The FDA has 'won'
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That is a good point. Didn't China also execute a head of their FDA year or so ago?
There's a serious problem here. News channels in the States, Europe, UK etc can say what they like about PV's/E-cigs as they're all made in China. If these were products created in the Western World, these 'News' bulletins would have to check up on their facts or face enourmous law suits.
Should say too, although the FDA is only (for now) making waves on this subject, Britain will no doubt act upon it. The current HM Gov have pretty much given themselves Carte Blanche when it comes to defining 'Right and Wrong'. If they're in the wrong and they know it (ie they're going to tell 'untruths' about scientific studies or public opinion, they will replace 'Such and such is KNOWN TO BE' with 'WE BELIEVE such and such is known to be'.
Our politicians would be roundly applauded for saying they believed in fairies, but would be shot down in a second if they claimed to have actually seen one. Needless to say, our lot 'believe' in anything that suits their purpose and see nothing (science, evidence, common sense) that challenges it. It's led to the enactment of some of the worst laws in British History. I have very little faith in them seeing the 'light' on this occasion.
Thankfully, our politicos are off for their ten week annual holiday, I'm hoping this won't hit the fan on their return.
/Rant off
Brent
Should say too, although the FDA is only (for now) making waves on this subject, Britain will no doubt act upon it. The current HM Gov have pretty much given themselves Carte Blanche when it comes to defining 'Right and Wrong'. If they're in the wrong and they know it (ie they're going to tell 'untruths' about scientific studies or public opinion, they will replace 'Such and such is KNOWN TO BE' with 'WE BELIEVE such and such is known to be'.
Our politicians would be roundly applauded for saying they believed in fairies, but would be shot down in a second if they claimed to have actually seen one. Needless to say, our lot 'believe' in anything that suits their purpose and see nothing (science, evidence, common sense) that challenges it. It's led to the enactment of some of the worst laws in British History. I have very little faith in them seeing the 'light' on this occasion.
Thankfully, our politicos are off for their ten week annual holiday, I'm hoping this won't hit the fan on their return.
/Rant off
Brent
Although I can appreciate the sentiments about the FDA "caring about public safety", I have to say I don't buy it. The FDA is an arm of our federal government - do any of you know just how much tax revenue the federal government takes in on the sale of tobacco products? Do you know how much tax revenue they would lose if e-cigarettes were not challenged?
I don't believe they care - and I CERTAINLY don't think they want people to stop smoking cigarettes either.
I don't believe they care - and I CERTAINLY don't think they want people to stop smoking cigarettes either.
Why are threads with headlines like this allowed to continue?
Yes, we need to discuss what to do about the current FDA climate towards e-cigs. Yes, we need to band together to promote what we feel is a safer alternative to smoking. Yes, we need to pressure the manufacturers to do their due diligence and test their products properly.
No, we do not need fear-mongering scare tactic headlines on threads that will drive away new users and make them think that the battle is over before they've had a chance to do anything about it.
Ivisi
Yes, we need to discuss what to do about the current FDA climate towards e-cigs. Yes, we need to band together to promote what we feel is a safer alternative to smoking. Yes, we need to pressure the manufacturers to do their due diligence and test their products properly.
No, we do not need fear-mongering scare tactic headlines on threads that will drive away new users and make them think that the battle is over before they've had a chance to do anything about it.
Ivisi
Yeah - I do agree - I edited the thread title to 'won' to try to make it look a little less categorical. Perhaps I should just re-title it.
Ditto. I'm in my 30's. Please don't tell me I have at least 20 more years of the same.
Truth be told, logical conversations only fare well on internet message boards and university classrooms. They fail heavily in the real world.
You'd think logic would prevail in the court room, but money and legalese dominate instead. You'd think logic would prevail in the media, but mass hysteria and emotional roller coaster rides dominate.
The FDA calls a press conference and it results in headlines such as "Ecigarettes found to be toxic & poisonous -- as bad, if not worse, than tobacco cigarettes." Now imagine combatting that headline with the cool and level-headed "Ecigarette proponents are more logically consistent."
It might get read.
SmokeyJoe - delete the OP if you wish. I do believe the thread has vindicated my statement.
We are campaigning ineffectively and need to find a way to get the word OUT better than we have. Individuals can not battle the PR machine of the FDA and the Antis.
We are campaigning ineffectively and need to find a way to get the word OUT better than we have. Individuals can not battle the PR machine of the FDA and the Antis.
Problem is that logic doesn't work in a culture war. That's what we're facing here. It's more like religion than it is like debate team. The anti-smoking lobby won't respond to logic. Taking the high ground against them is not necessarily the best strategy.
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Nonsense. Your statement is still inflammatory and counter productive.
just delete scary headlines joe.. i know posters do it to get attention for their threads.. its a practice i have now adopted.. scary headlines really are counter productive.. all readers are influenced by them.. they need toning down..
if folks want free speech they have to use it with discretion.. all freedoms have to be used this way else they get taken away...
trog
if folks want free speech they have to use it with discretion.. all freedoms have to be used this way else they get taken away...
trog
I got a scary headline for you and the world
Attention read all about how FDA wants your fathers and mothers to die of horrible lung cancer. Read about how they show there greed from BP and Goverment Tax dallors brought to them by 6 dallor packs of smokes. Read about how The FDA wants to eat your baby!!!
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