It's a shame but when the smoker ever gives me a problem I tell em that I'll still be breathing when there 5' under and that shuts em up most of the time.
The Darwin From Evolv!!!
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The problems I get from smokers are people saying if I am going to quit I will just quit cold turkey. I won't need any device.
We, as vapers, are in an interesting, sandwiched position between smokers and non-smokers. We are carving out the path, and have no real reference points but our own journeys. Pioneers... We are pioneers! FWIW, we have each other, which is prolly why ECF is so important to so many of us. We have a place to share our turbulence, our trials and tribulations, but also our TRIUMPHS in this, our new world.
From what I read here, most of us are going thru the same thing in terms of the world around us. I am grateful to all of you, and always excited to hear what your life brings and how you deal with it.
vape happily. (with a D'win in each hand!)
From what I read here, most of us are going thru the same thing in terms of the world around us. I am grateful to all of you, and always excited to hear what your life brings and how you deal with it.
vape happily. (with a D'win in each hand!)
Congrats on the new Darwin, CountryCarol, it is a whole new thing. I get grief from the smokers, but in public? I take the gentle stance mentioned on ECF once. "Do you mind if I use my portable steamer in here? It helps me to breath". Best said with a low VG juice.
How bout extending that to "I used to smoke cigarettes and had a hard time breathing. So I use this to NOT smoke and to breathe more easily."
Too much?
Too much?
I agree with you as an insider looking at it, but for an outsider it looks the same.
All I am saying is that we need to educate the general public about it, the more they know the more they will support this as a healthier alternative. We will have to fight the zealots, but we must resist the urge to become zealots in our own right. To me this means making the most of teaching moments and picking our battles carefully. We need to understand how our stance will appear to the general public. To them, asking for a separate rule for ecigs would be like asking for a separate rule for cigars and pipes. We know that's not a fair comparison, but they won't.
But enforceable laws need to be based on science and fact. Not 'public opinion'.
So I agree about educating folks.
The attorneys making these rules at the DOT should know better however. A device that makes water vapor is NOT smoking. If it needs to be banned for some legit reason, that's all fine and dandy, but it's not smoking. If this is challenged in a court (and at some point it probably will be if they make it a DOT rule) and a court upholds this as 'smoking' then it's just the beginning of what courts can 'redefine' at will! All sorts of things can be 'lumped' together as blanket laws/rules then!
All the smokers I know seem to be real interested in the Darwin. I've never got any real grief from anyone so far. Kind of seems ridiculous for someone puffing away on a stinky old cancer at nearly $9.00 a pack to talk smack about a PV, but with 6 billion people in the world I guess there are going to be quite a few gloopy ones.
I agree with that, but unfortunately laws are made (ultimately, at least) by politicians, so I think we need to think of it as a political fight. We are also lacking in hard scientific data to reinforce what we all believe to be true, that this is a healthier alternative to smoking that causes no significant risk to those around us.
If for no other reason, that latter point is why they will want to lump us with smokers. They will be concerned about "second hand vapor" and all that cal. I don't actually know myself how legitimate that concern is (certainly less than smoking since there is no tar or carcinogens and the vapor dissipates faster).
The pendulum has swung and we are on the wrong end of it with regards to public opinion on smoking, and those lawmakers are certainly paying attention to public opinion. They would certainly cave to it even if they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was no health concerns to those around us. What we really need to focus on, in my view, is getting public opinion on our side. That's how we will ultimately win.
And, I love my Darwin that I bought from Drew at Nhaler.com! LOL
Ah, but we are NOT lacking hard evidence to support the notion that drinking alcohol can cause problems on an airplane. The DOT isn't banning that!
They even want to ban the PV on 'chartered' flights. That's a bit extreme I think. If I want to book a plane for my private party, I'm told the owner of the aircraft, the pilot, and me...all have NO SAY on allowing 'smoking' of any form...including vaping.
What's next? The coffee maker?
Brushing against someone wearing a nic patch is far more risky than boarding an aircraft that was chartered hours ago and had a few vaping partiers on board.
We know what water vapor does to people.
We know what nicotine does to people.
We know what food grade flavorings does to people.
So, unless the PV has something unconventional inside it, we know it's just water vapor...and possibly very trace amounts of nicotine...period. The bug spray used in the airport has more 'nicotine' in it. The potatoes you eat mid-flight have more nicotine in it. So...to make sure nothing 'unconventional' gets into the eCig...just let the airlines sell disposable e-cigs...then it's known exactly what is in them! That's what they do with alcoholic beverages....buy it from us here on the plane, follow our rules in the process, and you can consume it
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Thank you!! Does the site have the times for the show?
My favorite can not miss show comes on thursdays at elixir so this is going to be a hard call. I have been begging to hear more about this kick though so I may very likely be there for the show.
Well said!
At the individual contact level I believe we are best to avoid battles altogether. I vape in smoking areas but don't make a show of it. If a smoker becomes curious they'll ask, and that's the right time to gently engage them. Similarly with non-smokers - wait until they want to know what it is, then they're in a receptive mood.
I'm currently on a business trip with a Darwin for the first time travelling. After a couple of days some people at the office had seen me vaping outside, asked about it, invited me to go ahead and vape in their offices, and I'm now welcome to vape at group meetings. This spectacular result hadn't happened to me on trips before and I think the Darwin is partly the reason. It may be that because it looks so unlike a cigarette that people are generally in a more interested and less pre-judgemental state of mind when they get curious enough to ask about it.
Nicely done Mister. The Darwin does spread the love-------Now if it would spread legs as easily, man we would have a super MOD!
Shouldn't be too long. Drew seems to get another batch in every few weeks, but I could be wrong on that
thanks dude.. had a darwin when i first started vaping but didnt know anything about the whole wattage thing, now ive learned a few things and want to get another one.. Give it another shot..
I am glad that you are coming back to the Darwin. I have seen you around and it seems that you have experience with many mods so I am sure that you will pleased with the Darwin this time around
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