The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

You got it my friend!
I was thinking to keep it under 30% though

Yes, I would think so too. My thinking was why take away the cake, when what we want to do is add frosting. But, I agree, I would reformulate to keep it at 30%. The question is always, what flavors do we want in a particular mix to predominate. The cake, the icing, or both? Not sure how I would adjust it until I had a chance to try a few variations. Depending on how strong the icing flavoring is, maybe something like this:

Yellow cake - 6%
Lemon - 8%
Icing - 5%
Cotton candy - 5%
Bavarian Cream - 3%
Sweet cream - 3%

That would keep the cake substantially in place and maybe give us enough room for the icing too. I do know that the lemon has to be higher percentage than the yellow cake. If I couldn't taste the icing, I would decrease both creams by 1% and increase icing by 2% and pray that it worked. If it didn't work, I would have to reduce the yellow and lemon again, while increasing the icing. We really want three predominant flavors here: lemon, yellow cake and icing. Only by playing around with it can we figure it out. With two predominant flavors, it's easy, adjust one or the other, or both. With three, hard to tell before mixing how to adjust....just get the beakers ready and hope you find it sooner rather than later. Doesn't take long to mix 100 drop flavorings at all. I can do an 800 drop test in under half an hour easily. That may be what this will require, and you guys have done it to me again with this icing thing. That's twice today! Glad I ordered the big bottle, lol!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I was thinking of your sweet yellow lemon cake here and then Mike's lemon cake he makes for his kids.... I do a sweet lemon yellow bundt cake each year at the end of summer for our club BBQ....The glaze is exactly like a doughnut glaze with lemon zest. Perhaps adding a bit of glazed doughnut would give it a lil....I dunno, something. I just can't put my finger on it. But after reading these posts, it is what immediately came to mind.

Maybe, depends on the strength of the icing, though. I do know the frosted donuts are a little thin, particularly if you are dripping. Also, the doughnut has dough in it, so we may not want to introduce that if it takes us from the yellow cake. Again, have to taste test to figure it out. Now I really can't wait for the icing to get here!

 

[clnire]

Darn, don't have lemon and don't have time for actually a few weeks to mix. You guys will have this nailed before I can even attempt. But that's ok, by posting the progress I learn so much.

BTW, is the lemon a plastic melter? I don't have any glass syringes. I do have glass droppers but while they are good for taste mixing they are not as good for higher volumes. If you use glass syringes, where do you get them?

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Darn, don't have lemon and don't have time for actually a few weeks to mix. You guys will have this nailed before I can even attempt. But that's ok, by posting the progress I learn so much.

BTW, is the lemon a plastic melter? I don't have any glass syringes. I do have glass droppers but while they are good for taste mixing they are not as good for higher volumes. If you use glass syringes, where do you get them?

lemon is ok. Normal bottles. Lemon goes in so many recipes. Works great with watermelon too. I have to make a watermelon candy, bubblegum and starburst. Lemon will be in all of them....busy weekend. Can't wait!

 

[mekc57]

Yes, I would think so too. My thinking was why take away the cake, when what we want to do is add frosting. But, I agree, I would reformulate to keep it at 30%. The question is always, what flavors do we want in a particular mix to predominate. The cake, the icing, or both? Not sure how I would adjust it until I had a chance to try a few variations. Depending on how strong the icing flavoring is, maybe something like this:

Yellow cake - 6%
Lemon - 8%
Icing - 5%
Cotton candy - 5%
Bavarian Cream - 3%
Sweet cream - 3%

That would keep the cake substantially in place and maybe give us enough room for the icing too. I do know that the lemon has to be higher percentage than the yellow cake. If I couldn't taste the icing, I would decrease both creams by 1% and increase icing by 2% and pray that it worked. If it didn't work, I would have to reduce the yellow and lemon again, while increasing the icing. We really want three predominant flavors here: lemon, yellow cake and icing. Only by playing around with it can we figure it out. With two predominant flavors, it's easy, adjust one or the other, or both. With three, hard to tell before mixing how to adjust....just get the beakers ready and hope you find it sooner rather than later. Doesn't take long to mix 100 drop flavorings at all. I can do an 800 drop test in under half an hour easily. That may be what this will require, and you guys have done it to me again with this icing thing. That's twice today! Glad I ordered the big bottle, lol!

I run a straight batch of lemon cake first. That's pretty good Bill!
I did a second batch and cut the sweet cream down to 2% and did 3% Icing and it's not bad. My wife ( my taster ) and she said she could taste the cake, lemon and frosting! The frosting is pretty strong.
I'll try your take on it bill and let you know what happens!
Thanks for the input!

 

[DebiK]

That Lorann's Cream cheese icing might do the icing trick.... Just a small amount?

I've had that in my cart numerous times. I always have to pare my cart down and other things have always won. I hope to get some soon.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I run a straight batch of lemon cake first. That's pretty good Bill!
I did a second batch and cut the sweet cream down to 2% and did 3% Icing and it's not bad. My wife ( my taster ) and she said she could taste the cake, lemon and frosting! The frosting is pretty strong.
I'll try your take on it bill and let you know what happens!
Thanks for the input!

Well this is very good news. Does it taste like lemon cake with frosting, or lemon frosting?

 

[mekc57]

Well this is very good news. Does it taste like lemon cake with frosting, or lemon frosting?

I'm thinking lemon cake with frosting. Im working on your take right now.

 

[cliffy15]

Thanks to the great info/experiences, here, I'm taking further steps into the DIY arena ...I am finding the secondary flavors to be more important than the primary ones to make a well rounded recipe. I have quite a few sample (8ml) flavors to play with but I am building my bases (pun intended) as well as restocking some of my most-used flavors. I haven't, yet, pushed on to large bottles, but I just started ordering 4oz (it's difficult to go any smaller with bulk pricing) bottles of:

- Bavarian Cream
- Dulce de Leche
- Graham Cracker clear
- French Vanilla Deluxe
- Sweet Cream
- Vanilla Custard
- Vanilla Swirl
- Sweetener
- Coconut Extra
- Strawberry
- Banana Cream

Then I added additional sample flavors just because I really wanted to try some of the recipes I've seen here and needed the flavors to complete them:
- Caramel
- Belgian Waffle
- Champagne
- Cheesecake Graham Crust
- Double Chocolate Dark
- Egg Nog
- Lemon
- Honey
- Hazelnut Praline
- Lemon Lime
- Butter
- Apple

Whew! I think this one (in addition to the previous flavor orders) should keep me occupied for awhile ... I'll probably run out of VG before anything else. =P

 

[cliffy15]

Hmm... you know, I think I remember seeing a dual-carto setup for separate flavors. Would be pretty cool to have a lemon cake on one and a, say, icing flavor in the other.

 

[b.m.]

I've had that in my cart numerous times. I always have to pare my cart down and other things have always won. I hope to get some soon.

One great thing with lorann flavors,is you can find them locally in most places.Not sure if it's the same around you,but most i have heard from can find them at walmart in the cake decorating area,hobby lobby sells them,as well as michaels crafts.

After reading about the cream cheese icing,now i need to go to walmart and get some haha,they have the 4oz. bottle for like $5 or $6.

 

[mekc57]

What I got from my last test was not on the right track. I think the butter in the sweet cream is fighting with both the lemon and the icing, I don't taste either any more. I'm thinking my second test is the way to go. the icing is sweet so I might try dropping the cotton candy down to 4% to make the 30% . Just a thought. I think it's good where I have it though.

As it stands now,
Lemon 10%
Yellow cake 7%
Cotton Candy 5%
Bavarian Cream 4%
Sweet Cream 2%
Icing 3%

 

[DebiK]

One great thing with lorann flavors,is you can find them locally in most places.Not sure if it's the same around you,but most i have heard from can find them at walmart in the cake decorating area,hobby lobby sells them,as well as michaels crafts.

After reading about the cream cheese icing,now i need to go to walmart and get some haha,they have the 4oz. bottle for like $5 or $6.

I keep forgetting that they sell them at walmart. I'll be going there in a couple days. I need to remember to see what they have! Thanks for the reminder

 

[renilyn]

I've had that in my cart numerous times. I always have to pare my cart down and other things have always won. I hope to get some soon.

Glad I'm not the only one LOL

 

[b.m.]

I keep forgetting that they sell them at walmart. I'll be going there in a couple days. I need to remember to see what they have! Thanks for the reminder

Hopefully your walmart has a better selection than the one near me.The one here used to have a good selection of the 2 pack of smaller bottles,and a big variety of the 4oz. ones,but the last few times i looked,they didn't have any of the small stuff and the space where they used to be is now filled with other stuff,and the only 4oz. they carry now is cream cheese icing,butter,and red velvet cake i think was the other one.I don't use much of the lorann flavors,but i found if there is one i need micheals here has a pretty big selection of them.

 

[renilyn]

One great thing with lorann flavors,is you can find them locally in most places.Not sure if it's the same around you,but most i have heard from can find them at walmart in the cake decorating area,hobby lobby sells them,as well as michaels crafts.

After reading about the cream cheese icing,now i need to go to walmart and get some haha,they have the 4oz. bottle for like $5 or $6.

Where on earth in walmart do you find flavor THAT big in your walmart Bill??!?!?!?! Or are you going to just mow down a a vat of frosting I had to look in 3 walmarts today to find anything but Cinnamon LOL I found Strawberry, Cherry, Cinnamon and like I said-that was after 3 stores. Usually around the holidays I can find the double 1 dram packs of more Christmasy flavors-about it though. Man! I need to MOVE hahaha

 

[b.m.]

Not sure if it would be in the same area at others,but the one i go to has them in the party supply/cake decorating area.They used to have a full selection of the double packs of 1 dram bottles,probably 30 flavors,but it kept getting smaller and smaller,then the last time i looked they didn't carry any of those anymore,but had the cream cheese icing,butter,and i think red velvet cake,all in the big 4oz. sitting on the shelf.They were right in the same area where you would get those little sugar candy letters,etc. that are used for cakes.


I've heard that there is a baking supply store here where i live that carries tfa flavors too,i really need to find out what it's called and where they are,i hate waiting on orders especially since every time i put an order in,a new recipe pops up right after with at least 1 flavor i dont have then i have to wait a whole week until i put in my next order,i'm beginning to think there's a conspiracy going on haha.

 

[DebiK]

Oh, Michael's too? I get coupons for them every week in the paper.

 

[b.m.]

Yeah,i haven't been there in a while,as they are not real close to me,but the last time i went,they had probably 30 different ones in the big sizes,the selection was fairly small in the smaller bottles though,but i was talking with a lady that worked there,and she said each store had a different selection based on what the best sellers were at that store.There is like 5 of their stores within maybe 20 miles of me,so one day,i may just make a day of it and check them all haha,as an added bonus,they are all fairly close to the various walmarts around this are,so i could hit both and possibly stock up.

 

[DebiK]

I have spent thousands of dollars at Michael's. (scrapbooking, jewelry making, every other craft you could think of) I'm kinda scared to go there again. They may pass out seeing me. lol. I know they carry Wilton cake stuff. Is the flavoring actually Lorann's?