What?? You actually think a minor should be charged with a felony for simple possession of an e cig?? This is insanity.
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What?? You actually think a minor should be charged with a felony for simple possession of an e cig?? This is insanity.
i think its about time this thread closed
I disagree,
A lot of well spoken ladies and gentlemen here,
I wish I knew more about the FDA and its stand on tobacco & vaping.
Pleasure to read most of this thread
I will chime in on one concern,
IMO, we need more transparency when it comes to juices,
Vendors should be obligated by law to list ingredients.
How that is to be enforced by our Government(s) is another kettle of fish though...
You do realize that this punishment does not even exist for cigarettes, right? Even possession of alcohol is a misdemeanor regardless of number of offenses.
I don't think you understand what's at stake here. If a lot of minors vape, I might have to deal with a little regulation from the FDA. There's no way that's permissible, so we need put them in prison for threatening my right to do whatever I want!
A thousand times this ^^^.
The proposed regulations are so far from a reasonable and appropriate process to address the safety of vaping it all needs to be fought by as many people as possible. I believe any other course of action is quite misguided.
It's nice to see so many people agree with this. This will give us the best chance of a better regulatory outcome
While I agree with some of your points, the one I don't agree with is no regulation of juice. This is the one I actually hope is regulated. I'd rather pay a bit more for juice that I know meets strict safety standards. It is after all being inhaled into my lungs to the tune of 3 - 5 ml every day. I buy my juice from my local vape shop and I've been in their lab and they have shown me they use the best and safest ingredients, but we don't know if all sellers of juice go to the same same lengths to ensure a safe product..
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exactly, and now there is a company making actual cigarettes from that leaf, which has for a long time been considered dangerous to the health and behavior of its consumers. im thinking vaping will take a turn for the worst in this regard before it gets better--and im confident it will get better. when, i have no idea.
That's the funny part. No you can't. What is "Natural flavoring"? What makes yellow number 5? Why was it genetically modified and what's the end result nutritionally? How many clues are there on your package suggesting monosodium glutamate yet it's explicitly missing on the ingredients list.
0 grams trans fat on your stick of margarine... lol, must be safe then. Eat all you want.
But the FDA and labels have made the choices clear.
Sent from my device.
I know you're being sarcastic, but when you put it that way, there's actually a lot of sense to this position. I suggest the death penalty for a third offense for anyone caught vaping under the age of 21. This will ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE that kids who vape won't turn to cigarettes later in life. Problem solved!
Probably, most of those kids were little punks anyway, and the world will be a better place as a result of their deaths. GET OFFA MY LAWN!
Yuor kidding, right?
The FDA is not going to regulate juice or hardware? That is not a reasonable regulation expectation unless it is not the FDA doing the regulating.
No I didn't miss it. I just pointing out how out of line your thinking is.
With all due respect, this sounds like one of the mitigating factors contributing to the problems involved with under age smoking. Is it not a reasonable assumption, we no longer hold our children responsible, hence our children are not responsible?
Truth is the parents should be held responsible for at least the first offence, but no one wants to take that responsibility. So we accept that we can offer a false sense of responsibility by giving the Gov control of regulation. Problem is that does not go to the root of the problem, and is only a band aid in the destruction of individual rights and liberties, and responsibilities.
I think you misunderstood my position, if I'm one of the people you are referring to. I would tolerate a sales ban to minors, I just don't think it's necessary, for the reasons you state. I have a daughter, she's four now. I'm hoping that I do a good enough job parenting her that she won't want to pick up habits like smoking or vaping, but I think that responsibility falls on me, not the government.
I admit, I was totally dreaming. About a free country, individual liberty, inalienable rights, and all that rot, :?(
Bring out the Holy Hand Grenade of St. Antioch!
Call me cynical, but I really believe this is the authentic chain of "reasoning" that leads to discussions like this:
America still suffers from its Puritan roots and views any vices as an affront to God. Therefore, anything that benefits sinners or the "morally weak" by mitigating the negative impact of those vices must be a bad thing. By allowing sinners to avoid the risk of cancer without suffering, we are helping them to avoid their just punishment at the hands of an angry God. Vaping allows the sinner to avoid the risk of cancer without suffering the pains of withdrawal, therefore vaping is wrong and must be outlawed. In order to do this, we need to pretend to have a rational reason (separation of church and state, you know), so we'll dig up or manufacture any cockamamie set of "facts" we can find to support the decision that we already believe is the morally correct one. Then, we can do exactly what we were planning to do all along, in the "scientifically proven best interests" of the people.
Currently, we're in the "fact finding" phase, because the FDA hasn't been able to dig up enough cockamamie facts to support the decision they want us to come to yet. But, it's only a matter of time.
The fact that poor people smoke more than rich people, and that vaping therefore helps poor people more than it helps rich people is just gravy. After all, if God loves someone, they wouldn't be poor in the first place.
I'm usually not this cynical, but that's a pretty good read PapaSloth
I would think this whole conversation was absurd, if it wasn't for the numerous members of my generation who languished in prison, in some cases for decades, doing something that is now perfectly legal in Portland.
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