The E-Pipe Juice Machine

[petercro]

Hi all.
Just returned home , and have a little catching up to do.
Clyde. I hope you got my PM.

TraderDan
Feel free to post any pics of your design, We are always interested.
MastiffMike
I don't know what atty you intend to use, but before you build your design, may I
suggest you run a small bench test of both delivery methods and draw your own conclusions.
If you do this please post the results as we would all like the extra insight.
Remember the only atty I have available at the moment is the 4081, and the positive ring in the base of the atty is about 3mm thick and a gap above that of about 2-3mm before the -ve mesh is located so my positive charged brass tube is set to a height so
it cannot touch to -ve mesh.

WhatAClumsyGirl.
Feel free add your input whenever you wish........

Cheers all
Petercro..........

 

[Scottbee]

I've been working on this for weeks... and had to keep on biting my tongue while watching you guys.

Take a look:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/product-feature-design-requests/70591-dream-pvs.html

 

[kai kane]

Thanks Dawgcrazy and Scottbee.

My silicone samples finally arrived today and i hope to run some tests this weekend. finally!

Yes, the temp needed to put of toxic fumes is above 500 degrees F.
I make teflon parts, so am well aware of the "teflon flu" and the temps needed for it to become toxic ... I DO know (found out the hard way), that analogs WILL heat high enough to give you the "teflon flu" should you happen to get any amount of the teflon material/dust/etc on it.

almost hate to ask -what's the "teflon flu"?

 

[kai kane]

I've been working on this for weeks... and had to keep on biting my tongue while watching you guys.

Take a look:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/product-feature-design-requests/70591-dream-pvs.html

thanks Scottbee for sharing those pix -

Nice I won't be done with a prototype #1 for a week at least and then there's testing8-o how long have you been testing the mods Scott?

have you modded the coil or just removed the bridge?

 

[Scottbee]

thanks Scottbee for sharing those pix -

Nice I won't be done with a prototype #1 for a week at least and then there's testing8-o how long have you been testing the mods Scott?

have you modded the coil or just removed the bridge?

I built the first prototype.. I dunno.. about 3 weeks ago. It was pretty crude, but I got a "proof of concept" out of it. I've been doing refinements since then.

Once the bridge and wick are off, the coil is just laying there asking you to dork with it. I have a couple where I have intentionally shorted-out one turn on the coil. That makes for a hot-running atty... which makes a lot of vapor if you can keep it wet. They also don't last very long!

 

[Scottbee]

Thanks Dawgcrazy and Scottbee.

My silicone samples finally arrived today and i hope to run some tests this weekend. finally!



almost hate to ask -what's the "teflon flu"?

Note that Joye uses Teflon insulation on the atty wires under the coil pot. I'm hoping that Teflon isn't an issue!! 8-o

 

[kai kane]

Noe that Joye uses Teflon insulation on the atty wires under the coil pot. I'm hoping that Teflon isn't an issue!! 8-o

snap! wow- where did you get that info?

 

[Scottbee]

snap! wow- where did you get that info?

Looking at about a half dozen disemboweled 510 atties.... I recognize the wire.

Agreed, I haven't done a chemical analysis on it, but I recognize Teflon insulation.

 

[kai kane]

okay - i REMEMBER now -you said TEMPS at BOTTOM of ceramic cup, not coil, so maybe we're still ok on teflon - have you ever seen any scorching or other signs the teflon is being over-heated?:
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from StratOvation:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng/31335-acrolein-vg-simple-test-results.html

My initial reading was taken with the atty clean and dry and the Thermocouple (TC) in contact (touching) with the coil. After continuously energizing the coil for 6 seconds, the peak temp reading was 689F (365C).
...

 

[dawgcrazy]

okay - i REMEMBER now -you said TEMPS at BOTTOM of ceramic cup, not coil, so maybe we're still ok on teflon - have you ever seen any scorching or other signs the teflon is being over-heated?:
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from StratOvation:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng/31335-acrolein-vg-simple-test-results.html

My initial reading was taken with the atty clean and dry and the Thermocouple (TC) in contact (touching) with the coil. After continuously energizing the coil for 6 seconds, the peak temp reading was 689F (365C).
...

Wow, that temp is pretty high...but still considered safe. I wish my memory was better, but I believe the "danger zone" for teflon is 730 or 750 degrees F.

As for the teflon flu, that's what it is commonly referred to because when you inhale toxic fumes from burning teflon, it starts out feeling like the flu...you get extremely achey, feel nauseated, faint, hot/cold, then you feel like you want to DIE! Seriously, it's awful. My case luckily, wasn't bad and passed after about 3 hours. This was due to my not washing my hands after machining parts, then going outside to smoke. My boss however, had a bad case of it after dealing with an extruder than had caught on fire and he inhaled so much of it, he was hospitalized for several days.

Teflon and extremely high temps is not something to play with. I'm actually shocked to find out that they use it as insulation in these things. If the temp never goes over 700 F, then we're ok...after that, I wouldn't feel comfortable using it.

 

[Scottbee]

okay - i REMEMBER now -you said TEMPS at BOTTOM of ceramic cup, not coil, so maybe we're still ok on teflon - have you ever seen any scorching or other signs the teflon is being over-heated?:

Naw.. nothing even remotely resembling scorching of the wire insulators. Remember, the bottom of the coil pot is removed from the actual coil by both distance and thermal insulators. No only is the ceramic "in the way", you've also got many layers of metal mesh. It can get hot down there.. hot enough to deform the plastic insulator disk (I've posted pictures of this before)..... but I really, really doubt we're seeing anything near 500 degrees. The atty body would get smoking hot if we were.

 

[kai kane]

. The atty body would get smoking hot if we were.

thanks dudes -

 

[petercro]

Been using my mod for a week or so now.
Here is a quick update.

I have tried and tried to flood the atty, by virtually squeezing the bottle flat,
but when it re-inflates the excess is sucked back.
Also the only time I have seen it leak is if I blow into the atty, then a little liquid comes
out of the side air intake holes. (located outside the box)

I must admit that the 4081 would be better as a 5v vapour.
The amount and quality of vapour is very very good on the first day of battery charge.
18650 4.2v
Day two, battery at 4.0v, vapour reduces a little.
Day three, battery at 3.71v vapour noticeably reduced.
I recharged on night of day three, battery still working though.
Using NuCig's 26mg menthol PG
I'm a heavy vapour!

My next box mod will have a 510 atty as suggested by (Highping)

I may consider using a regulator to keep voltage at 4.2 all day.
Then placing the mod on a night charging stand.

Would a nightly charge of the 18650 harm the battery in any way?

If anyone out there could point me in the right direction to a 4.2v regulator,
I would be grateful.

Lastly I have just ordered 50ml of 26ml VG menthol.
I hope that the VG is not too viscous to pump through the system.
Any thoughts.

All your input is always appreciated.

Petercro.................

 

[petercro]

Hi All

Keep an eye on this thread by TWalker, I think it will be the place to be.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on-juice-injection-drop-drop.html#post1048066

 

[Darchand]

It is good to hear that your mod is working well. I don't know if the VG is too thick or not. I do know that it seems much more viscous but I don't think it should be a problem. Let us know as soon as you can.

 

[clyde2801]

Been using my mod for a week or so now.
Here is a quick update.

I have tried and tried to flood the atty, by virtually squeezing the bottle flat,
but when it re-inflates the excess is sucked back.
Also the only time I have seen it leak is if I blow into the atty, then a little liquid comes
out of the side air intake holes. (located outside the box)

I must admit that the 4081 would be better as a 5v vapour.
The amount and quality of vapour is very very good on the first day of battery charge.
18650 4.2v
Day two, battery at 4.0v, vapour reduces a little.
Day three, battery at 3.71v vapour noticeably reduced.
I recharged on night of day three, battery still working though.
Using NuCig's 26mg menthol PG
I'm a heavy vapour!

My next box mod will have a 510 atty as suggested by (Highping)

I may consider using a regulator to keep voltage at 4.2 all day.
Then placing the mod on a night charging stand.

Would a nightly charge of the 18650 harm the battery in any way?

If anyone out there could point me in the right direction to a 4.2v regulator,
I would be grateful.

Lastly I have just ordered 50ml of 26ml VG menthol.
I hope that the VG is not too viscous to pump through the system.
Any thoughts.

All your input is always appreciated.

Petercro.................

I used a copper at 6v, and it ate 4081's. Sure, try a 510, but you may have already stumbled upon a sweet spot with the juice design, voltage, atty and batty life. Being virtually unfloodable is a bonus, too. I guess you don't have to do any PM on the atty like letting it drain every night upside down?
I'm also wondering about the lifespan on the 4081 with this setup. If a heavy vaper can get a month or more out of a regular 4081, this will reduce the carlos special sauce atty by a little bit.

It may not be a 5/6 v fog machine, but having a portable box with a decent vape with little or no maintenance is good enough for most people. This, along with a 5v pt for home/work could be the only pv's that most people would ever need.

C'mon RM.....

 

[petercro]

To tell the truth Clyde.
The more I use it, the more I like it.
Just for a test I dripped some cherry in the atty.
It was good but I realized that I have not dripped liquid for about a week.
And unless I get the odd tester bottle, I never will again.
Just refilling the bottle every 3 - 4 days and dropping battery on charge is the way to go.

 

[MrPuff]

To tell the truth Clyde.
The more I use it, the more I like it.
Just for a test I dripped some cherry in the atty.
It was good but I realized that I have not dripped liquid for about a week.
And unless I get the odd tester bottle, I never will again.
Just refilling the bottle every 3 - 4 days and dropping battery on charge is the way to go.

I hear you on the not going back to dripping, juice feed is the future. Glad to hear your design is working so well, sounds awesome.

 

[traderdan]

(TraderDan
Feel free to post any pics of your design, We are always interested.)
Petercro
Well its not fancy just practical. And it floods if you don't watch out . But if run a high volt unit you'll die for the vapor this bad boy puts out . I got the Idea from the forum to use the primer bulb .Don't remember who started it maybe someone reading can . But they didn't like it and didn't carry it on . I have found it to be a wonderful way todeliver the juice if your careful not to pump too much in . I use a 901 atty on it and at 6.5 to 7.volt fresh charge and it delivers a powerful punch of vapor that would satisfy the most demanding nic crazed manic ( like me) . The primer bulb can be found on e-bay for a couple bucks and will outlast any bottle feeder because it is made out of tuff silicone not vinyl like the bottles I tried the bottle type feeding system replaced three in two days lost about 10ml of juice. And decided to try the bulb this is what I came up with it has a check valve that allows one way feeding . If you practice you can deliver just a drop or two or a ton . If you look close at the pics you will see I also added a tube to the atomizer battery connector to get more air flow to the atomizer . That in it self helps a lot . I don't like to draw to hard to get the vapor I want . I used a reed relay to move the current to the atty because radio trash switches really suck .but bought a micro-switch to help with the ware and tear and it doesn't mind being juiced to boot and has lasted quite awhile . This unit is a back-up for my experimental unit I built. That uses my own atomizer that is a flow threw that doesn't ever get flooded . It has a bulb on it and you can pump and pump it then hit it and its ready to deliver a nice vap no matter how many times you juice it

 

[petercro]

Very nice MOD.
I do like the primer bulb idea, as I was thinking of making my own solid square bottle, so the primer bulb was the way I was looking, It is nice to see it in action.
You said you added a check valve for one way flow. I can't make it out in the pics, is it within the bulb.
One last thing.
Are the SKULL WITH WINGS glued on or is it the nut that holds the mod together.