The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

[misswish1]

No one has said that ecigs are 100% safe. The chief quote from certain medical people is that they are 95% safer than smoking.

PG is in a lot of products we eat or rub on our skin.

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I just want to add - PG is also in most medical inhalers. For those that want to nit-pick about how it's consumed.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I just want to add - PG is also in most medical inhalers. For those that want to nit-pick about how it's consumed.

Yes, it was used in the 40's in hospital hvac systems, and was studied for a long time. The fact that it's been inhaled for decades without issue is the more important point. We've recently been reminded of this, given that vitamin E acetate is safe and even beneficial applied to the skin, but killing people when inhaled. This makes it kind of hard to say PG is safe simply because it's okay to rub it on the skin.

So I agree with you, except comparing method of delivery is not exactly nitpicking, since there are many things that don't harm you on the skin, but do when inhaled. And many substances undergo chemical changes when heated to the point of vaporization.

 

[Bronze]

So I agree with you, except comparing method of delivery is not exactly nitpicking, since there are many things that don't harm you on the skin, but do when inhaled.

Agree. Try swallowing a exfoliating brush and see what happens. Wont be pretty.

 

[Uncle]

Agree. Try swallowing a exfoliating brush and see what happens. Wont be pretty.

Well - If Ya' remember to turn it on before you sallow . . . At least Ya' "innards" should all be cleaned out - finally . . .

I KNOW - I KNOW - "My" Bad . . . Just couldn't resist . . .


.

 

[Bronze]

Well - If Ya' remember to turn it on before you sallow . . . At least Ya' "innards" should all be cleaned out - finally . . .

I KNOW - I KNOW - "My" Bad . . . Just couldn't resist . . .


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The peanut gallery has spoken!

 

[Doffy]

Just heard on the radio that Aussie research came out showing flavoured vapes can worsen asthma, even without nicotine.

This is usually VG intolerance to my knowledge?

I'll put a link up once it hits a site with no paywall.

 

[stols001]

I kind of wish we could like get a doomsday clock on the site somewhere, ticking down the seconds.

Only there is so much crud going on NOW who KNOWS if it will be accurate. And accuracy is IMPORTANT in a doomsday clock you look like such a false prophet if you get it wrong.

We can't be HAVING that. Then you look like some sort of dopey IDK cult or something.

Actually it is something of a fair analogy. People ARE going to die over this no matter what time it is.

Anna

 

[Doffy]

I kind of wish we could like get a doomsday clock on the site somewhere, ticking down the seconds.

Only there is so much crud going on NOW who KNOWS if it will be accurate. And accuracy is IMPORTANT in a doomsday clock you look like such a false prophet if you get it wrong.

We can't be HAVING that. Then you look like some sort of dopey IDK cult or something.

Actually it is something of a fair analogy. People ARE going to die over this no matter what time it is.

Anna

There is one floating around that I made. A couple have link in their sigs as FDA D-Day. But I can't link just now on tapatalk

 

[Doffy]

I kind of wish we could like get a doomsday clock on the site somewhere, ticking down the seconds.

Only there is so much crud going on NOW who KNOWS if it will be accurate. And accuracy is IMPORTANT in a doomsday clock you look like such a false prophet if you get it wrong.

We can't be HAVING that. Then you look like some sort of dopey IDK cult or something.

Actually it is something of a fair analogy. People ARE going to die over this no matter what time it is.

Anna

FDA D-DAY

 

[Doffy]

Just heard on the radio that Aussie research came out showing flavoured vapes can worsen asthma, even without nicotine.

This is usually VG intolerance to my knowledge?

I'll put a link up once it hits a site with no paywall.

https://www.eurasiareview.com/22092019-flavored-e-cigarettes-may-worsen-asthma/

 

[Rossum]

https://www.eurasiareview.com/22092019-flavored-e-cigarettes-may-worsen-asthma/

I think we've known for a while that some flavorings are questionable.

 

[mikepetro]

I think we've known for a while that some flavorings are questionable.

True, but as you have often pointed out, what about "harm relative to cigarettes"?

 

[Bronze]

I think we've known for a while that some flavorings are questionable.

True, but as you have often pointed out, what about "harm relative to cigarettes"?

Not sure which flavorings. I've heard cinnamon is rather nasty. Mints and menthol?? Others?

 

[stols001]

How cool/awful is that. Testing out my signature link. I'm sure it's like wrong, but we shall see.

Anna

 

[mikepetro]

Not sure which flavorings. I've heard cinnamon is rather nasty. Mints and menthol?? Others?

Butters and creams at one time contained diacetyl.

 

[stols001]

You know, asthmatics are TOTALLLY free to smoke and vape, right? It's not a CRIME? I had mild asthma as a kid, there was not some sudden "inner me" that was like, NO! NOT SMOKING! I HAD ASTHMA!

Just as type 2 diabetics are totally free to ingest ALL the cake they want,.

I don't think anything is 100% safe and actually if correct that study may be useful-- BUT really more for asthmatics who are in a stage in their life where the care about their lungs. It's actually USEFUL information and it will be presented as "vaping is bad."

No one EVER EVER EVER said vaping was 100% "good."

Anna

 

[Bronze]

Butters and creams at one time contained diacetyl.

Having probed this on Fran's thread pretty much everyone says they lost their punch after the diacetyl was removed. Most stay with the original citing the levels are minute. AND, as has been mentioned recently, keeping it in the context of cigarette smoking.

 

[440BB]

It's good that there are choices for those who have no problem with diacetyl and those who don't want it. My main vape is mint/menthol so I'm taking a different undetermined risk.

I'm wondering more about my nic level and it's cardiovascular effects in the long run as I age than flavor. I'm not a perfect specimen any more.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I'm wondering more about my nic level and it's cardiovascular effects in the long run as I age than flavor. I'm not a perfect specimen any more.

Yes, but if you don't use nic to ward off declining mental faculties, you might not even know if you're a perfect specimen or not.

Seriously, I haven't devoted the time to researching the long term cv effects to decide how concerned I need to be yet. It's on my to do list, even though I'm still a perfect specimen...of something, anyway. Not sure what, but my wife could tell you.

 

[Katya]

Not sure which flavorings. I've heard cinnamon is rather nasty. Mints and menthol?? Others?

Kurt advised against cinnamon and clove, in particular.

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