the end of vapeing as we know it??

[EddardinWinter]

This is not the case. I'm not doing citations etc coz I can't be bothered, I have to teach, grade, lesson plan, clean the house etc. if I found the most up to date research on why they do not want to use nic but use a 'sister molecule' I don't see why anyone else can't, seeing as they seem so sure of what they think they know. I don't do cut n paste arguments that go on forever, it's boring. Thread unsubscribed from. Yes because I'm clearly barking mad, sure, go for it.

Perfect stopping point.

Six or seven pecksniffian lectures, zero citations. Additionally, mule-like digging in for his original positions. Coupled with a flat refusal to consider changing them!

All while relentlessly destroying any sympathy he might have engendered. Accomplished with poor language choices, a tone deaf delivery, and peppered with dismissive labelling of those who disagree.

A lesser man would feel defeated. Not Hotwire, he already knows he is right. A rare man who has time to pontificate to no end, but never to cite.

I hope I never get that "smart".

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[EddardinWinter]

And now for something completely different...

Should be "and now for something completely awesome". I see what you did there!


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[Robino1]

I was surprised to see this thread still open this morning.

*sigh*

I fear it won't be for very long.

I would have liked to see concrete evidence of what Hotwire was speaking of myself. I do realize that there are two sides to everything and am always curious about those two sides. As Hotwire stated that he is too busy to post those links, I too am too busy to look for them. More so because I have no idea where to begin.

 

[Talyon]

I was surprised to see this thread still open this morning.

*sigh*

I fear it won't be for very long.

I would have liked to see concrete evidence of what Hotwire was speaking of myself. I do realize that there are two sides to everything and am always curious about those two sides. As Hotwire stated that he is too busy to post those links, I too am too busy to look for them. More so because I have no idea where to begin.

If Hotwire had any true imperical data from studies done by reputable chemists etal I'm sure he would have posted them long time ago. Also I'm sure he would have those links bookmarked and copied to a file on computer for quick access. But alas plenty of time to berate, none to copy and paste.

 

[EddardinWinter]

If Hotwire had any true imperical data from studies done by reputable chemists etal I'm sure he would have posted them long time ago. Also I'm sure he would have those links bookmarked and copied to a file on computer for quick access. But alas plenty of time to berate, none to copy and paste.

You are a fine poet, and we all should know it.
Calling out the clean facts, and slipping silly attacks.
Not gettin' snowed, and the fields have been sowed.
So now you haters beware, Taylon sees what you did there!

 

[Sm0kyBlue]

okies okies.. now.. back to the normal scheduled postings of what to do if the world stops vapors from vaporizing...

ahhh lions and tigers.. oh my!! Gota loves them all!!!

**passes the coffee and cream and cookies out..

 

[Robino1]

okies okies.. now.. back to the normal scheduled postings of what to do if the world stops vapors from vaporizing...

ahhh lions and tigers.. oh my!! Gota loves them all!!!

**passes the coffee and cream and cookies out..

I think this thread needs more sugar also.

 

[Sm0kyBlue]

hmm brown sugar, or just a lil em??

thing is.. what would happen if.. say a power outage, lasting more than a week, or worse.. has anyone looked at this from that angle??

 

[AgentAnia]

thing is.. what would happen if.. say a power outage, lasting more than a week, or worse.. has anyone looked at this from that angle??

All my umpteen backup batteries would come into play, as would the small X-Power gizmo that would charge those umpteen batteries at least once, as would the solar charger I'm in the process of researching! I live in hurricane country so extended power outages always figure in my planning!

This is one reason I'm thinking of investing in an APV that takes rechargeable batteries.

 

[fabricator4]

wow check out this dribble!!!! brought to you by the MHRA

UK moves towards safe and effective electronic cigarettes and other nicotine containing products - YouTube

Hey, I made top comment on that video (I am 'Chrisamic')

Yes it's dribble. My PV's are _very_ effective thank you very much. My DIY juice currently costs < $2 per week and I don't really want any govt or health authority messing with what I am currently doing.

Of the 213 people who voted on that video, I'd really like to know who the one single clot was that gave it a thumbs up.

 

[EddardinWinter]

No big deal. I have a generator and a stock of gas I rotate through my cars, so a week without power or even gas would only be a big inconvenience to me if it was extremely hot. At ten days my plan starts to break down.

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[Myk]

And candidly, I think it's a really bad plan to ever state online what medications one is taking,

Why is that?
I know from experience that when I mention Xanax in an open unrelated venue like this or with FB friends odds are great that I'm going to get someone who acts like I'm buying it on the street and taking large doses with a bottle of booze rather than a rare small dose under a doctor's care. I know in a more specific group like CCFA if I mention Apriso someone else says how they died on it 6 times.
But what's the really bad part?

This is not the case. I'm not doing citations etc coz I can't be bothered, I have to teach, grade, lesson plan, clean the house etc. if I found the most up to date research on why they do not want to use nic but use a 'sister molecule' I don't see why anyone else can't, seeing as they seem so sure of what they think they know. I don't do cut n paste arguments that go on forever, it's boring. Thread unsubscribed from. Yes because I'm clearly barking mad, sure, go for it.

Or because the last time you did so they were found out to not be nicotine studies but tobacco studies from ANTZ and you're still using the same studies maybe?

I was surprised to see this thread still open this morning.

*sigh*

I fear it won't be for very long.

I would have liked to see concrete evidence of what Hotwire was speaking of myself. I do realize that there are two sides to everything and am always curious about those two sides. As Hotwire stated that he is too busy to post those links, I too am too busy to look for them. More so because I have no idea where to begin.

I would guess highly cherry picked from Wiki to say what he wants and ignore what he doesn't without consideration to where the studies come from or what they were actually about. That's what they were before and they haven't changed tune.

I've been reading real nicotine and Ulcerative Colitis studies for a year and have not seen mention of dire dangers or any hand wringing over nicotine being a dirty chemical. The negatives are the same negatives many experience when starting out smoking, or some smokers experience on NRT, not major life threatening events as put off here.

hmm brown sugar, or just a lil em??

thing is.. what would happen if.. say a power outage, lasting more than a week, or worse.. has anyone looked at this from that angle??

I was worried about that but now, 2 18650's = at least 3 days, 9 eGo-C batteries 1000mah = approx 4-9 days. Laptop should be good for at least a couple recharges. And if worse comes to worse I take my chargers to someone's house or generator.
A week is the worst I've had with a nearby tornado. Usually 3 days is the average worst outage we get.

 

[DC2]

Just simply - no to all of the above. I've seen many posts with people having reactions to vaping such as gastro intestinal, insomnia, anxiety and so have you, as I've seen you post in them!

And my point is that those reactions are not that dangerous, and generally only associated with overindulgence.
You apparently have adverse reactions at much lower doses than the average person.

I still support vaping as harm reduction and intend to keep at it! That's the part you can't seem to drill into your head. I know the FACTS and am able to accept them without it hurting my ego (no pun intended) unlike others.

Once again you are confusing me with one of the many other people who have disagreed with you.
I have never said, nor even implied, that you do not support vaping or harm reduction.

And it is a powerful cns stimulant, anyone thinking otherwise (I'll go beyond idiot) is an utter barking mad blithering idiot.

Nobody said it wasn't, but my point is so what?

Stop blathering on about bloody ANTZ conspiracy bs - it's embarrassing.

I can't imagine any single person that has been here as long as you have that would say that.
Seriously, I can't even imagine it.

Now go read up on caffeine and nicotine and how they make your brain react and educate yourself come back and say 'oh yeah hotwire was right it is a poor and EMBARRASSING comparison for vapers to be making in order to support their cause!

I HAVE read up on comparisons between caffeine and nicotine.

If you want me to agree that they do not have the EXACT same effects I will agree.
If you want me to agree that they do not have the same mechanisms of action on the brain I will agree.

None of that is the point though.

--They are both stimulants that people have a desire to use
--They have fairly similar risk profiles
--One is socially accepted and one is highly demonized

That is the point of the comparison.

By they way, there are renowned doctors and researchers all over the world making the same comparison for this very cause.
I sort of doubt they are embarrassed about doing so, nor do I believe they would feel it is a poor analogy.

 

[fabricator4]

Ask Schrödinger's cat.

I would, but I can't find her. Does she even exist?

 

[Penn]

I would, but I can't find her. Does she even exist?

Ah yes, the twist I thought of the first time I heard of the cat. Not only do we not know if it is live or dead, but does it actually exist?

Those godforsaken existentialist thoughts sometimes actually do apply to existence.

 

[fabricator4]

This is not the case. I'm not doing citations etc coz I can't be bothered, I have to teach, grade, lesson plan, clean the house etc. if I found the most up to date research on why they do not want to use nic but use a 'sister molecule' I don't see why anyone else can't, seeing as they seem so sure of what they think they know. I don't do cut n paste arguments that go on forever, it's boring. Thread unsubscribed from. Yes because I'm clearly barking mad, sure, go for it.

Was this supposed to be a convincing argument? I'm surprised that you bothered to italicize that you can't be bothered.

Here's a slightly more convincing argument to rebut your scaremongering. You see, the American Academy of Neurology seems to think that nicotine may actually be a good thing:

Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in Neurodegenerative Disorders

Dyskinesia and impulsivity in Parkinson disease, cognitive defects in attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), and now attention and memory in mild cognitive impairment (MCI): the list of reported neurological benefits just keeps growing in animal and human studies of nicotine.

The latest study, published in the Jan. 10 Neurology, involved 67 subjects with amnestic MCI randomized for six months to either placebo or 15 mg per day of transdermal nicotine. The results found “significant nicotine-associated improvements in attention, memory, and psychomotor speed,” with excellent safety and tolerability.

“The idea that nicotine would have positive therapeutic effects on brain function is still a novel idea to a lot of people,” said the senior author of the paper, Paul Newhouse, MD, professor of psychiatry, pharmacology and medicine, and director of the Center for Cognitive Medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville.

“Nicotine obviously carries a lot of baggage,” he told Neurology Today, “but this paper is based on work we started doing in the late 1980s on the beneficial effects of nicotine in Alzheimer disease. There are now clinical trials of nicotine in Parkinson disease. What we're trying to discover is the range of benefits.”

Dr. Newhouse has previously published studies showing that nicotine improves cognitive defects in young adults with ADHD.

“Nicotinic receptors in the brain appear to work by regulating other receptor systems, like a gain amplifier,” he said. “If you're sleepy, it tends to make you more alert. If you're anxious, it tends to calm you. Obviously the results of small studies often aren't replicated in larger studies, but at least nicotine certainly looks safe. And we've seen absolutely no withdrawal symptoms. There doesn't seem to be any abuse liability whatsoever in taking nicotine by patch in non-smokers. That's reassuring.”

Full article here: January 19, 2012 - Volume 12 - Issue 2 : Neurology Today

 

[Papacrane]

Good stuff in here....makes me proud to be a vaper, seems people of good, strong character like Eddard (the lion avitar) and Robin among others have that fighting spirit that made the USA what it is. For how long its up to people like us as the Govt continues to encroach.

 

[DC2]

Obviously the results of small studies often aren't replicated in larger studies, but at least nicotine certainly looks safe. And we've seen absolutely no withdrawal symptoms. There doesn't seem to be any abuse liability whatsoever in taking nicotine by patch in non-smokers. That's reassuring.”

January 19, 2012 - Volume 12 - Issue 2 : Neurology Today

Thanks for posting that!

I had heard that there were studies showing very low addictive potential in using the patch for other medical reasons.
But every time I try to look for those studies I can't find them.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Good stuff in here....makes me proud to be a vaper, seems people of good, strong character like Eddard (the lion avitar) and Robin among others have that fighting spirit that made the USA what it is. For how long its up to people like us as the Govt continues to encroach.

Why, thank you. You are too kind. Seeing my name next to hers is an honor.

I am but a simple soldier in this battle, no more. There are many who know more and have done much more than I in this fight.

The real credit goes to CASAA for keeping the fight going and protecting our rights this long. Both the lovely and talented Ms Robin and I are members of CASAA. We can always use more help! Kristin has done a terrific (and at time under appreciated) job leading and keeping this organization together, focused, and a force to be reckoned with. Her efforts (through CASAA) are giving us the information we need to change a few hearts and minds.

If each of us changes a few minds, the fight is downhill and a path to victory is cleared. When good people who vape say they are helpless to stop the FDA and its assertions, our enemies become a juggernaut.

There are others out there, many of them popped into this thread. While I may roar the loudest, and Robin may speak the fairest, I am personally and deeply grateful to people like DC, WV, Myk, Kristin, SmOkey, Penn, and many others (I cannot name them all) who keep our sights on the target.

We all have our role. Find yours. Embrace it.

 

[Sm0kyBlue]

No big deal. I have a generator and a stock of gas I rotate through my cars, so a week without power or even gas would only be a big inconvenience to me if it was extremely hot. At ten days my plan starts to break down.

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then heads up.. my son and I will travel to your house, should that happen.. I make good juice