The end of microcoils?

[Lessifer]

Like listing ejuice ingredients on the label?

WTF does that have to do with dry burning of coils?

Vapers tend to be highly defensive about their vaping habits.

When a respected scientist makes a statement like " Do not overheat the coils. It's one of the worst things that you're doing is to burn the coil until it's getting red. Just in order to fix it, to tighten the wraps, to make them, whatever, to see if the heat transfer is homogenous between the coil wraps. It's the most disasterous things you are doing" rather emphatically the community perks up and gets ready to listen. That's what most of this thread was about, people hearing this rather alarming statement and then waiting for an explanation, and some people trying to understand where this statement could be coming from. We are not all scientists, and we are not all metallurgists, but there is a vast array of knowledge here and just like with every other aspect of vaping, we're all trying to understand.

So again, I'll say this, I respect Dr. F but this is not the first time that he has made comments that read as factual statements, but are in fact opinions.

 

[druckle]

Vapers tend to be highly defensive about their vaping habits.

I think serious vapers are even more concerned about helping folks quit smoking than they are about their vaping habits. Any erroneous pure speculation that has the potential to make it more difficult to save lives might be considered to be .... hmmmmm.... not so good.

 

[Magaro]

Those of us who played with titanium before TC existed have given it at least some thought. I don't dry burn titanium; I sorta steam-clean it. I do still dry-burn Kanthal though.

As a babe-in-the-woods newbie, many thanks for blazing a trail for all of us. I did my Masters and PhD on titanium alloys. Titanium is a very, very curious metal. I'm not ready to add it to my vaping toolbox yet, but I'm trying to wrap my head around it.

 

[druckle]

Props and respect from an enthusiastic follower. YOU and your channel introduced me to squonking. Many thanks.

Ah....a confirmed squonker. I'm getting extremely interested in going that route and have decided that I'd like to do it with temperature control. Vapor Flask Squonk and the soon to be available Cloudmakers Whiteout squonking box are candidates to power the effort but there doesn't seem to be a lot of information around on bottom feed atomizers. I have an Origen dripper that I could convert and I've seen some reviews of the Chalice III but I don't know anything real about what else might be good/better/available.

Do you have any hints for a newbie squonker based on your experience?

Duane

 

[druckle]

As a babe-in-the-woods newbie, many thanks for blazing a trail for all of us. I did my Masters and PhD on titanium alloys. Titanium is a very, very curious metal. I'm not ready to add it to my vaping toolbox yet, but I'm trying to wrap my head around it.

Wow...a man after my own heart. I spent my working life developing titanium alloys and processing in the gas turbine industry. Fantastic stuff for a whole lot of uses.

Duane

 

[Katya]

I YouTube, albeit far from big time. My channel is not driven by the need to put stuff over because I feel obligated, rather, I aim to help people get the same rockstar vape that I do.

Funny stuff, I wound, named and published the first "micro coil" here on ECF about 2 years ago. I called it a micro coil because it was small in diameter. This was when tech for coil making involved hand winding around something. For the first micro, I used a picture nail. The wraps were erratic and not in contact, but they looked real close under normal viewing conditions. It vaped much better than the standard 1/8" dia 4 wind coil that was popular back then. Then the YouTube celebs started to make videos about "micro coils" being all about touching wraps. I believe it was Grimm green that made the first "micro coil" video. I got no props and he made anything but a micro coil .

That was about 6 months before I started to make my own vids.

As tech evolved, making contact micro coils became easy.

I just had to drop that here as this is the first micro coil ever made public

View attachment 459605
It started as a thread in the REOsmods forum then the HUGE thread in the then "Rebuildable Atomizer" forum.

Some YouTube celebs have misled so many, and I'm sure they mislead many more.

Thanks for teaching us, Super_X. I've learned a lot from you and with you--and I'm still learning. Even though sometimes both you and Mac do drive me nuts.

I own a gizmo, a pin vise, a cigamajig, and just ordered a coiler. BTW, I really liked your 'gentle' way of pulsing a coiler-made coil.

Keep up the good work. And keep us posted!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

*** does that have to do with dry burning of coils?


When a respected scientist makes a statement like " Do not overheat the coils. It's one of the worst things that you're doing is to burn the coil until it's getting red. Just in order to fix it, to tighten the wraps, to make them, whatever, to see if the heat transfer is homogenous between the coil wraps. It's the most disasterous things you are doing" rather emphatically the community perks up and gets ready to listen. That's what most of this thread was about, people hearing this rather alarming statement and then waiting for an explanation, and some people trying to understand where this statement could be coming from. We are not all scientists, and we are not all metallurgists, but there is a vast array of knowledge here and just like with every other aspect of vaping, we're all trying to understand.

So again, I'll say this, I respect Dr. F but this is not the first time that he has made comments that read as factual statements, but are in fact opinions.

It had to do with the statement that I responded to about having information to make informed decisions about vaping.
If you read the article it referenced other possible safety aspects of vaping.

 

[Magaro]

Ah....a confirmed squonker. I'm getting extremely interested in going that route and have decided that I'd like to do it with temperature control. Vapor Flask Squonk and the soon to be available Cloudmakers Whiteout squonking box are candidates to power the effort but there doesn't seem to be a lot of information around on bottom feed atomizers. I have an Origen dripper that I could convert and I've seen some reviews of the Chalice III but I don't know anything real about what else might be good/better/available.

Do you have any hints for a newbie squonker based on your experience?

Duane

Catfish Atty Mods. Go visit the subform. ALL you need to know. And welcome!

 

[druckle]

Like listing ejuice ingredients on the label?

That would be nice....but I doubt that it's going to happen. What's the phrase? Trade Secret?

 

[Robert Cromwell]

That would be nice....but I doubt that it's going to happen. What's the phrase? Trade Secret?

Food products list them just not the proportions or brands of ingredients, etc.
We are putting ejuice in our bodies and deserve to know what is in them so we can decide to vape them or not.

 

[druckle]

Catfish Atty Mods. Go visit the subform. ALL you need to know. And welcome!

THANK YOU

 

[Lessifer]

Yes, but in the context of this thread it has no place. The data we need, in regards to the discussion here is, what metals are present in vapor from a coil that has been dry burned, as opposed to a coil that has not been dry burned.

As for listing of ingredients, like those on food products, the majority of my liquids already say "natural and artificial flavors"

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Yes, but in the context of this thread it has no place. The data we need, in regards to the discussion here is, what metals are present in vapor from a coil that has been dry burned, as opposed to a coil that has not been dry burned.

As for listing of ingredients, like those on food products, the majority of my liquids already say "natural and artificial flavors"

They do not list the artificial sweeteners which technically are not flavors.

 

[Lessifer]

I YouTube, albeit far from big time. My channel is not driven by the need to put stuff over because I feel obligated, rather, I aim to help people get the same rockstar vape that I do.

Funny stuff, I wound, named and published the first "micro coil" here on ECF about 2 years ago. I called it a micro coil because it was small in diameter. This was when tech for coil making involved hand winding around something. For the first micro, I used a picture nail. The wraps were erratic and not in contact, but they looked real close under normal viewing conditions. It vaped much better than the standard 1/8" dia 4 wind coil that was popular back then. Then the YouTube celebs started to make videos about "micro coils" being all about touching wraps. I believe it was Grimm green that made the first "micro coil" video. I got no props and he made anything but a micro coil .

That was about 6 months before I started to make my own vids.

As tech evolved, making contact micro coils became easy.

I just had to drop that here as this is the first micro coil ever made public

View attachment 459605
It started as a thread in the REOsmods forum then the HUGE thread in the then "Rebuildable Atomizer" forum.

Some YouTube celebs have misled so many, and I'm sure they mislead many more.

Super I just wanted to take a moment and say thank you for all that you've contributed to the vaping world!

Micro coils made it easy and much less frightening for new vapers to pick up an RBA and build a working coil in short order, even if most people get the "micro" part wrong.

 

[Magaro]

I’ve been thinking.

I wonder how hard it would be to find an oppressed minority group that feels like their right to exercise their passion might be in jeopardy. I could profess to be an advocate for their rights and offer to support them in a public forum, based on my "professional qualifications". Of course, in order to do so, I would need specific, identifiable, hot-button "issues" of concern regarding their passion to debunk. If I took the liberty of fabricating imaginary “issues”, and making alarmist proclamations, I might be able to raise these fabricated concerns to a level of serious worry amongst this community. Then I could offer to conduct studies of these "issues", and come up with findings that show them to be of no importance. Heck, I could even use crowd funding methods to solicit my research funding. Very little effort invested for a nice little research budget boost. It shouldn’t be too hard to come up with a continuing string of “concerns”. This could be a nice little income stream.

What am I thinking? This would be immoral. And there’s no way people would continue to fall for it (besides, I don’t have the necessary qualifications). Forget I even mentioned it.

I shouldn’t try to think and drink (and vape) at the same time.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I YouTube, albeit far from big time. My channel is not driven by the need to put stuff over because I feel obligated, rather, I aim to help people get the same rockstar vape that I do.

Funny stuff, I wound, named and published the first "micro coil" here on ECF about 2 years ago. I called it a micro coil because it was small in diameter. This was when tech for coil making involved hand winding around something. For the first micro, I used a picture nail. The wraps were erratic and not in contact, but they looked real close under normal viewing conditions. It vaped much better than the standard 1/8" dia 4 wind coil that was popular back then. Then the YouTube celebs started to make videos about "micro coils" being all about touching wraps. I believe it was Grimm green that made the first "micro coil" video. I got no props and he made anything but a micro coil .

That was about 6 months before I started to make my own vids.

As tech evolved, making contact micro coils became easy.

I just had to drop that here as this is the first micro coil ever made public

View attachment 459605
It started as a thread in the REOsmods forum then the HUGE thread in the then "Rebuildable Atomizer" forum.

Some YouTube celebs have misled so many, and I'm sure they mislead many more.

Yes and thanks again for your inspiration Russ. That, alumina, ceramic wicking, strain and all the great contributors here provided me the motivation to quit and pay it back. Agree with you on the lack of ack. A fine receding internet tradition which made me feel welcome here when I arrived.

Good luck.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Thanks, Flamingo!

So I read it--twice... Oh, Senhor Pedro Carvalho...The article reminded me again that the Caravelas are the most beautiful mods ever created--by anyone--anywhere...

Other than that, in the words of Dr. Farsalinos, "Unless tested, how would someone know?"

Gawd that's one beautiful setup. Lucky basterd...

 

[BrentMydland]

Thanks a lot for a transcript. Even in worst nightmare I would not watch vape-related video for 1+ hour.

A lot of useful info.

BUT as a (former) metallurgist I do know about metals and I have to say that all what was said about metals is not worth any attention. It was all wrong. It was even said "you are basically destroying the bonds between the metal molecules", which is just funny for a metallurgist: metals do not have molecules and heating does not destroy bonds. For kanthal heating is very useful thing. You should dry burn your kanthal coils to make them healthier. First, you remove contaminations - no solvent can remove them as good as dry burning. Second, you form good protective layer on a wire.
Just an example when specialist is trying to discuss things in which he is not a specialist.
Please, dry burn your kanthal coils. Please, do not overheat them while vaping (including legs).

I dont know where you are getting your info from but metals most certainly have molecules lol.

 

[Ryedan]

What am I thinking? This would be immoral. And there’s no way people would continue to fall for it (besides, I don’t have the necessary qualifications). Forget I even mentioned it.

I shouldn’t try to think and drink (and vape) at the same time.

Aw heck, go for it Magaro. I for one enjoy a good conspiracy theory once in a while

 

[Ryedan]

I dont know where you are getting your info from but metals most certainly have molecules lol.

You either didn't read this thread, missed it, or have not Googled that yet.