The end of microcoils?

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Underwhelmed

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If it is the real Pedro Carvalho and he's a supplier here, why would that be an account opened today? Asking just out of pure curiosity and not trying to instigate anything.
No clue, but if it is THE Pedro Carvalho and he posted anything here he would be immediately Moved On for not being a Registered Supplier here, so it's a catch 22.

Given that his reply to Vwls was just posted here, I'm gonna bet it's him.
 

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Actually.

I believe that a Registered Supplier can post in a Thread like this. As long as He/She does NOT Post anything about their Business. Or Post Anything that could be Perceived as Promoting their Business.

But I could be Wrong.

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If I was the real Pedro Carvalho, I Wouldn't Post in this Thread.
 

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That's true, but could a supplier not use their supplier account to read and watch other threads in the forum? I was under the impression you could only have 1 account here and it made me curious which is why I'm asking all of this, thanks for the answers.

Sure...

Registered Suppliers browse ECF Threads Constantly.
 

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That's true, but could a supplier not use their supplier account to read and watch other threads in the forum? I was under the impression you could only have 1 account here and it made me curious which is why I'm asking all of this, thanks for the answers.
I guess it could be a fake/imposter account, the timing just seems suspect.

Does Pedro still have a Supplier account here? I don't keep up with mechs at all.
 

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Obviously the bulk of resistive wire will change with a heat treatment, increase of grain size, solid solution, crystallization or re-crystallization, etc.

Actually, all of them will undergo some of these changes, but let's move on.

What could represent a problem is the formation of oxides layer in the surface of the metal/alloy. The thickness and composition of this layer will depend on the temperature and duration of the heat treatment and type of resistive wire. In some cases like kanthal, a "light" heat treatment can be beneficial, but a longer heat treatment can eliminate the oxide protection layer.

Why do these oxides present a problem? Can you elaborate?

In principle, hexavalent chromium formation requires a higher temperature than 1000 Celsius degrees, but without scientific data, we cannot exclude this possibility.

There's actually a pretty huge body of scientific data that documents the temperature of formation of hexavalent chromium for different alloys in different environments. Cr(VI) is a huge health concern so it's been studied to death (no pun intended).

Any heat treatment that causes the coil to turn red can easily exceed 900 Celsius degrees; this promotes the formation of an oxide layer (inclusively destroying the protective layer as aluminum oxide or titanium oxide). Since we have no scientific data regarding composition/adhesion, or the possible reactions of this oxide layer with the high variety of juices, IMO if its use could be avoided, in general, it would be beneficial.

A coil will glow red WAY before 900C, but whatever.

So let me get this straight: you are hypothesizing that eliquid is, for example, reacting with aluminum oxide at vaping temperatures to cause decomposition of the oxide? Do you have any proposed mechanism for how these simple low pH juices might be breaking down this extremely stable oxide?

Soon I will start a start a study to determine the dependence of temperature/duration of the heat treatment on the composition, thickness and adhesion of these oxide layers. I have always believed that is better to be safe than sorry, and given in the lack of scientific data, I would recommend minimizing all heat treatment to any resistive wire, and avoiding extended and repetitive heat treatment.

So, if I understand correctly, we should basically try to prevent our coils from forming any oxide, or at least any oxide thick enough to provide corrosion protection? I think I'll pass on this advice.
 

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Is that Really Necessary?

Is WHAT really necessary? I was simply pointing out that it could very likely be someone other than the Pedro Carvalho we have been discussing who created this account. And that they could be trolling this 31 page thread just to see what sort of response they can get.
 

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I assure you that the letter is from the real Pedro; he is a long time friend. The new account was him but it would not allow him to post (new member regulations) - this is why he asked me to post it for him. He is not a registered supplier on ECF and no longer has the account he had here years ago.
 

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Is WHAT really necessary? I was simply pointing out that it could very likely be someone other than the Pedro Carvalho we have been discussing who created this account. And that they could be trolling this 31 page thread just to see what sort of response they can get.

OK...

But some could see it as a Thinly Veiled Slam of a person's character.
 

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So, if I understand correctly, we should basically try to prevent our coils from forming any oxide, or at least any oxide thick enough to provide corrosion protection? I think I'll pass on this advice.

This is not my field so I might be totally wrong but my guess is that he's more concerned about the oxide layer starting to flake off (if thick enough) than with the oxidation by itself?

I remember seeing a Ti coil that had been continously pulse burned for some time (something one just shouldn't do) and it had a VERY thick layer of grey, dull titanium dioxide. I remember some pics showing the oxide flaking off rather easily.

This doesn't seem to happen with minimal thick oxide layers?

Just a guess... :)

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Do you have any proposed mechanism for how these simple low pH juices might be breaking down this extremely stable oxide?

This issue actually interests me enormously. Our ejuices are not that innocent--some flavorings, like cinnamon, citrus and banana, for example, are known to crack, fog up and even completely melt polycarbonate tanks. I can provide pictures upon request.

I have no idea what they can do to the stable oxide, if anything, especially at elevated temperatures, but it is most certainly worth investigating.
 

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This is not my field so I might be totally wrong but my guess is that he's more concerned about the oxide layer starting to flake off (if thick enough) than with the oxidation by itself?

I remember seeing a Ti coil that had been continously pulse burned for some time (something one just shouldn't do) and it had a VERY thick layer of grey, dull titanium dioxide. I remember some pics showing the oxide flaking off rather easily.

This doesn't seem to happen with minimal thick oxide layers?

Just a guess... :)

Regards
Tony

Sent from my keyboard through my phone or something like that.

Not only that. Another issue is, really, how many casual and unsuspecting coil builders actually achieve proper oxidation of their coils? Watching some of those instructional videos that Dr. F mentioned in the interview, I'd guess very few...
 
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