The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

[UncLeJunkLe]

If I was doing it, instead of trying to go after Thousands of Packages every week, I would Lean on the Credit Card companies.

But I'm Not doing it. So take it for what It is Worth.

They've already done that to an extent. In the USA, they deemed vape as tobacco, which in turn deemed vape purchases as "high risk" which in turn forbids 3rd party payment processors from processing payments for vape. Paypal and the like aren't allowed to take on "high risk" purchases like tobacco, firearms, online casinos, etc. in the USA.

The next step would be to deem tobacco all sales online as "forbidden" and credit card processing reseller companies will be forced to drop all vape shops.

It's the "best" way to control commerce. But then it goes to the black market, which is less-than ideal for the public at large.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

But cutting off a merchant account with FT would be incredibly difficult as I’m certain they’re banking overseas, not a US cc processor, and they sell plenty of other Chinese electronics and other products. Who’s going to shut them down?

Even the dedicated vaping vendors aren’t going to get cut off by their Chinese banks just because the US FDA gets in a snit. MC and Visa are global brands and I’m not sure you’ll convince them to cut off a specific product from a specific location that might be shipped to a different location.

Fasttech lost their merchant account many months ago. And I don't know of any dedicated Chinese online vape shop that takes CC directly anymore (please post of any you know that do). They all use Paypal as their credit card processor.

But I suspect it's only a matter of time when even Paypal and all other 3rd party processors will be forced to forbid vape sales overseas just as they were forbidden to take vape transaction in the USA.

it doesn't matter if you sell a bunch of other stuff besides "high risk" items. As soon as you take payment for "high risk" items, you become a "high risk" merchant, even if 99.999% of the items you sell are not in the "high risk" category.

I don;t think FT or any other Chinese vape seller will ever get their merchant accounts restored, even though FT mods on the forum claim they are working on restoring direct CC payment. They would have found other merchants accounts by now. It doesn't take months to get a merchant account, especially for a high-volume, established merchant.

 

[Uncle]

I'd suggest not storing nic long term in plastic. A fairly recent (2018) paper found leaching in even "good" plastics, and we're talking about supplies to be stored for up to a couple decades.

For long-term supplies, storing in glass, with the liquid not in contact with the cap, appears to be the best bet.

Thanks for the info - I thought as much, but just had to ask . . . Hey - It was worth a try . . . Oh Well - @Rossum - want to come over this way to do some organizing ? ? ?

Swap it out to 1L glass bottles and lay them on their side.......

Not a bad idea . . . Thanks . . .


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[sofarsogood]

I believe FT takes bitcoin. The obvious point, if you are reading these posts, is buy some nic, atomizers and mods, for a fraction of what you spent on cigs. May be talk about solutions instead of problems. I got some supplies years ago. Recently I got some modern stuff and find I still prefer my original stuff. Several of my preferred items are no long available, glad I stocked them.

I buy most all hardware from FT with paypal which uses my visa card. No problems. A couple of orders shipped a couple days ago.

Right now NJ struggles with how they can justify bannin ecig flavors while menthol cigs remain for sale. Nobody has thought through the consequences of taxing a $50 bottle of nic at $5,000. There's no illicit substance with that kind of spread. There's lot's more fun to come.

 

[Rossum]

Oh Well - @Rossum - want to come over this way to do some organizing ? ? ?

You've seen the pic of my freezer, right? I'm not exactly practiced at organizing them. Stuff it in there however it fits.

How much space is there above your 8-oz bottles when they are standing upright on the top shelf?

 

[Uncle]

You've seen the pic of my freezer, right? I'm not exactly practiced at organizing them. Stuff it in there however it fits.

How much space is there above your 8-oz bottles when they are standing upright on the top shelf?

Yep - I did see. . . But then again, your freezer is much bigger and better then mine . . .

AND - Funny you should ask, except for my hand fitting in just above the bottles - NONE . . .

Yes - Plan on "Stuffing" as much as I can and use what can't fit in first . . .


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[BigPappa]

Swap it out to 1L glass bottles and lay them on their side.......

If he uses the polycone caps (or whatever they are called), having it on it's side for a decade or two might not be a good idea. Better to have them standing up just in case.

 

[mikepetro]

Just to remind folks of the obvious, if freezer space is at a premium, buy a more concentrated nic. 100mg is not the strongest available. 200mg would take up half the space, etc..

 

[mikepetro]

If he uses the polycone caps (or whatever they are called), having it on it's side for a decade or two might not be a good idea. Better to have them standing up just in case.

I dont disgree, but he is at the point of having to make compromises. Having only the polycone cap come in contact with the nic would be preferable to storing it in a 100% plastic bottle for a decade or two.

 

[sofarsogood]

Just to remind folks of the obvious, if freezer space is at a premium, buy a more concentrated nic. 100mg is not the strongest available. 200mg would take up half the space, etc..

Do you know who is selling higher concentrations besides MFS?

 

[mikepetro]

Do you know who is selling higher concentrations besides MFS?

Pure Nicotine Online, Premium Nicotine - E-Liq
Regular Mixed Nicotine 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml
USP Nicotine Liquid - Bulk E Liquid Nicotine Solutions - DIY Nicotine
Premixed pg nicotine salts base丨18mg/ml-200mg/ml丨DIY supplier
PurNic™ E-Liquid Nicotine

Plenty more....

 

[Bronze]

Pure Nicotine Online, Premium Nicotine - E-Liq
Regular Mixed Nicotine 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml
USP Nicotine Liquid - Bulk E Liquid Nicotine Solutions - DIY Nicotine
Premixed pg nicotine salts base丨18mg/ml-200mg/ml丨DIY supplier
PurNic™ E-Liquid Nicotine

Plenty more....

Additionally, for example, 250mg PurNic at River Supply is 10% cheaper than if you purchased it in 100mg concentrations. Also have to believe it costs less to ship.

 

[mikepetro]

Additionally, for example, 250mg PurNic at River Supply is 10% cheaper than if you purchased it in 100mg concentrations. Also have to believe it costs less to ship.

Actually its over 25% cheaper, not including shipping.

 

[Bronze]

Actually its over 25% cheaper, not including shipping.

More actually, I think we're both wrong.

Probably depends on how you look at it (quantities, etc). If you bought one liter of 250mg it would cost $110. That is the equivalent of 2.5 liters of 100mg. $50 x 2.5 = $125. So in this case, purchasing a liter of 250mg is 12% cheaper than if you bought 2.5 liters of 100mg.

 

[mikepetro]

More actually, I think we're both wrong.

Probably depends on how you look at it (quantities, etc). If you bought one liter of 250mg it would cost $110. That is the equivalent of 2.5 liters of 100mg. $50 x 2.5 = $125. So in this case, purchasing a liter of 250mg is 12% cheaper than if you bought 2.5 liters of 100mg.

Youre right, my bad...

 

[Bronze]

Youre right, my bad...

It took me two tries to get it right. Let's just hope for the sake of mankind they don't put us two in charge of designing dams or nuclear power plants.

 

[englishmick]

You've seen the pic of my freezer, right? I'm not exactly practiced at organizing them. Stuff it in there however it fits.

How much space is there above your 8-oz bottles when they are standing upright on the top shelf?

I could fit 8oz bottles on the top shelf of my freezer, but with only about 1/4" clearance. The problem is ice build up on the ceiling of the freezer. Even a small amount would freeze them in place. Normally I take all the bottles out to defrost and scrape the ice off. If the bottles were frozen in that would mean leaving the door open until the ice melted, which might also let the nic thaw out. Prefer to avoid that so I stick with 4 oz bottles.

Wouldn't be a problem with an auto defrost freezer. Or shorter bottles. 1/4 L plastic bottles fit just fine. Does anyone sell short fat glass bottles?

 

[mikepetro]

I could fit 8oz bottles on the top shelf of my freezer, but with only about 1/4" clearance. The problem is ice build up on the ceiling of the freezer. Even a small amount would freeze them in place. Normally I take all the bottles out to defrost and scrape the ice off. If the bottles were frozen in that would mean leaving the door open until the ice melted, which might also let the nic thaw out. Prefer to avoid that so I stick with 4 oz bottles.

Wouldn't be a problem with an auto defrost freezer. Or shorter bottles. 1/4 L plastic bottles fit just fine. Does anyone sell short fat glass bottles?

You could try something like this, just look carefully at lids. Polycone is probably not an option.

8oz (240ml) Flint (Clear) Sample Round Glass Jar - 58-400 Neck

8 oz Clear Borosilicate Glass Straight Sided Lab Jars - BP268240

 

[sofarsogood]

Pure Nicotine Online, Premium Nicotine - E-Liq
Regular Mixed Nicotine 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml
USP Nicotine Liquid - Bulk E Liquid Nicotine Solutions - DIY Nicotine
Premixed pg nicotine salts base丨18mg/ml-200mg/ml丨DIY supplier
PurNic™ E-Liquid Nicotine Plenty more....

Thankyou. If you have others near at hand I hope you'll post them. These will be helpful to vapers who are late to the stocking party.

It took me a while to deciide the best way to handle these higher concentrations. Say I have a liter of 250mg nic, in PG base, that's needed for mixing. I'll put 1.5 liters of pg and the liiter of 250mg nic in a bottle that holds about 3 liters and mix by shaking. Now I have a bottle 2.5 liters of 100mg nic, safe for mixing. My practice is to divide a liter of 100mg in to 4 250 ml bottles. I'd put the remaining 1.5 liters in to a 1 liter bottle and a 500 ml bottle for long term storage.

 

[Bronze]

Thankyou. If you have others near at hand I hope you'll post them. These will be helpful to vapers who are late to the stocking party.

It took me a while to deciide the best way to handle these higher concentrations. Say I have a liter of 250mg nic, in PG base, that's needed for mixing. I'll put 1.5 liters of pg and the liiter of 250mg nic in a bottle that holds about 3 liters and mix by shaking. Now I have a bottle 2.5 liters of 100mg nic, safe for mixing. My practice is to divide a liter of 100mg in to 4 250 ml bottles. I'd put the remaining 1.5 liters in to a 1 liter bottle and a 500 ml bottle for long term storage.