnamed" vape shop near by is selling this amazing aged e-liquid that has rum+bourbon and some other stuff in it, selling 60ml for $120+/- a bottle, last patch sold out and they are waiting for more to come. I am on the waiting list because the stuff is really amazing.
Wow, what juice would that be a $2 a mil...
Gotta be some fancy 5 Pawns, Lazarus or Phillip Rocke stuff. I haven't had any Castle Long in years, that stuff was yummy. :D
 

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Artificial flavors are in stuff you eat and drink daily, I got no issue with that.
No different than X,Y,Z I highly disagree but to each their own.
My e-liquids are never too sweet as not to miss up my wick having a "mild taste" of tobacco is a plus. I can tell the difference between an overly exaggerated taste vs a mild one.
Never tried "unflavored" but I will assume you only taste the smoke or the coil depending on the hygiene.

Mild tasting juice is not really a way to conclude what is inside the mix. Never tried Naked 100 Euro Gold – but looking at their description how do they come up with that “Honey”, “Nutty” and “Smoky” effect? The result may seem mild to the taste, but how did they achieve that result? Have a look at DIY and see how they achieve certain taste profiles. Commercial e-juice is no different.

The benefit with DIY is we know what is going into the mix. I can look to see what flavour concentrates contain ingredients such as Acetoin, Acetyl Propionyl, Sucralose or Ethyl Maltol just to name a few. We do not have such pleasures with commercial juices.
 

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$2 per ml :shock:
My homebrew cost less than $2 for 60ml.

Yes it is very pricey and they have it in 4 different flavors, I will get the
booklet next time I stop by and post it.

Wow, what juice would that be a $2 a mil...
Gotta be some fancy 5 Pawns, Lazarus or Phillip Rocke stuff. I haven't had any Castle Long in years, that stuff was yummy. :D

:lol:
My thought exactly when I heard the price, It tasted very good though
I was impressed.

Mild tasting juice is not really a way to conclude what is inside the mix. Never tried Naked 100 Euro Gold – but looking at their description how do they come up with that “Honey”, “Nutty” and “Smoky” effect? The result may seem mild to the taste, but how did they achieve that result? Have a look at DIY and see how they achieve certain taste profiles. Commercial e-juice is no different.

The benefit with DIY is we know what is going into the mix. I can look to see what flavour concentrates contain ingredients such as Acetoin, Acetyl Propionyl, Sucralose or Ethyl Maltol just to name a few. We do not have such pleasures with commercial juices.

I need a second maybe 3rd e-liquid variety I am starting to lose the taste of euro gold
very subtle note. I will properly have few kayfun's ready with different e-liquid to break vapor's tongue. Honey and nutty flavors are almost non existent with this eliquid, barely feel the tobacco taste.
 
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Excuse the terrible hand-writing,
From what I gathered thanks to @mikepetro for the TCR link,
this is what to expect for T1 and SS360L in TCR value in relation to temperatures
or vaping ranges. Any number in between could also be true depending on the metal in question.

I will be storing this cheat with my vape gear.
Should I consider other values?
ID9w1vC.jpg
 

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Excuse the terrible hand-writing,
From what I gathered thanks to @mikepetro for the TCR link,
this is what to expect for T1 and SS360L in TCR value in relation to temperatures
or vaping ranges. Any number in between could also be true depending on the metal in question.

I will be storing this cheat with my vape gear.
Should I consider other values?
ID9w1vC.jpg

If I may ask, how did you come up with those temps vs TCR values? Just curious.
 

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I apologize, it is taking longer than expected, it is 4:30am and I am not done yet! :eek:

I ran into few issues with the probe moving and not giving the same or similar "consistent"
feedback I am expecting, @mikepetro picture the way he has the insulation under a coil and the probe in the coil is genius. insuring it does not move which is KEY.

However it is a no cigar for my probe, I tried 4 different coil builds as low as 3 wraps 4's.
the probe keeps moving from the heat and throwing the temperature off.

What I did first by "pinching" the probe between 2 coils was more consistent in taking
measurement and doing changes.
MEr6wUr.jpg

dlf5pdq.jpg

HXGogFE.jpg


Interesting, while setting up the atty, I checked to make sure the thermocouple is accurate,
I took this video below, you will notice the room temp and the thermocouple but the
surprise was when I turned on the "meter" switch on my tester the temperature started to rise! So this means if you put the atty on your mod and come to check if the temp of your thermocouple is correct or not you will be throw off by thinking your thermocouple is out of spec! while in fact it is accurate in my case by only 2F.
 

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Every time you test it with the Coilmaster you are putting minute trace currents through the coil. This could explain the slight rise in temp you are seeing.

Many mods will do the same thing, sending a tiny current to measure the resistance of the coil.
 

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I apologize, it is taking longer than expected, it is 4:30am and I am not done yet! :eek:

I ran into few issues with the probe moving and not giving the same or similar "consistent"
feedback I am expecting, @mikepetro picture the way he has the insulation under a coil and the probe in the coil is genius. insuring it does not move which is KEY.

However it is a no cigar for my probe, I tried 4 different coil builds as low as 3 wraps 4's.
the probe keeps moving from the heat and throwing the temperature off.

What I did first by "pinching" the probe between 2 coils was more consistent in taking
measurement and doing changes.
MEr6wUr.jpg

dlf5pdq.jpg

HXGogFE.jpg


Interesting, while setting up the atty, I checked to make sure the thermocouple is accurate,
I took this video below, you will notice the room temp and the thermocouple but the
surprise was when I turned on the "meter" switch on my tester the temperature started to rise! So this means if you put the atty on your mod and come to check if the temp of your thermocouple is correct or not you will be throw off by thinking your thermocouple is out of spec! while in fact it is accurate in my case by only 2F.


You forgot the cat in the video. I cannot stress this enough. Cats invented physics therefor they can bend the laws of physics. Ever see a cat fall on it’s back?

Georg Ohm, the man claimed to be behind Ohms law owned a cat. So, ask yourself who created Ohms law, him or his cat?

That said, I agree with @mikepetro
 
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