the end of vapeing as we know it??
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Doom and gloom has always been part of the board. I blame it on the problems people are self medicating with nicotine for. Also new people who haven't taken the time to learn about all the DIY aspects. Like said above, knowledge is power.
What makes you think the medical device ecig wouldn't be more like an eVic which is way more advanced than any cigalike?
A puff counter that shuts your device down so you have to buy a new one or a puff counter that keeps track of your day to day use? Which one seems like it's there to help the patient and which one seems like it's there to help line the corporate pockets?
Which one do you think would test as having cleaner vapor, burning poly filler or liquid on a coil?
I realize governments around the world are coming out of the closet about their corporate ownership but if we keep calling them on it (and lose the partisan crap where we overlook it when it's "our" party doing it) they will at least go back into the closet or risk civil unrest.
George Washington warned to not form opposing political parties when he decided not to run for a third term because eventually they would represent their own interest (and power) and not the people's.
We could hold a Million Vaper March.
It would look like a fog bank rolling in on Washington.
It would look like a fog bank rolling in on Washington.
You got me there.
But in a rational fairy tale world where governments weren't all about lining their pockets or Joyetech would line those pockets like BT/BP the eVic type ecigs are a lot closer to being a medical device than any cigalike.
FDA can't apply the UK model and regulate e-cigs as a medicine. They tried, but were sued by Soretta (NJOY manufacturer). FDA had tried to regulate using the Food Drug and Cosmetic Act, which they use to regulate nicotine patches, gum and drugs like Chantix. The court found that the e-cig manufacturers weren't marketing them as smoking cessation (i.e., therapeutic) products and that they therefore fell under the authority Congress granted in the Tobacco Act, after a landmark US Supreme Court decision called FDA vs Brown & Williamson. The ruling and injunction forbidding EPA to regulate e-cigs as medicinal compounds or devices was upheld by the appellate court and FDA chose not to appeal to SCOTUS.
However, it is unlikely that Congress and FDA won't eventually find some way to regulate e-cig products. After all, nicotine is an addictive substance, but it is still legal to grow, process, manufacture and sell tobacco products in the US. That is likely never going to change, so e-cigs and associated products aren't ever likely going to be banned, either.
There may be rules against sales to minors (which I support). There may be interim rules by state and local governments to make vaping in public places illegal (which I do not support). There may be federally recommended standards for quality control during the manufacture of the liquid and the devices used to vaporize them (hmmm). But an outright ban isn't gonna happen. It's infeasible.
However, it is unlikely that Congress and FDA won't eventually find some way to regulate e-cig products. After all, nicotine is an addictive substance, but it is still legal to grow, process, manufacture and sell tobacco products in the US. That is likely never going to change, so e-cigs and associated products aren't ever likely going to be banned, either.
There may be rules against sales to minors (which I support). There may be interim rules by state and local governments to make vaping in public places illegal (which I do not support). There may be federally recommended standards for quality control during the manufacture of the liquid and the devices used to vaporize them (hmmm). But an outright ban isn't gonna happen. It's infeasible.
Our PV's ain't going anywhere! It's all about the nicotine. You can buy a {deleted} in any city in uk, and we know what that's for. Yup still illegal and banned out right here. Not the end of vaping as far as I'm concerned. Not by a long shot!
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Caffeine is addictive. It seems to me the best argument to keep them unregulated is arguing it's no worse (or not much worse) than that unregulated substance.
As far as not banning, yeah you are right but add to that big tobacco now has a horse in the race which almost guarantees ecigs won't be banned.
In the long run, this is probably the ONLY argument that can turn things around.
Only if there are legitimate studies that place the two chemicals on even footing. And even then, you're going to have to overcome the negative impressions that the word nicotine brings to mind.
When they were limiting and banning smoking in different areas, I never fought because I believed smoking was bad for me and those around me. I do believe and hope that we WILL fight for vaping to continue as we know it. I feel like the powers that be thought we would roll over and let them do whatever they decide. We surprised the hell out of them by fighting back. The more people that lend their voices to the fight, the stronger the chance we have to win. We are winning some of the small battles that are taking place. Those are just the precursor to the large battle ahead with the FDA. The more small wins we collect, the better chance we have.
I will not give up and let the government decide what I use to better my health. I want the right to decide for myself what works best for me! With all the times and different methods I've tried to stop smoking, this is THE only one that has even come close to succeeding. 8 months and still going strong.
This may be unrealistic to some, it is not to me. If you chose to let others decide what is best for you...... I just don't know how to respond to that without crossing the line of forum rules. By not fighting, you ARE choosing to let others decide your fate with vaping while at the same time weakening our position.
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I will not give up and let the government decide what I use to better my health. I want the right to decide for myself what works best for me! With all the times and different methods I've tried to stop smoking, this is THE only one that has even come close to succeeding. 8 months and still going strong.
This may be unrealistic to some, it is not to me. If you chose to let others decide what is best for you...... I just don't know how to respond to that without crossing the line of forum rules. By not fighting, you ARE choosing to let others decide your fate with vaping while at the same time weakening our position.
Off soapbox.
I think there is more than enough information out there to make this argument in a way that most of the public should understand.
This is the hard part, and something I personally think we should all be working on.
Vaping isn't going anywhere, as the courts have decided. I think big tobacco will take it over as more people switch over to vaping from smoking. Picture prefilled Blu cartos where Newports are in gas stations.
But...
There will always be a cottage industry. Pretty much every product type has its enthusiasts. Companies like Sony rule the stereo world, but there's still a lot of cottage industry stereo manufacturers who cater to a non-mass market audience. Schwinn or Huffy may rule the bicycle world, but there's a ton of enthusiast's companies making bikes. If you look up any product, you're almost guaranteed to find hobbyist gear that's so much better than the mass-market crap. Lets say 95% of smokers switched to vaping; just about all of them would buy Blu (or the like) starter kits and pre-filled cartos. But there would always be a strong group which doesn't buy anything/whatever is most convenient. Even if that crowd represented 1% of all gapers, that'll still be enough people to support a solid amount of independent/mom and pop businesses. Some of the current suppliers will go belly up, but the best ones will remain.
But...
There will always be a cottage industry. Pretty much every product type has its enthusiasts. Companies like Sony rule the stereo world, but there's still a lot of cottage industry stereo manufacturers who cater to a non-mass market audience. Schwinn or Huffy may rule the bicycle world, but there's a ton of enthusiast's companies making bikes. If you look up any product, you're almost guaranteed to find hobbyist gear that's so much better than the mass-market crap. Lets say 95% of smokers switched to vaping; just about all of them would buy Blu (or the like) starter kits and pre-filled cartos. But there would always be a strong group which doesn't buy anything/whatever is most convenient. Even if that crowd represented 1% of all gapers, that'll still be enough people to support a solid amount of independent/mom and pop businesses. Some of the current suppliers will go belly up, but the best ones will remain.
Those that don't intend to fight, if need be, are choosing to let others decide MY fate as well.
And if that time comes, I'll have some choice words for them too.
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I only got offended about being restricted with smoking at out-door venues. I completely understood enclosed areas, but was annoyed about being in my own car, that I paid the payment on, but was told I couldn't smoke at work in it? I always tried to be respectful that others might be bothered by my smoking, so I tried to be compliant.
I haven't had a whole lot of experience with vaping outside. I have not tried it in a restaurant, grocery store, Walmart (although anything goes there right?). But I do know this, I have not smoked a single cigarette since April 10, 2013 and that is a success that has lasted longer than chantix, cold turkey and being pregnant
. I need to be informed, educated, and helpful...I have just joined the CASAA after reading your post
All of this is based on the assumption that they will just leave free-roaming nicotine juice alone?
Somehow, believe it or not, government has a way of leaving loopholes in their laws. As much as cars are regulated in safety, emissions, etc., if you manufacture under a certain number of cars per time period, you're exempt. Very small businesses (relatively speaking) get some exemptions that large corporations don't get. That can be interpreted as protecting the little guy.
But let's just say all the doomsday neigh-sayers end up being right in the end and all forms of nicotine are completely banned for anyone other than people making Blu cig alike type stuff. Ever think of quitting? It's not like nicotine is some healthy wonder-drug. I'd rather keep my money than vape it, but that's just me. I don't plan on vaping the rest of my life.
Then again, I didn't plan on smoking for 20 years, so maybe I should rethink that one.
This is a prime example of why "You always get under my skin, but I don't find it irritating", Ms Robin. Stay on your soap box, this is no time to sit down and shut up, this is a time to stand up and shout.
We will not stand alone, it is not a lost cause. This is a fight worth an all-out effort.
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