can you be a little more specific, what wattage you put it on, how long each burst and how many etc? im interested
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Dry burning will work - I did that for months. But, it also shortens the life of the atty. Heating and cooling like that can create micro fissures in the nichrome surface so it can get carbon build-up even faster.
I tried the sonic cleaners with Everclear and that was less than great too. What I am experimenting with now is pressurized steam. If you have one of those steam cleaning guns, try putting on the small tip and hold the atty with pliers and steam it out. If you don't have the gun, I think the pressurized milk-steamer nozzle on many espresso machines should also work.
My Joye 302s come with some nasty tasting primer in them and even blowing them out will still leave the primer taste for hours. these attys also can take up to a day to break in. Using the steam, I get the primer out in a couple of minutes and the attys are performing/breaking-in with in an hour or two. If you have either of these available to you, I'd suggest giving this method a try.
When I was dry-burning, I'd turn the watts DOWN to about 6.5 and burn for about 10 second bursts while gently blowing down the barrel of the atty. After several times, the ohms would start to rise back up towards normal. if a particularly encrusted atty - might take 5 to 10 minutes of these dry burn bursts. If you do not turn it down, you can pop the atty. However, as I said, this can really shorten any remaining life of the atty and can be pretty stressful to the battery too (pretty heavy drain - so much more than regular vaping). I really would advise against doing it but it does work in a pinch.
Edit - BTW, while doing this dry-burn technique, I have seen ohms drop for a few burns and then climb back up.
Edit - BTW, while doing this dry-burn technique, I have seen ohms drop for a few burns and then climb back up.
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nice info neb!
arghhh so im pretty sure i burned the hell out of my taste buds, everything tastes funky, most of my flavors are close to non existence or i can taste some weird part on a different taste bud, even menthol is out, beer, food, everything just tastes crappy, hope this heals up soon so i can get back to tasting my vape, i read it can take like 2 weeks to heal up ad be back to normal, im gonn go nuts!
arghhh so im pretty sure i burned the hell out of my taste buds, everything tastes funky, most of my flavors are close to non existence or i can taste some weird part on a different taste bud, even menthol is out, beer, food, everything just tastes crappy, hope this heals up soon so i can get back to tasting my vape, i read it can take like 2 weeks to heal up ad be back to normal, im gonn go nuts!
ime, try vaping some un-flavored for a little while if you've got any. Sometimes that helps
Neb, some say that pressurized steam is also harmful to the delicateness of the internal atty and coil. There are pros and cons, certainly. Also, some say that if you blow down the barrel of the atty while dry burning, you are actually causing it to heat up even more, not cool it.
Everyone needs to find their own cleaning path.
Vendors would tell you...... just buy a new atty!
Thanks KD! 
I'm one of those hardheads that learns by doing. But so far I am having good luck with the steam. If I start going thru attys like I was with dry-burning... Dryburning was using up attys in a week or two. My last 302 steamed has been going a month and still pretty strong. I did a fresh one for Vegas but the last one is still happy.
Tried this with cartos and it does clean them but they don't taste like a new one so I won't bother with those anymore.
Missed you in SIN city - that is fo sho!!
I'm one of those hardheads that learns by doing. But so far I am having good luck with the steam. If I start going thru attys like I was with dry-burning... Dryburning was using up attys in a week or two. My last 302 steamed has been going a month and still pretty strong. I did a fresh one for Vegas but the last one is still happy. Tried this with cartos and it does clean them but they don't taste like a new one so I won't bother with those anymore.
Missed you in SIN city - that is fo sho!!
Oh and I so wanted to be there, Neb! I just wasn't able to go this time. I watched a bit of it on Elixir and it looked like all the drunks were having fun (without me!).
I'm also a 'let's see how THIS works' type. I've done it all, and to this day, I have no clue what is working (cleaning wise) and what is not. I do know that I have purchase 29 attys and out of that lot, 4 are dead. That's since January, so I think I must be doing something right. I just don't know what that is!
Just an aside, now I soak for an hour-ish in vodka and once in a while a bit of a quick dry burn. Mostly just let them dry in the sun in a window.
Did you enjoy the Vegas festivities? Pics? Details?
I'm also a 'let's see how THIS works' type. I've done it all, and to this day, I have no clue what is working (cleaning wise) and what is not. I do know that I have purchase 29 attys and out of that lot, 4 are dead. That's since January, so I think I must be doing something right. I just don't know what that is!
Just an aside, now I soak for an hour-ish in vodka and once in a while a bit of a quick dry burn. Mostly just let them dry in the sun in a window.
Did you enjoy the Vegas festivities? Pics? Details?
I think the end headcount was over 300 people but I cannot confirm that number because I left early.
While I saw nothing particularly new and super exciting (there was an interesting and creative vaping hookah table), I came away with lots of goodies. Lots of new juices, tanks (pyrex too), dripshields, Goodsense 306DCA (I am not a 306 user but had to grab one of these to try - 2 piece adapter that lets you snug in a 306 and use any 510/901 driptip with no leaks and adjusts draw/airflow), 2.5 and 3Ω dual coil cartos, Ego Mega Dual Coil Cartos in black and clear, new 6 ml carto, delrin and aluminum drip tips for EMDCCs, DIY flavorings, and more. As many know, I am an HV vapor but there was a bunch of interesting 3.7 gear like a new Stealth GG, V-mods, Thor's hammers, new box feeders, "bud" (1.5ml tank atty/carto?)...
What made the trip most worthwhile was the chance to meet so many many people in person and out from behind the computer screens. I met so many screen names and got a chance to get to know them a bit in person (compared to the limited interaction we get in forums and chatrooms). We had big groups doing all kinds of things from hanging out for hours (first night about 50 people hanging out on a deck with drinks, etc), to going out to meals... Friday night we had a group of 16 people walking down the strip and then waltz into a restaurant at 1 AM asking for a table for dinner. We had a great time.
As far as I could tell, there was not a drop of drama and THAT was nice to see (or perhaps I should say "not see").
Without taking ANY sides, of any nature, if I were to get up on a soapbox about the one thing that REALLY could make it better? It would be to see an end to all the divisiveness in the vaping community. Without going into detail, and will not respond to posts looking to further any discussion on this point, there are small and statistically insignificant issues being discussed in other forums that are unfortunately resulting in personality conflicts and those conflicts are creating the divisiveness that have some propagating sentiments like "don't go to that event - go to this one..." and much more. Such can in no way help our community and can only hurt it. Regulation will come and if we do not find a way to come together and coordinate the professionals (doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc), we will never create a community voice to have any say in the regulation when it comes. Sadly, some seem to feel that their personality conflicts are more important than preparing to have professional community voice to interject against whatever the lobbyists (special interests) push for with their monstrous and extremely influential resources.
Had such personality and other issues been addressed (and resolved) professionally and behind closed doors, the divisiveness might not be ripping the cohesiveness of the vaping community apart at the seams and we could all be encouraging much greater turnouts for ALL big vape events. I fear many vendors and vapors did not come to this event solely because of that divisiveness. This event could have been, and certainly SHOULD have been, over 500 attendees strong. Without such cohesiveness (and hopefully resultant organized professionalism), we may just have to stomach whatever regulation gets imposed upon us as we will not have any organized/professional voice to represent OUR interests.
Overall, I had a fantastic time at Vegas Vapefest with late nights, GREAT people, new juices (vendor and peoples' DIYs), new toys and more - not to mention it was in VEGAS!! I only wish there were many many more of us in attendance because I would love to meet so many more of the enthusiastic, creative and wonderful people we have in the vaping community. I may try to get to VaperCon (but that is a cross country trip for me and therefore much more costly to attend). I think vapors are great people and when we get together - FUN times ensue!
While I saw nothing particularly new and super exciting (there was an interesting and creative vaping hookah table), I came away with lots of goodies. Lots of new juices, tanks (pyrex too), dripshields, Goodsense 306DCA (I am not a 306 user but had to grab one of these to try - 2 piece adapter that lets you snug in a 306 and use any 510/901 driptip with no leaks and adjusts draw/airflow), 2.5 and 3Ω dual coil cartos, Ego Mega Dual Coil Cartos in black and clear, new 6 ml carto, delrin and aluminum drip tips for EMDCCs, DIY flavorings, and more. As many know, I am an HV vapor but there was a bunch of interesting 3.7 gear like a new Stealth GG, V-mods, Thor's hammers, new box feeders, "bud" (1.5ml tank atty/carto?)...
What made the trip most worthwhile was the chance to meet so many many people in person and out from behind the computer screens. I met so many screen names and got a chance to get to know them a bit in person (compared to the limited interaction we get in forums and chatrooms). We had big groups doing all kinds of things from hanging out for hours (first night about 50 people hanging out on a deck with drinks, etc), to going out to meals... Friday night we had a group of 16 people walking down the strip and then waltz into a restaurant at 1 AM asking for a table for dinner. We had a great time.
As far as I could tell, there was not a drop of drama and THAT was nice to see (or perhaps I should say "not see").
Without taking ANY sides, of any nature, if I were to get up on a soapbox about the one thing that REALLY could make it better? It would be to see an end to all the divisiveness in the vaping community. Without going into detail, and will not respond to posts looking to further any discussion on this point, there are small and statistically insignificant issues being discussed in other forums that are unfortunately resulting in personality conflicts and those conflicts are creating the divisiveness that have some propagating sentiments like "don't go to that event - go to this one..." and much more. Such can in no way help our community and can only hurt it. Regulation will come and if we do not find a way to come together and coordinate the professionals (doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc), we will never create a community voice to have any say in the regulation when it comes. Sadly, some seem to feel that their personality conflicts are more important than preparing to have professional community voice to interject against whatever the lobbyists (special interests) push for with their monstrous and extremely influential resources.
Had such personality and other issues been addressed (and resolved) professionally and behind closed doors, the divisiveness might not be ripping the cohesiveness of the vaping community apart at the seams and we could all be encouraging much greater turnouts for ALL big vape events. I fear many vendors and vapors did not come to this event solely because of that divisiveness. This event could have been, and certainly SHOULD have been, over 500 attendees strong. Without such cohesiveness (and hopefully resultant organized professionalism), we may just have to stomach whatever regulation gets imposed upon us as we will not have any organized/professional voice to represent OUR interests.
Overall, I had a fantastic time at Vegas Vapefest with late nights, GREAT people, new juices (vendor and peoples' DIYs), new toys and more - not to mention it was in VEGAS!! I only wish there were many many more of us in attendance because I would love to meet so many more of the enthusiastic, creative and wonderful people we have in the vaping community. I may try to get to VaperCon (but that is a cross country trip for me and therefore much more costly to attend). I think vapors are great people and when we get together - FUN times ensue!
Let me know how that 306DCA works out for you Nebula. I am probably going to get one when they are back in stock but I wish they would make them in black. I know for a fact that it won't close on the darwin but I don't care because it seems like it would be a very nice addition I am really interested in the airflow adjustment. If I could take a really "airy" 306 atty and adjust it for a tighter draw, that would be amazing...
I am really interested in the airflow adjustment. If I could take a really "airy" 306 atty and adjust it for a tighter draw, that would be amazing...
As it stands right now, from what I can tell, Neb, the only organization that truely represents us is CASAA. At our last two vape fests in the Atlanta area we had raffles with the money going to CASAA. I would like to see every person who vapes join and contribute to CASAA.
Let me know how that 306DCA works out for you Nebula. I am probably going to get one when they are back in stock but I wish they would make them in black. I know for a fact that it won't close on the darwin but I don't care because it seems like it would be a very nice addition
I find for some of my 510/306 I use a ego adapter + the cone... Helps tighten airflow... also helps "catch" if your a dripper. (If its a 306 use a xxl drip tip to work w/ cone).
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Neb, loved your account of the Vapefest! It was wonderful to experience it thru your vantage point, which, in most all areas vape related, has become extremely admired and respected.
I agree. Divisiveness is not the direction in which we need to head. Cohesiveness sounds preferable, is preferable! Thank you for the reminder.
I also love attending vape meets. It's genuinely a joy for me to be in the company of my ever-growing community! (Oh, yes, and new toys don't hurt.)
I agree. Divisiveness is not the direction in which we need to head. Cohesiveness sounds preferable, is preferable! Thank you for the reminder.
I also love attending vape meets. It's genuinely a joy for me to be in the company of my ever-growing community! (Oh, yes, and new toys don't hurt.)
Thanks and Awesome BB. Yes there are times when it would be nice to be a little closer to Medical attention or maybe just the Meds
A little RANT - I have watched many of my Darwinian brethren over on the trippy tip site. I certainly am happy for those that have scored one but am bowing out of the F5 Beta debacle I am seing over there. I do not know about anyone else but tonight has just put me over the edge a tad. Why just why do we need to announce stuff that is months out from becoming available and viable. While I certainly understand generating market interest there are more than a few products that have a big following with much hype generated and now well past a 6 month product launch window. This type of business practice is tiresome and I vow from this day forward not to feed the frenzy. If someone is going to bring something then bring it. Do the Beta test tweak the product and crap or get off the pot. Some suppliers are getting it right but many are falling into this model and we are all feeding it. I will happily vape my Darwins using my colored and twisted DT's which by the way I can go on the nHaler site and get as many as of those DT's as I want Sorry now back to our regularly scheduled gutter talk and love fest for all things Darwin
Sorry now back to our regularly scheduled gutter talk and love fest for all things DarwinI will try to grab one for you Ski and I won't even charge you extra for it I was lucky enough to have someone order one from the beta list for me today so I will do what I can. There is just a ton of miscommunication and some people apparently don't even know that they are on the beta team 
I was lucky enough to have someone order one from the beta list for me today so I will do what I can. There is just a ton of miscommunication and some people apparently don't even know that they are on the beta team
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I will try to grab one for you Ski and I won't even charge you extra for it
Panky that is nice of you. I understand they are a work of art etc etc. My frustration is that this is not the only product to go down this path. If he would take an order and say OK it is 3 to 4 months until I can create the tip you want then fine that is OK. This F5 and waiting till a certain time to order just frosts my .... It is almost like the people who camp out in front of stores and buy three or 4 of the newest gaming platforms then sell them on freakin ebay. That and the fact that too many Suppliers are hyping product that is not ready for prime time. Trippy tips may fall into a different realm but still propogating hype with limited product availability is now beyond tired. OK I will up the GD nic and level the hell out. Again thanks for the kind offer Panky
I think the only set time that they released them was that one night when they sold the ones made by Matt. After that it has been all random for the most part. I have seen tips listed at 2:00 p.m. EST and others at 4:00 or so and some at midnight. It's pretty crazy but my offer is serious so keep your paypal ready
There will always be a small niche market for this type of stuff. Collectors, hot rodders, enthusiasts. Pick any industry and this happens. I.E. Guys that spend big wads on the suped up computers as soon as they hit the market...then super cool them and over clock them even more. Folks that'll spend 8k on a car stereo/media center with 11 LCD screens with some kind of custom back-lights and enough speakers to shake all of Down Town Dallas. And the list goes on..............
Let'um have their fun (and spend their money). At the end of the day, it's up to you if you choose to play the game, or just find one of the proven econo models that works for you. Hype is just part of the game really. It leads to ideas that eventually make it into standard stock models.
On artsy stuff...again, creating demand for their product is what it's all about. Especially for hand made one of a kind stuff. If an artist can't or won't sell to you on terms you're comfortable with, consider finding another glass blower and commissioning him/her to make you one (or a set)? There's lots of them out there who could probably use the work/money
Just ideas...I know it can be frustrating.
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