the end of vapeing as we know it??

[HauntedMyst]

Big tobacco enters the industry.
More people quit smoking
The government taxes e-cigs.
More of those discover advanced vaping.
juice vendors increase their business.
The government tries to tax e-liquid based on volume.
Juice vendors side step this tax by selling their juices separately from the tobacco base.
Advanced users mix the two when they arrive.
Big tobacco tries releasing ejuice with limited results because no one trusts what in there.
Prices get pushed down by volume and increased market.
Everyone wins except big tobacco in the short term - they become a stepping stone rather than a long term market for most.

 

[DC2]

Ever think of quitting? It's not like nicotine is some healthy wonder-drug.

Absolutely not. I don't ever think of quitting, have no intention of ever quitting, and seriously doubt I ever will.
Not unless someone eventually succeeds in finding some kind of significant harm that might come from it.

And I disagree with you about nicotine...

Nicotine improves memory, concentration, and attention.
The World Anti-Doping Agency is currently consider whether to add it to the list of banned substances as a performance-enhancing drug.

It is also being looked at very closely as something that can help prevent Alheimer's and Parkinson's.
And a LOT of people may very well be using nicotine to self-medicate for things like ADHD or depression.

 

[JR 137]

The most realistic scenario to happen will be:

Big tobacco will corner the market
Vapes will be taxed as cigarettes/cigars, chew, etc
Online sales will be banned, or sellers will have to charge your locale's tax

There's too much money to be made by some and lost by others. The "some" and "others" are big tobacco and Uncle Sam, in any order.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Absolutely not. I don't ever think of quitting, have no intention of ever quitting, and seriously doubt I ever will.
Not unless someone eventually succeeds in finding some kind of significant harm that might come from it.

And I disagree with you about nicotine...

Nicotine improves memory, concentration, and attention.
The World Anti-Doping Agency is currently consider whether to add it to the list of banned substances as a performance-enhancing drug.

It is also being looked at very closely as something that can help prevent Alheimer's and Parkinson's.
And a LOT of people may very well be using nicotine to self-medicate for things like ADHD or depression.

I treat my ADHD with it (and caffeine). It's much better for my sypmtoms than Adderall or Ritalin ever was. I will never, ever quit.

It is a drug we are just starting to understand.

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[DC2]

Big tobacco will corner the market
Vapes will be taxed as cigarettes/cigars, chew, etc
Online sales will be banned, or sellers will have to charge your locale's tax

I don't disagree with that necessarily.

My concern is that they will "ban" free-roaming nicotine for "safety" reasons.
And if that happens, vaping as we know it will be forever changed for the worse.

 

[Tebo]

This is a prime example of why "You always get under my skin, but I don't find it irritating", Ms Robin. Stay on your soap box, this is no time to sit down and shut up, this is a time to stand up and shout.

We will not stand alone, it is not a lost cause. This is a fight worth an all-out effort.

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I am not sure what to really do 90% of the time besides write testimonials to CASAA when they ask, other than rant on here with the rest of ya

I agree with everything your saying, but give some examples to further fight this, because IDK any & wanna contribute

& I'm ...... off ATM, I can never get pluid in my country again atm

 

[retired1]

You write your congress critter (or in your case, the ...... who waste air in Ottawa). You write your local MP. You get everyone you know who vapes to do the same.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Hmmm, I don't know your talent, Tebo, so its tough for me to tell you what to do.

But we all need to be well versed on nicotine. Do your research, get the facts in your head. Attend the CASAA meetings, some great information is there.

Learn about the FDA. They are a big, clumsy, mistake prone bureaucracy. Research their mistakes, find out how they are staffed. Be ready to skewer them, for they are our enemy in the fight to come.

That should get you started....

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[DC2]

I am not sure what to really do 90% of the time besides write testimonials to CASAA when they ask, other than rant on here with the rest of ya

I agree with everything your saying, but give some examples to further fight this, because IDK any & wanna contribute

& I'm ...... off ATM, I can never get pluid in my country again atm

This is just my opinion, hopefully other's have better ones...

The most important thing we can do here in the United States (at this time) is make our feelings clear to politicians at the local, state and federal levels.
Meeting with them in person is awesome. Writing letters is better than faxing. Faxing is far better than emailing.

But one thing we can always do is give our testimonials in the comments section of articles.



Oh, and the most important thing of all, to me, is to educate everyone around me.
And make sure they understand how important this is for not only myself, but millions of other's who still smoke.

 

[Chikenbok]

Property is Theft.

No Gods, No Masters.

The revolution is not a dinner party.

 

[JR 137]

If the FDA was smart, this is what they'd truly do -
Realize tobacco use will never be eliminated
Stop the tobacco companies from putting all the crap they put in cigarettes, dip, etc.

Tobacco (especially burning tobacco) isn't good for you by any means. If it was pure tobacco without the additives and fillers, it wouldn't be anywhere nearly as bad. Due to most of the additives, if cigarettes were ....... 20 years ago, they're crack ....... today.

They should also ban all the crap that the food industry feeds us. They're one step above big tobacco IMO.

They'd do those things if they weren't a worthless shell of an organization. Our tax dollars at work protecting us.

Edit: Somehow the white power drug that people commonly snort's name was censored from my post. Censorship sucks! Context, anyone?

 

[ShogaNinja]

Does that include growing tobacco and performing extractions? How can we see the handbook?

I won't get into the extraction process because of legality and safety issues, but nicotine can be gotten as a medicine/chemical from all over the world and there really is no need to extract your own. As for the handbook it's linked in my signature of every post, including this one.

 

[ShogaNinja]

It's important that all of you realize that YouTube is a source of information for all things. If you don't know how to do it, get searching. There are many videos about how to make your own e-cig from parts, and many websites on the interwebz with schematics, etc.

The one thing that I want to emphasize more than anything is SAFETY!
We're pretty sure at this point that the guy who blew off half his face in Florida about a year ago was using improper batteries in a homemade ecig.

 

[mad maori]

heaps of interesting comments people- nice- here in n.z. there are not a lot of people who vape- the people who i have turned on to vapeing have been so grateful - i wont stop telling people about vapeing now or in the future even if laws here change for the worse.. if i have to go and have a vape on the steps of parliment i will.. hehe

 

[gully]

Vaping in NZ is fine under current legislation,except for the problem of getting newbies comfortable with importing and mixing.

What happens in the US,Europe matters cause our politicians will do what the Yanks tell them to,eg all our illegal substance policies are straight from the Regan era.

I plan on visiting every MP I can get to and telling my story once I'm confident with my speil.

Hone and Turi want us smokefree by 2025,is not vaping about the only way that can be achieved?

How involved are you on the Marae?Thats always struck me as a great way to spread the word.

 

[wv2win]

I wrote the Vaper's Handbook in order to teach people how to make their own juice and atomizers so they never have to fear a hostile takeover. Knowledge is power. They will never ban the parts, chemicals, and batteries needed to vape. You can't uninvent something. Once the knowledge exists it can never be stopped. Teach yourself and you will never be afraid again, no matter what happens to the industry.

They could easily make it impossible to get nicotine. And from what I have read, very few would be willing or able to extract nicotine from tobacco leaves.

 

[wv2win]

I won't get into the extraction process because of legality and safety issues, but nicotine can be gotten as a medicine/chemical from all over the world and there really is no need to extract your own. As for the handbook it's linked in my signature of every post, including this one.

Again, you are kidding yourself if you think the US government could not prevent anyone from getting nicotine. You appear to have not been around in 2009 when hundreds of thousands of dollars in vaping supplies were confiscated in the mail by the FDA. And they were not even trying hard back then. And no one got their money back.

 

[Myk]

And even then, you're going to have to overcome the negative impressions that the word nicotine brings to mind.

This is the hard part, and something I personally think we should all be working on.

Another reason I tell people my story of quitting nicotine and having Ulcerative Colitis flare bad enough to send me to the ER and get diagnosed for the first time at 49 in spite of having GI issues as early as 9 months and having GI tests at ages 14 & 20.

Take away my nicotine and threaten my life or at least threaten the quality of my life. "If it saves even one life" includes me.

 

[mad maori]

Vaping in NZ is fine under current legislation,except for the problem of getting newbies comfortable with importing and mixing.

What happens in the US,Europe matters cause our politicians will do what the Yanks tell them to,eg all our illegal substance policies are straight from the Regan era.

I plan on visiting every MP I can get to and telling my story once I'm confident with my speil.

Hone and Turi want us smokefree by 2025,is not vaping about the only way that can be achieved?

How involved are you on the Marae?Thats always struck me as a great way to spread the word.

you are bang-on there mate!!! we always seem to do what the yanks want us to do..GSB-spy agency ect..its like the little bro trying to prove his worth to big brother!!! one problem ive noticed here is getting the cuzzie and bro's to fork out the $$ for a kit. then the hassle of importing nic and mixing or getting juice. they want it straight away.. if we were able to buy locally (nic ejuice) i think more people here would vape.. i meet a social worker a few months back, he works with troubled youth, he said they smoke all the time and was impressed with the whole vapeing thing and said its a pitty he cant introduce vapeing to them as a alternitave!!!

 

[Myk]

All of this is based on the assumption that they will just leave free-roaming nicotine juice alone?

Like I said in another thread at some point;
Make an ecig out of an airbrush and sell "Prefilled 30ml tanks" that come ready to unscrew the lid and screw on to your "vapebrush".

If they require filler make it 40ml and pack it with filler that people can remove and syringe dry.

Ever think of quitting? It's not like nicotine is some healthy wonder-drug. I'd rather keep my money than vape it, but that's just me. I don't plan on vaping the rest of my life..

Thought of it. Tried it. Bled a lot. It may not be a wonder drug for you but that doesn't apply to everyone.
I'd rather keep my colon and not crap into a bag attached to a hole in my belly and leak stomach acids on my skin, but that's just me.

I don't plan on quitting nicotine until using it causes more of a threat to my health than not using it does.