I have no intention of Bashing anyone. If you search Vender sites and Read ECF Post by purchasers, you will See Americans Like their toys, Clones or otherwise and our Venders are more than happy to take our money.
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The ethics of "Made in USA" on clones
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I have no intention of Bashing anyone. If you search Vender sites and Read ECF Post by purchasers, you will See Americans Like their toys, Clones or otherwise and our Venders are more than happy to take our money.
I have no problem Shaking Cages.
Well, even manufacturing can fall into the chicken/egg category. Inventors and often Mfrs seek out a market niche and begin filling that niche. Yes, both are to blame.
I just don't understand why they fake it all the way down to the etchings. If as has been said here, clone buyers don't care where it's made or what logos/mfr origins are etched in, then there is apparently no demand for it. It is the mfrs that are lying, cheating, and stealing. Sure, they (most of them) admit they're clones, but why can't they include such admissions on the device itself? "Replica", "Made in China", etc...
That they add the extra lie about mfr and country of origin on the device makes me think that they are specifically targeting the wholesale fraud market at least as much as the individual buyers.
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I have no intention of Bashing anyone. If you search Vender sites and Read ECF Post by purchasers, you will See Americans Like their toys, Clones or otherwise and our Venders are more than happy to take our money.
I have no problem Shaking Cages.
'Tis the truth. No arguing any of that. And I would add that it is true for nearly all nationalities (AKA people), not just Americans.
It's a little different. That was Americans trying to re brand a clone and selling it as a completely different, original mod.
If people were really being duped into buying a clone they thought was authentic, I'd have a problem, but that's just not the way clones are marketed.
I bet this thread makes at least 200 replies. Any takers? Some days it seems like there's more talk about ethics than vaping.
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, since I'm already posting is, I don't really like it, but I think it's "slightly" different when someone is replicating something that says "USA" on it, compared to stamping "Made in the USA" on a product in an attempt to mislead people. I've bought one clone, so far, but I would think twice about buying one that says "Made in the USA."
I'd like to point out that Kayfun clones, sometimes say, "Made in Germany" on them and no one has complained yet on these. Do we have a double standard here in the US?
My
, since I'm already posting is, I don't really like it, but I think it's "slightly" different when someone is replicating something that says "USA" on it, compared to stamping "Made in the USA" on a product in an attempt to mislead people. I've bought one clone, so far, but I would think twice about buying one that says "Made in the USA."I'd like to point out that Kayfun clones, sometimes say, "Made in Germany" on them and no one has complained yet on these. Do we have a double standard here in the US?
Equally as unethical to me - I don't have a Kayfun or clone so I didn't know about that or I would have included it (and maybe titled the thread differently). It's the same issue.
Yes, I agree it's the same issue as well. Not ethical and deceptive.
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Well, if the original also said "USA", I would put it in the same category. But I get what you're saying.
Several, including myself, have already mentioned it in this thread.
It kinda pisses me off when a clone of anything exists, the Made in the USA part is just another in the whole lineup of fake everything and anything. Not a bit different than having By Atmomixani on the switch of a clone.
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The makers of the clones should not be blamed for etching 'made in USA' (or whichever country) on the clones, consumers (from all over the globe) request a CLONE of the original, warts 'n' all.
If the original MOD design (etchings, logos etc) contains 'made in the USA' then the clone, if a 1:1 copy should therefore contain those same markings.
You only have to look at the forums/discussions on fasttech to see that people cry bloody murder if the clone offered is anything less than 100% accurate to the original.
If the original has it then so should the clone.
The cloners would receive complaints and remove it from the clone design if it caused outrage to the buying public and stopped people from getting the MOD...
If the original MOD design (etchings, logos etc) contains 'made in the USA' then the clone, if a 1:1 copy should therefore contain those same markings.
You only have to look at the forums/discussions on fasttech to see that people cry bloody murder if the clone offered is anything less than 100% accurate to the original.
If the original has it then so should the clone.
The cloners would receive complaints and remove it from the clone design if it caused outrage to the buying public and stopped people from getting the MOD...
Unless they're trying to pass them off as authentics, they aren't "misrepresenting" anything. They're perfectly clear about the products they make being clones.
If individuals r vendors choose to sell these off as authentics, then there is misrepresentation, but it's not on the part of the people who make them.
This is what people who yap on about the "unethical" nature of clones don't get. The manufacturers aren't creating demand, they're filling it. If original modders could supply the demand for MODs, then clones wouldn't exist (or certainly not in their large numbers). Metting demand would also necessarily mean lower prices. It's very simple economics.
People demand a product. Company A (the company who originally built it) makes them, but they can only produce 1 for every 50 people who wants one. It's only natural that some other company will fill the void.
I'm sorry, but that's bull excrement. A product name marked on a product is a representation that the named entity made the product (and got some of the money). "Made in [whatever country]: marked on the product is a representation on where it was in fact made. When a clone manufacturer puts someone else's name on the product and marks it (or the packaging that it's in) with a country of origin that's false, that IS misrepresentation by the manufacturer. Now your local B&M might not be misrepresenting it if they tell you, "That's a Chinese-made clone", but to say that the manufacturer isn't misrepresenting it is akin to saying "That depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
Chinese manufacturers are perfectly clear about what they're making. They aren't misrepresenting anything so long as they sell their wares as clones or replicas or whatever they call them. So long as they are open about them NOT being authentic, they're in the clear.
However one chooses to think on it, I've had my say. I'm not going to get in to a long, protracted argument again with the same people over and over.
So it seems once again, there will be no consensus.
Some feel that it is unethical to put false labels on fakes.
Some feel that the demand for fakes makes it acceptable to copy everything.
"Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet."
-- Kipling
Some feel that it is unethical to put false labels on fakes.
Some feel that the demand for fakes makes it acceptable to copy everything.
"Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet."
-- Kipling
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Suckered myself into posting this thread in the first place. Think I'm done with it. Seven (7) Days off and I have no intention of spending it arguing/hating with online characters that know they are as right as me - lol.
Have a GREAT end of week/weekend everyone and..................
VAPE ON!!!!!!
Suckered myself into posting this thread in the first place. Think I'm done with it. Seven (7) Days off and I have no intention of spending it arguing/hating with online characters that know they are as right as me - lol.
Have a GREAT end of week/weekend everyone and..................
VAPE ON!!!!!!
Isn't it a VXLA mod being advertised?
Seems to me it is you that are claiming that the mod being sold is an Nzonic.
I certainly did not take it that way.
It was clear to me the issue was the lie, not the "USA"
Sorry I missed that. I read through most of the thread before and then when I posted, I searched for "Germany" to double check and see if there was a post on this. Maybe I hit a wrong key.
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