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[Eskie]

I Don't think Anyone, including the FDA, thinks that 100% of "Illegal" tobacco Products can be intercepted by Customs.
But once again, Why would customs be the Only way to prevent these Products from entering the USA?

If I use a Credit Card to purchase an Item, I don't own the Item until the Credit Card balance is Paid. So this puts Credit Card companies in a Delicate position.

Because they would be Involved in the Importation of an "Illegal" Product. And that makes Lawyers Twitchy.

So after US Distributors/Retailers are basically shut down, if the FDA feels there is a Problem with someone like say fasttech, I would imagine that CC/PayPal will receive notice that they might be in Legal Jeopardy if they continue to Facilitate the Importation of "Illegal" tobacco Products.

And just like the FDA sends Under-aged people into Stores to see if a Retailer will sell a Pack of Smokes to a Minor. I'm sure the FDA will see if FT will send a Non-Allowed e-Cigarette to 10903 New Hampshire Avenue, Silver Spring, MD 20993 which was paid for using a CC or PayPal.

But cutting off a merchant account with FT would be incredibly difficult as I’m certain they’re banking overseas, not a US cc processor, and they sell plenty of other Chinese electronics and other products. Who’s going to shut them down?

Even the dedicated vaping vendors aren’t going to get cut off by their Chinese banks just because the US FDA gets in a snit. MC and Visa are global brands and I’m not sure you’ll convince them to cut off a specific product from a specific location that might be shipped to a different location.

Is FT’s merchant bank going to say “no, you can’t accept payments by credit cards to ship to the US but you can ship to every other nation”? It’s not the same as eBay or Ali Express saying small retailers can’t use their platform.

The closest they can come is convincing customs to somehow enforce sanctions against products from that retailer for fulfilling and shipping items into the US. I’m not sure how easy it is to legally do that.

 

[Bronze]

Square (or rectangular) bottles with dimensions that were an even divisor of the freezer's interior dimensions would be ideal.

But the reality is, can can store plenty of nic is a pretty small freezer even in round bottles.

I found the little 4oz bottles I use fit neatly in the voids between the liter bottles.

 

[zoiDman]

But cutting off a merchant account with FT would be incredibly difficult as I’m certain they’re banking overseas, not a US cc processor, and they sell plenty of other Chinese electronics and other products. Who’s going to shut them down?

Even the dedicated vaping vendors aren’t going to get cut off by their Chinese banks just because the US FDA gets in a snit. MC and Visa are global brands and I’m not sure you’ll convince them to cut off a specific product from a specific location that might be shipped to a different location.

Is FT’s merchant bank going to say “no, you can’t accept payments by credit cards to ship to the US but you can ship to every other nation”? It’s not the same as eBay or Ali Express saying small retailers can’t use their platform.

The closest they can come is convincing customs to somehow enforce sanctions against products from that retailer for fulfilling and shipping items into the US. I’m not sure how easy it is to legally do that.

I Don't think it would be as Difficult as many would think.

Because the 1st thing that would happen is that the CC/PayPal would be notified that they are possibly engaging in an Illegal Activity.

And then CC's and PayPal would go into CYA Mode and thru things on the Account Holders. Sending out Notifications reminding them of the TOS terms they agreement to.

Because all of those TOS terms have some type of "Silk Road" type wording in them about Bla Bal Bla... Using the CC to purchase Illegal Items... Bla Bal Bla... Importation of Non-Allowed Regulated Items... Bla Bal Bla... Termination of Service for Violation of TOS... Bla Bal Bla... Immediate Payment of Pending Balance ... Bla Bal Bla... Offer Not Valid in KY, MD, CA ... Bla Bal Bla...

If faced with even a Possibility that you could have your CC Suspended or have your Paypal Account Cancelled, how Many people would see that $12 RDA at Fasttech as such a Good Buy?

Like I said earlier, the FDA Can't stop every single Item reaching a US Customer. But between shutting down US Distributors/Retailers and maybe some Leaning on CC/PayPal, Isn't that going to be the Vast Majority of the Market? And what is left Customs can scan like they Always do.

The Long and the Short of it is Who Knows what is going to happen? But if one is reasonably Stocked Up, it really Doesn't Matter.

To them at least.

 

[Iron Molly]

But, you can use your credit card or PayPal to obtain "gift cards" at a Chinese retailer, and then buy whatever you want!

 

[Fidola13]

7l is just a bit more than I have. I bought a 3 cubic foot, and roughly 3/4 of the space is used for food (pricey beef and scallops that had big year-end sales).

I went with a chest freezer, the nic is in 8oz glass bottles in tubs in the lowest part of it. A couple 4oz glass bottles, older stock, is in the mesh organizer bin in the top of the freezer, will be the first used.

Thanks for that info!

 

[zoiDman]

But, you can use your credit card or PayPal to obtain "gift cards" at a Chinese retailer, and then buy whatever you want!

Doesn't seem like that is much of a Dodge if PayPal or a CC company views using their Monies to purchase FDA Non-Allowed "Tobacco Products" as a Violation of their TOS.

Because that is what it gets down to when you use a CC, Right? You us Their Money to make a Purchase for you.

 

[englishmick]

Doesn't seem like that is much of a Dodge if PayPal or a CC company views using their Monies to purchase FDA Non-Allowed "Tobacco Products" as a Violation of their TOS.

Because that is what it gets down to when you use a CC, Right? You us Their Money to make a Purchase for you.

Doesn't that mean the CC company would only know that you bought a gift card?

 

[zoiDman]

Doesn't that mean the CC company would only know that you bought a gift card?

It does.

But what happens if You have the Bad Luck of having your package Opened by customs? Now Customs wants to know how the item was paid for? And are people doing something like using Gift Cards to hide purchase activities?

Like I said, there Isn't Anything that can Completely Stop enterprising individuals from obtaining what they want to obtain. But what it will get down to is How Hard does the Customs/FDA/DOJ wants to Push Things when it comes to an Individual?

 

[zoiDman]

Doesn't that mean the CC company would only know that you bought a gift card?

BTW - Can the USPS refuse to except ALL Packages from someone like FT if it was shown that FT was shipping Un-FDA Approved e-Cigarettes to the USA?

What about other Common Carriers?

 

[Uncle]

But I'm pretty confident I could fit 7 liters in round bottles in a 1-cubic foot freezer.

Well then - Just may NEED Ya' to come over and restock the little 1.1cu Freezer I have . . . Right now my 1.1cu Freezer is only holding 4 liters of NIC decanted into 18 - 8oz Bottles that are also in 2 plastic shoe boxes without lids on the very top shelf . . . Which only leaves the bottom of the little freezer still available - however it is only half the area of the top shelf and I have another 4 liters of NIC left . . . Just Sayin' . . .

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[Bronze]

Well then - Just may NEED Ya' to come over and restock the little 1.1cu Freezer I have . . . Right now my 1.1cu Freezer is only holding 4 liters of NIC decanted into 18 - 8oz Bottles that are also in 2 plastic shoe boxes without lids on the very top shelf . . . Which only leaves the bottom of the little freezer still available - however it is only half the area of the top shelf and I have another 4 liters of NIC left . . . Just Sayin' . . .

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Who needs to eat anyway?

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Well then - Just may NEED Ya' to come over and restock the little 1.1cu Freezer I have . . . Right now my 1.1cu Freezer is only holding 4 liters of NIC decanted into 18 - 8oz Bottles that are also in 2 plastic shoe boxes without lids on the very top shelf . . . Which only leaves the bottom of the little freezer still available - however it is only half the area of the top shelf and I have another 4 liters of NIC left . . . Just Sayin' . . .

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I'm in the market for a little freezer/refrigerator, and I'm using 8oz. bottles. Thanks for posting this, I was wondering how big of one I needed.

 

[Uncle]

Well then - Just may NEED Ya' to come over and restock the little 1.1cu Freezer I have . . . Right now my 1.1cu Freezer is only holding 4 liters of NIC decanted into 18 - 8oz Bottles that are also in 2 plastic shoe boxes without lids on the very top shelf . . . Which only leaves the bottom of the little freezer still available - however it is only half the area of the top shelf and I have another 4 liters of NIC left . . . Just Sayin' . . .

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Update:

Just for the heck of it - tried laying all 4 Liters of NIC in their original plastic bottles sideways in the bottome area and they FIT ! ! ! Now all I need to know is that OK for long term storage . . .


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[Uncle]

I'm in the market for a little freezer/refrigerator, and I'm using 8oz. bottles. Thanks for posting this, I was wondering how big of one I needed.

Well - The one I have was suggested by an ECF Friend, because it is small and I NEEDED to put it in a convenient out of the way place . . . It was also inexpensive, just waited until the hoilday's when it was discounted even further before I got it . . . YMMV - See post above ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

FYI: Also make sure to triple measure both the area where Ya' want to place the freezer and the access dimensions VARY WELL (maneuvering into small spaces) . . . AND - Then do it a third time . . . . . . JUST SAYIN" . . . It is now in another closet then originally planned . . .


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[markfm]

Update:

Just for the heck of it - tried laying all 4 Liters of NIC in their original plastic bottles sideways in the bottome area and they FIT ! ! ! Now all I need to know is that OK for long term storage . . .

I'd suggest not storing nic long term in plastic. A fairly recent (2018) paper found leaching in even "good" plastics, and we're talking about supplies to be stored for up to a couple decades.

For long-term supplies, storing in glass, with the liquid not in contact with the cap, appears to be the best bet.

 

[englishmick]

BTW - Can the USPS refuse to except ALL Packages from someone like FT if it was shown that FT was shipping Un-FDA Approved e-Cigarettes to the USA?

What about other Common Carriers?

And then there's the packet of filters from Mr Lin.

 

[BigPappa]

But cutting off a merchant account with FT would be incredibly difficult as I’m certain they’re banking overseas, not a US cc processor, and they sell plenty of other Chinese electronics and other products. Who’s going to shut them down?

Even the dedicated vaping vendors aren’t going to get cut off by their Chinese banks just because the US FDA gets in a snit. MC and Visa are global brands and I’m not sure you’ll convince them to cut off a specific product from a specific location that might be shipped to a different location.

Is FT’s merchant bank going to say “no, you can’t accept payments by credit cards to ship to the US but you can ship to every other nation”? It’s not the same as eBay or Ali Express saying small retailers can’t use their platform.

The closest they can come is convincing customs to somehow enforce sanctions against products from that retailer for fulfilling and shipping items into the US. I’m not sure how easy it is to legally do that.

Not to nitpick, but FT stopped taking credit cards back in the fall of 2019.

 

[clnire]

I received a small order from China today (a Squonk mod) and the declared item was a toy remote control. They have ways of working around customs.

 

[mcduffy]

I just received a packet of sewing machine screws from wish.com.

 

[mikepetro]

Update:

Just for the heck of it - tried laying all 4 Liters of NIC in their original plastic bottles sideways in the bottome area and they FIT ! ! ! Now all I need to know is that OK for long term storage . . .


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Swap it out to 1L glass bottles and lay them on their side.......