The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

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same

i'm 40, and jealouf of all these 60+ year olds who buy 1 litre to see them out

a litre lasts me 1 year, and i might keep going 30 years or more

Well I’m 56, but my mom is 89. A lot of women in my family have lived well into their 90s on both my mom and dad’s side.
 

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Now people are talking about whether batteries will be available. Not sure how real that concern is. Even if they develop a new type of battery that is a different size there would still be a lot of flashlights out there sized to take 18650's
I don't think there's an imminent threat to battery availability. The 18650 and 2x700 cells most us use aren't under the FDA's purview in any case. Now I could see someone like the CPSC proposing to regulate loose cells as too dangerous to sell to consumers, but we'd get a good bit of advance warning about that. And even if that comes to pass, there are work-arounds available.
 

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Now people are talking about whether batteries will be available. Not sure how real that concern is. Even if they develop a new type of battery that is a different size there would still be a lot of flashlights out there sized to take 18650's

tried to buy 14500 lately? they'll go. Maybe 5 years, maybe 10, but they'll go

trustfire might still be going :lol:
 

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Half my nic is in a freezer at my brothers house 90 miles away. He also vapes and we bought a freezer just for nic storage. He has half of his at my place. We've also done the same with gear and other supplies.

If you are able to do the same it may help your situation. Being FDA prepared is one thing but folks should also consider where they live in relation to natural disasters.
 

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If you are able to do the same it may help your situation. Being FDA prepared is one thing but folks should also consider where they live in relation to natural disasters.

bushfires here

which is another reason some bury a stash 3 foot deep
 

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tried to buy 14500 lately? they'll go. Maybe 5 years, maybe 10, but they'll go

trustfire might still be going :lol:
Still not gonna worry about it. For one thing, there’s nothing I can do about it, and for another, there will always be a Macgyver out there to figure something out. There are things that are, things that are definitely coming, but I will not worry about things on a maybe. I don’t believe in what if. I get by fine on what now.
 

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i'm 40, and jealous of all these 60+ year olds who buy 1 litre to see them out

a litre lasts me 1 year, and i might keep going 30 years or more

Um, just turned 71 and I have a bit over 7 liters of 100mg, in freezers in two different houses.

Lots of backup backup mods and rtas, and a few mechs with a supply of both fuses and even a half dozen Kick modules. (The mechs are "adjustable" tubes, so will take them just fine :) )

Started building the stash before the first cut-off date, haven't stopped supplementing it...
 

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Batteries are the one thing I don't worry about honestly.
I don't worry about them much yet. I look at it this way: Even if there were no batteries of any kind available, I'd still vape. I spend most of my day at my desk. It would be easy enough to tether a "mod" to power supply that plugs into a wall, or that plugs into the 12V power outlet in a car. As convenient as our battery powered devices? No. But certainly doable.

and remember stock piling batteries won't work. They'll age just in storage
Not as much as people seem to think. I've got some VTC5s that were made in January of 2014 that still test at ~90% capacity despite having been gently used off-and-on for most of those five years. This convinced me to start an aging study earlier this summer with some new VTC5As. Two are in the freezer next to the nic. Two are in the fridge. Two are at room temperature at 3.6V. Two are at room temperature fully charged and will be topped off every few months. Hopefully I'll have some data before there's any imminent threat to battery availability, but it will obviously take a year or more to know anything with a high degree of confidence.
 

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I don't worry about them much yet. I look at it this way: Even if there were no batteries of any kind available, I'd still vape. I spend most of my day at my desk. It would be easy enough to tether a "mod" to power supply that plugs into a wall, or that plugs into the 12V power outlet in a car. As convenient as our battery powered devices? No. But certainly doable.


Not as much as people seem to think. I've got some VTC5s that were made in January of 2014 that still test at ~90% capacity despite having been gently used off-and-on for most of those five years. This convinced me to start an aging study earlier this summer with some new VTC5As. Two are in the freezer next to the nic. Two are in the fridge. Two are at room temperature at 3.6V. Two are at room temperature fully charged and will be topped off every few months. Hopefully I'll have some data before there's any imminent threat to battery availability, but it will obviously take a year or more to know anything with a high degree of confidence.

does your testing involve degrading CDR? what good is a 30amp high drain cell, that is no longer high drain?
 

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Do regulated devices chips age when not in use is my biggest question.? While I know I have learned enough to use mechs safely I don't want to have to down the road.

yes

especially if they originate from countries that banthe use of leaded solder in electronics

lead free degrades, particularly in humid climates
 

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does your testing involve degrading CDR? what good is a 30amp high drain cell, that is no longer high drain?
It involves both capacity and internal resistance testing. I'm pretty confident in the correlation between internal resistance and CDR.
 

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The whole of the eu union bans leaded solder.

This is close up of a dead dicodes bf60 that got too much ambient moisture

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Do regulated devices chips age when not in use is my biggest question.? While I know I have learned enough to use mechs safely I don't want to have to down the road.
IMO, the two things that are the biggest worry in electronics aging are electrolytic capacitors and displays. I've only every used regulated mods with DNA boards and I see no electrolytic capacitors on any of them. Many OLED displays do have a rated shelf life of only 10 years, but that doesn't mean they won't work after 10 years, it only means the manufacturer doesn't know it will be good longer than that.

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especially if they originate from countries that banthe use of leaded solder in electronics
lead free degrades, particularly in humid climates
Meh, due to the RoHS restrictions in Europe, pretty much the entire electronics industry world-wide went to lead-free solder roughly 15 years ago. It's not as easy to work with, and early early alloys had some issues, but most of that has been resolved. I've got all kinds of stuff here (TVs, monitors, computers, etc) that's been in service since my wife and I bought this place in 2011. It's all RoHS compliant. Being Florida, it's about as humid as anywhere can be, with the added threat of lots of salt in the air due to our proximity to the ocean. The only issues I've had have been with contacts, not solder.

That said, if I were putting regulated mods into long-term storage, I'd probably vacuum seal them in bags with some desiccant packs.
 

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@Doffy - I'm in my mid-60's, like many others on here above 60. I'd bet we're likely a pretty high % of the people with the largest nic stashes, not just 1L.

It would be easy enough to tether a "mod" to power supply that plugs into a wall, or that plugs into the 12V power outlet in a car. As convenient as our battery powered devices? No. But certainly doable.

I have a NIB Innokin DRV Kit that I'd thought about reselling a couple years ago. But with the way things have been going since then...I decided to definitely hang on to it. :thumb: Some others may want to see about getting 1, too. They're not found on most websites any more, but some are still available.
 

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@Doffy - I'm in my mid-60's, like many others on here above 60. I'd bet we're likely a pretty high % of the people with the largest nic stashes, not just 1L.

i'm sure you are

but, i still read almost every day of low mg older folk having done the calcs that 1l will see them out

i really didn't expect that comment to get so many replies.

is it cause i said "all these" and that was taken as "all over 60s" instead of "the ones that have lower requirements than me"

as confusing as electric bills :rolleyes:
 

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@Doffy - I'm in my mid-60's, like many others on here above 60. I'd bet we're likely a pretty high % of the people with the largest nic stashes, not just 1L.

I have a NIB Innokin DRV Kit that I'd thought about reselling a couple years ago. But with the way things have been going since then...I decided to definitely hang on to it. :thumb: Some others may want to see about getting 1, too. They're not found on most websites any more, but some are still available.
I'm 59 and I agree with you on the nic stash.

JC , is this what you mean? Innokin iTaste DRV Kit
 

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Well, I know I speak for a minority of vapers, but the biggest threat to my long term vaping is the ability to find a DIY flavor I like. As I mentioned in other threads, I am ridiculously picky about flavor. I mean REAL picky. It's a curse. Trust me! And yes, I was a sampling fiend before finding that one ADV flavor. If I cannot find a flavor(s) that works for me then no amount of preparation means a thing. So for those who fall in my category, the best thing you could do is begin your quest now. It may take awhile and a lot of experimenting before you come up with an acceptable flavor.

And as we have all learned, no one can help anyone else with flavor. It simply does not work that way. Each person has to find it for themselves. Just because I think a particular flavor is great means absolutely nothing to anyone else. So, if you're as hopeless as I am in finding an e-liquid flavor you can vape you had better get started now. That should take precedence over everything else (e.g., stocking up on supplies and gear). With 9 months remaining there should be plenty of time for the secondary concerns. And if you cannot find a flavor you like in 9 months then there is no hope anyway. :)
 
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