The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[disco180]

With the above in mind (and practice!):

Ok, I give.

Tried a "Peaches and Cream" type filling with my base-lost the peaches entirely. On a happy note, I kind of like the P&C, if it's still this great in 24-48 hours, I'll post it

Tried a "Lemon Creme" type filling with my base-lost the lemon entirely.

Tried a "Blueberry and CCI" filling with my base-lost the Blueberry entire. On another happy note, the CCI was AMAZING!

Fruits were 10-15% as suggested, with the usual creams and sweetener (I even tried putting in my Stevia based sweetener) and I started the base at 2% on each after the first batch of P&C. It didn't exist prior to 1% (yes, I tried .5%), at 2% there was no flavor profile change at all and pretty much after 3%, it killed the fruit entirely. 4-5% killed the fruit and it turned right back into base there.

I even went as far as using the orange I made from the oils Linda recommended to purchase since they aren't carrying anymore....I know I could detect citrus, but it's just...wrong. I can't explain it. I am however going to let that one sit for a bit and see what happens. I read either on TFA or somewhere about the TFA orange (which is basically what I made when I got that oil) that letting it steep was good. 3-4 days apparently. I'm going to imagine that gives the alcohol time to evap and the like.

And without dipping into my LA fruits (STrawberry, Watermellon, Cherry, Raspberry, Apple), I'm at a complete stand still. (Ok, I just didn't think that Cantaloupe Danish sounded good LOL)

It's not that I don't want to hit the LA fruits, I just really wanted to stay within the brand on this one with only the CCI exception to that rule. Not only that, but the LA fruits to me are more "candy" type fruits. Not "realistic" type fruits. They have their place, but I am not convinced that this is it.

I'm very proud that y'all like my base. So I feel like I did accomplish After a day or so to steep, I like it too. I still believe a lil Pie Crust may give the appropriate illusion of "bread" that *I* don't taste, but until I get a filling-I'm not going to bother.

I hate to be a Daryll downer (cant be a Debbie) but in order to keep that base flavor the way it is you are going to have to mix the filing separate and then combine the two together because when you mix them together simultaneously you are not going to keep the flavors from the fruit from combining and altering the taste of the base

1. Mix your base juice in 100% PG and let it sit and steep for some hours or a day to lock the base in PG (add some citric acid if you have it to lock it in quicker)

2. After it steeps and melds use the mixture as a new flavor concentrate called base or danish or whatever you like

3. Use this new flavor concentrate in your 100dt with whatever fruit filing you are trying to make

This will allow the base to stay intact while trying to come up with a filing, I hope I explained this well enough

 

[b.m.]

So off topic I feel ashamed, but I am thinking if I could come up with a hazmat suit I could sell on Ebay and Amazon I could be rich in a few months... saran wrap, aluminum foil and those paper face masks? With gloves we use for mixing? It's been a long crazy day.. garbage bags? Na...

That's right in line with what i told my wife yesterday haha.I told her somewhere there is someone with some old surplus suits,just sitting on a potential gold mine.


Ok back to the topic,hopefully i will have my tfa order tommorow.I have been ordering a 4oz. bottle and a few samples each week,that way i can keep the shipping at first class and not have to get into the expensive priority,which isn't really bad,but since i order every week,i would rather pay $3 shipping a week instead of $7 every time,so keeping the big bottles at 1 keeps me in the cheap shipping haha.This week i ordered a 4oz. vanilla custard,then samples of the frosted doughnut,horchata,fudge brownie,and red velvet cake.Now i will be set with big bottles of all my creams,so i can start with bigger bottles of some of the other flavors i have used alot of,but definitely wont have to worry about running out of creams for a while haha.I'm hoping the red velvet turns out to be a good flavor,as the eventual plan is to try and make up a red velvet cake with the cream cheese icing.

 

[Heabob]

Yup, the Red Velvet Cake with CC Icing is good (just dripping it on my finger tho).

But I haven't fired it up yet...

 

[renilyn]

I will try and help Reni!

Please give me a complete recipe of the ONE that you really want to try and make. I can't do anything until in the morning, but it will be my weekend mission to see if we can't figure this out. I was planning on doing this anyway, and I feel quite confident that we can get somewhere good with your base. So, please show me what didn't work for you and any description about what you want.

Thank you Bill! Much appreciated-I was very very frustrated earlier. I can deal with ikky juice-but for flavors to entirely disappear? One gets annoyed and wondering where I was when the memo came out that THAT was going to happen!


Here is the Peaches and Cream I thought tasted good out of the bottle - without my base:

Peach (Juicy) - 11%
Sweet Cream - 5%
Bavarian Cream 2% (I started a lil higher, but it took over)
Vaanilla Swirl - 4%

Loved the taste. Disappears in hordes when the DS is added to it

The blueberry one was quite similar. I used Blueberry (Extra) at 9% and uped the BC to 4%. Again, not bad on it's own. But with the base it seems to disappear.

I sure hope I'm not working on a horrid case of vape tongue!!!!!!!!

 

[renilyn]

I hate to be a Daryll downer (cant be a Debbie) but in order to keep that base flavor the way it is you are going to have to mix the filing separate and then combine the two together because when you mix them together simultaneously you are not going to keep the flavors from the fruit from combining and altering the taste of the base

1. Mix your base juice in 100% PG and let it sit and steep for some hours or a day to lock the base in PG (add some citric acid if you have it to lock it in quicker)

2. After it steeps and melds use the mixture as a new flavor concentrate called base or danish or whatever you like

3. Use this new flavor concentrate in your 100dt with whatever fruit filing you are trying to make

This will allow the base to stay intact while trying to come up with a filing, I hope I explained this well enough

Awww... why not? hahahaahaha I'm just going to call you Debbie from this point forward then! That's it, you're now officially Deb or Debbie! Neener neener

Interesting concept though! I like the thought behind it. If Bill and I can't work this out directly over the weekend, I can always do this. Cool! I'm always up for new ideas!

 

[renilyn]

That's right in line with what i told my wife yesterday haha.I told her somewhere there is someone with some old surplus suits,just sitting on a potential gold mine.


Ok back to the topic,hopefully i will have my tfa order tommorow.I have been ordering a 4oz. bottle and a few samples each week,that way i can keep the shipping at first class and not have to get into the expensive priority,which isn't really bad,but since i order every week,i would rather pay $3 shipping a week instead of $7 every time,so keeping the big bottles at 1 keeps me in the cheap shipping haha.This week i ordered a 4oz. vanilla custard,then samples of the frosted doughnut,horchata,fudge brownie,and red velvet cake.Now i will be set with big bottles of all my creams,so i can start with bigger bottles of some of the other flavors i have used alot of,but definitely wont have to worry about running out of creams for a while haha.I'm hoping the red velvet turns out to be a good flavor,as the eventual plan is to try and make up a red velvet cake with the cream cheese icing.

Ooo! Red Velvet! That was the first flavor I thought of when Bill and Mike were going back and forth about the CCI a while back. Not sure why it slipped my mind-but I think if you have success with it, I'll have to pick some up!

 

[cliffy15]

Before I get to the real meat of this post, let me post this link for some items of interest that I'm currently looking at since I think they could be very useful ... oral syringe adapters (both the screw-on kind and the push-in kind). Look here to see what I'm talking about.

Just in case anyone else might be interested.

I'm actually thinking of trying to switch to using oral syringes over needled syringes because if you've got the right bottle adapter, it's so much easier to draw your liquids by turning it over and drawing from there. Hence the link I posted above. I find them much easier to clean/maintain than needled syringes. I also don't have to manage a whole bunch of needle lengths and gauges. Will control spillage.

I've been researching and the only problem is that there's no good oral syringe adapter for small bottles - the smallest I've seen is for a 18mm OD neck. You can get the universal adapter but that will only get you so far size-wise, you have to install before dispensing and remove after. I think I'll have to try a couple of the push-in adapters and caps.

I'm thinking of transferring the flavors I know I'll be using often to semi-often to 1-oz amber bottles (maybe smaller if I can find them with the 18mm neck) as well as making larger bottles of finished flavor mixes in maybe my 120ml amber bottles.

So over the course of the last several months I've gotten a number of different types of measuring equipment. Lessons learned? Have any tips for me?

I have some graduated cylinders (10, 25, 100ml), a bunch of pipettes (1, 2, 3, 5, 10ml - both pyrex and polystyrene), two sizes of pipette pumps, syringes (10 and 30ml oral syringes, as well as a whole bunch of 1ml, 3, 5, 10, and 20ml luer lock syringes), a whole bunch of luer lock needles in various gauges and various lengths, some droppers (from Wizard Labs - fits the 8ml vials), and like one beaker.

Here is what DIY, so far, has taught me.

1. I always, always need to keep paper towels handy for drips, spills, or for putting down that just-used syringe for the 3-7 flavors that will need to be mixed.
2. Do not use droppers except for making small sample batches. They really aren't very accurate at all (maybe it's just my fingers that aren't accurate).
3. The only thing I've ever used any of my graduated cylinders for is to find out approximately how many drops/mL for various dripping caps and bottle droppers. All the others don't get used.
4. A small beaker for mixing tiny test batches would have been a good idea. (100 drop test?)
5. All mixes go directly into the bottles they will be used out of unless it is over 30ml.
6. Pipettes are pretty awesome with used with a pipette pump - but they're extremely long so sometimes it is awkward to wield them during DIY. Generally easy to rinse and clean (non-sterile cleaning). Need more storage space especially with the Pyrex ones. Gradations sometimes hard to read. Best accuracy as far as I can tell probably much more than I actually need for mixing vaping liquids with the exception of nicotine.
7. Syringes are pretty easy to use and are pretty accurate. They are generally pretty small which is good but they are genrally a pain when cleaning up since you have to disassemble to clean. Managing all the luer-lock needles and the syringes and the plungers are kind of annoying.
8. VG is a pain to deal with unless diluted (which I don't do) or heated (which I do when using mixing standard vg but I don't do to my nic - 100%vg) getting the right dispenser is kind of key. Even 14G needles take awhile to DIY with. I'm thinking I would prefer to pick up a syringe with a catheter-style tip for VG.
9. Unless you're making large batches, your largest syringes are generally unused for anything but VG. Get lots and lots of small syringes for mixing; my 1, 2, and 3ml syringes are my most used sizes.
10. Always use a funnel when transferring liquids between bottles. Always. Prevents much facepalming.

 

[vapbamafaye]

That's right in line with what i told my wife yesterday haha.I told her somewhere there is someone with some old surplus suits,just sitting on a potential gold mine.


Ok back to the topic,hopefully i will have my tfa order tommorow.I have been ordering a 4oz. bottle and a few samples each week,that way i can keep the shipping at first class and not have to get into the expensive priority,which isn't really bad,but since i order every week,i would rather pay $3 shipping a week instead of $7 every time,so keeping the big bottles at 1 keeps me in the cheap shipping haha.This week i ordered a 4oz. vanilla custard,then samples of the frosted doughnut,horchata,fudge brownie,and red velvet cake.Now i will be set with big bottles of all my creams,so i can start with bigger bottles of some of the other flavors i have used alot of,but definitely wont have to worry about running out of creams for a while haha.I'm hoping the red velvet turns out to be a good flavor,as the eventual plan is to try and make up a red velvet cake with the cream cheese icing.

If you figure out what to do with the frosted doughnut please oh please let me know. I have been tryinb to get that good and it is just not happening.

 

[disco180]

Awww... why not? hahahaahaha I'm just going to call you Debbie from this point forward then! That's it, you're now officially Deb or Debbie! Neener neener

Interesting concept though! I like the thought behind it. If Bill and I can't work this out directly over the weekend, I can always do this. Cool! I'm always up for new ideas!

Well its going to be interesting to see how this is going to work out I will be around for the final result hopefully my ingredients for the base will be here next week.

 

[b.m.]

vapbamafaye,Well,that's not very encouraging on the doughnut haha.I really only ordered it as a spur of the moment whim,not really expecting much from it,but hopeful,and because of the fact that i know if i didn't order it,then the best sounding recipe ever would be posted right after i placed the order and it would have the frosted doughnut in it haha,never fails if i dont order something,then it will show up in 20 different recipes.

Yup, the Red Velvet Cake with CC Icing is good (just dripping it on my finger tho).

But I haven't fired it up yet...

Glad to hear they work well together.Do you by any chance have a starting reccomendation for them together?

 

[vapbamafaye]

vapbamafaye,Well,that's not very encouraging on the doughnut haha.I really only ordered it as a spur of the moment whim,not really expecting much from it,but hopeful,and because of the fact that i know if i didn't order it,then the best sounding recipe ever would be posted right after i placed the order and it would have the frosted doughnut in it haha,never fails if i dont order something,then it will show up in 20 different recipes.


Glad to hear they work well together.Do you by any chance have a starting reccomendation for them together?

B.m. I have tried the doughnut at 10% and 12% by itself and it was missing something so I also tried some sweet cream didnt do it either so maybe you will come up with something good you all are more experienced and creative than me

 

[disco180]

vapbamafaye,Well,that's not very encouraging on the doughnut haha.I really only ordered it as a spur of the moment whim,not really expecting much from it,but hopeful,and because of the fact that i know if i didn't order it,then the best sounding recipe ever would be posted right after i placed the order and it would have the frosted doughnut in it haha,never fails if i dont order something,then it will show up in 20 different recipes.


Glad to hear they work well together.Do you by any chance have a starting reccomendation for them together?

The pictures on wizard's lab show a chocolate frosted doughnut, is that what it is? or is it some other frosting?

 

[vapbamafaye]

The pictures on wizard's lab show a chocolate frosted doughnut, is that what it is? or is it some other frosting?

I think it is just frosted doughnut capllea has the chocolate dougnnut but I think the one I got from tfa is just plain at least that is the way it taste

 

[renilyn]

B.m. I have tried the doughnut at 10% and 12% by itself and it was missing something so I also tried some sweet cream didnt do it either so maybe you will come up with something good you all are more experienced and creative than me

Heya

As previously stated... TFA flavors just generally aren't used in single form. They aren't made to be. Quite the opposite. Have you read through this thread at all by chance? If not. Back up about 60 days and read until you're current. I guarantee most of these questions will have answers that way and you will learn a BUNCH in a short time. I am in no way saying don't ask questions! I just want to make sure you get as much information as possible so you can enjoy your DIY experience!!!!!!!! We all started with oops down the drain batches, don't get discouraged!!! Just take some time to pick up the lil TFA nuances You'll thank yourself!

 

[renilyn]

The pictures on wizard's lab show a chocolate frosted doughnut, is that what it is? or is it some other frosting?

I don't taste chocolate in it. I just taste...hmmm... glaze I would say. It's an answer to many of my "where's the bread but not too much bread" questions (the flavor I mean).

 

[renilyn]

vapbamafaye,Well,that's not very encouraging on the doughnut haha.I really only ordered it as a spur of the moment whim,not really expecting much from it,but hopeful,and because of the fact that i know if i didn't order it,then the best sounding recipe ever would be posted right after i placed the order and it would have the frosted doughnut in it haha,never fails if i dont order something,then it will show up in 20 different recipes.


Glad to hear they work well together.Do you by any chance have a starting reccomendation for them together?

Bill, the doughnut is a good mixer flavor. Think creams!

 

[readeuler]

I don't taste chocolate in it. I just taste...hmmm... glaze I would say. It's an answer to many of my "where's the bread but not too much bread" questions (the flavor I mean).

What's the answer to "where's the bread, and I'm talking too much bread" ?

I've been considering a PB&J, and I don't have a clue what the bread might be there. It actually made me wonder about horchata, but maybe I just don't understand horchata...

 

[renilyn]

What's the answer to "where's the bread, and I'm talking too much bread" ?

I've been considering a PB&J, and I don't have a clue what the bread might be there. It actually made me wonder about horchata, but maybe I just don't understand horchata...

Horchata is sweet rice milk with vanilla and cinnamon. It's very popular in the Latin countries. Each area typically has their own method etc. Which is normal for most things like this. You should be able to sample it if you have some sort of inexpensive Mexican eatery near you. It will help

 

[b.m.]

Yeah,my brain is already turning a little bit haha.I like to dunk my doughnuts in either milk or coffee depending on mood,so i figure maybe a doughnut/cream/dulce de leche and another with one of the coffee type flavors and a bit of cream.Definitely looking forward to the red velvet/cream cheese icing though,every once in a while my wife brings some red velvet cupcakes with cream cheese icing home from the store,and i head right for them,she tries to hide them,but it never works haha,so i'm drooling over the possibility to get at least close to what those taste like.I really need to slow down on ordering flavors for a bit,i've been so busy that in the last few weeks i have accumulated like 8-9 new flavors that i have never got the chance to try yet,plus the new samples from this last order.I guess on the bright side though,if i continue to order them,then i will have plenty to keep me busy here soon when work slows down a bit for the winter.

 

[disco180]

What's the answer to "where's the bread, and I'm talking too much bread" ?

I've been considering a PB&J, and I don't have a clue what the bread might be there. It actually made me wonder about horchata, but maybe I just don't understand horchata...

I think the answer to the question is that there is no bread in TPA