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I really like creamy, bakery vapes and I want good flavor not kick you in the face flavor but as close to the real thing if that makes sense
Good morning all, done my catch up reading....you all are so active here at night...Ok, Bill's advice for Danish and fruit makes sense, I tried the 5% blueberry(wild), and well hmmmm...nothing much fruit wise at all, was wondering what on earth I did wrong, now have to try, try again. To the newer mixer, yes trial and error, I'm new too, much to learn, sometimes I feel frustrated with my duds too, as of late, there have been many....it does take time and tweaking and a lot of patience to get things to your liking, some recipes do come out perfect, others not so and take a few renditions to get where you want it..hopefully you have the flavors needed to try the recipe suggested. The 100 drop test might be very helpful for you, it's in one of Bill's blogs
Eggnog at 10%…solo…no, not for me, too much nutmeg. I need to try solo at lower % or something, fine in mix like Bill's vanilla custard though, don't get that flavor weirdness like I did from Capella' s though
Bill's Dutch apple pie-spot on, very good!!! In the Pa Dutch area there are two main apple pies, a lattice top type and crumb topping, this is the crumb topping one
Eggnog at 10%…solo…no, not for me, too much nutmeg. I need to try solo at lower % or something, fine in mix like Bill's vanilla custard though, don't get that flavor weirdness like I did from Capella' s though
Bill's Dutch apple pie-spot on, very good!!! In the Pa Dutch area there are two main apple pies, a lattice top type and crumb topping, this is the crumb topping one
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Many thanks Mom!Good morning all, done my catch up reading....you all are so active here at night...Ok, Bill's advice for Danish and fruit makes sense, I tried the 5% blueberry(wild), and well hmmmm...nothing much fruit wise at all, was wondering what on earth I did wrong, now have to try, try again. To the newer mixer, yes trial and error, I'm new too, much to learn, sometimes I feel frustrated with my duds too, as of late, there have been many....it does take time and tweaking and a lot of patience to get things to your liking, some recipes do come out perfect, others not so and take a few renditions to get where you want it..hopefully you have the flavors needed to try the recipe suggested. The 100 drop test might be very helpful for you, it's in one of Bill's blogs
Eggnog at 10%…solo…no, not for me, too much nutmeg. I need to try solo at lower % or something, fine in mix like Bill's vanilla custard though, don't get that flavor weirdness like I did from Capella' s though
Bill's Dutch apple pie-spot on, very good!!! In the Pa Dutch area there are two main apple pies, a lattice top type and crumb topping, this is the crumb topping one
Many thanks Mom!
Honestly it's much better than many vendor's...THANK YOU for sharing with us! And as with all diy, it's a better price, we can control our pg/vg and nic levels
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Under 20% TFA flavorings require longer steep times. Over 20%-30% flavorings require very little steep times. Two different mixing philosophies. Personally, I could never figure out how to make good juice when it took sometimes weeks to taste if a juice tasted good or not. I really need to know now. For this reason, I began mixing at higher percentages, and it solved that problem rather well. 90%+ flavoring at time of mix. Good at mix can become great at 48 hour steep or less. The 100 DT (drop test) allows you to taste the mix immediately and pretty much know if you have a winner or not. If not, just remix. Allows us to make multiple passes at a juice flavoring in the space of say an hour or less, and to dial it in. With lesser flavoring, you really can't use the 100DT to "adjust" the mix as steeping times are elongated/increased.
When I tried to make a vanilla custard, it took me over a year using the "less is more" technique, before I abandoned it. I made my current vanilla custard with high flavoring in a couple of hours, and it tastes better to boot. I know a lot of professional juice makers who sell commercially who have told me the same thing. If it's not at 90% at time of mix, you throw it out and start over.
Both methods work, though. One takes weeks and months to make something good, the other hours or days to make something good. It's completely up to you!
Under 20% TFA flavorings require longer steep times. Over 20%-30% flavorings require very little steep times. Two different mixing philosophies. Personally, I could never figure out how to make good juice when it took sometimes weeks to taste if a juice tasted good or not. I really need to know now. For this reason, I began mixing at higher percentages, and it solved that problem rather well. 90%+ flavoring at time of mix. Good at mix can become great at 48 hour steep or less. The 100 DT (drop test) allows you to taste the mix immediately and pretty much know if you have a winner or not. If not, just remix. Allows us to make multiple passes at a juice flavoring in the space of say an hour or less, and to dial it in. With lesser flavoring, you really can't use the 100DT to "adjust" the mix as steeping times are elongated/increased.
When I tried to make a vanilla custard, it took me over a year using the "less is more" technique, before I abandoned it. I made my current vanilla custard with high flavoring in a couple of hours, and it tastes better to boot. I know a lot of professional juice makers who sell commercially who have told me the same thing. If it's not at 90% at time of mix, you throw it out and start over.
Both methods work, though. One takes weeks and months to make something good, the other hours or days to make something good. It's completely up to you!
Just got back from Big D....Ebola country.....Boy, does Presbyterian have some problems there.....Wow!Thank you
Makes perfect sense actually Bill. With the two I did today, I was 48% overall when blending the two "together" as opposed to using my mix as a flavor. So close to your 50%! Seems I've got the idea. But MAN were they completely undetectable-NOT a fruit one when doing it that way. So, I had the same idea to go back and use the Danish-Stone as a flavoring, however, to date-I've not made a single fruit based flavor that's tasted ok after mixing. Smells TERRIFIC, even doesn't taste bad (1 drop flavoring, one drop water on the tongue
I'll go 10-15% later tonight or in the morning with my last "idea". I'll let you know if it works or not. Will you be around tomorrow or are you back traveling again? I know you said you were feeling better-but I wasn't sure if you were up to par or not
And, thank you for asking. I'm a solid 95% today!
So, I'm around today.
Here's a thought.....Maybe your base is it's own flavoring and not compatible with the filling portion. Don't know.....
Seems to me that I start with the filling, get that right, then try for the doughy/bread-like flavoring as one flavor in the mix, an undertone really, starting at 1-5% in with the filling mix. So, make the filling with the normal 10-15% fruit, add vanilla, creams and sweetener to about 25%, then add the base at 1% intervals trying to add that flavoring to the mix without taking away the filling. I do plan to do this over the weekend with your base, but this is how I'm going to try to do it.
Hello can someone please help me up a little bit , im trying to make a Pineapple and tabacco e liquid with a little touch of koolada.
I tried this:
8% Turkish TFA
4% Pineapple TFA
1% Koolada
0.5% M Premium
Im really new at this , i just want to replicate a flavor i recently taste over here in Mexico , right now withe the mix above the pinneaple seems tooo sweet, do you think adding some lemon will help i want it to be a fresh citric pinneaple instead of the sweet one.
I tried this:
8% Turkish TFA
4% Pineapple TFA
1% Koolada
0.5% M Premium
Im really new at this , i just want to replicate a flavor i recently taste over here in Mexico , right now withe the mix above the pinneaple seems tooo sweet, do you think adding some lemon will help i want it to be a fresh citric pinneaple instead of the sweet one.
I can't say for sure,but i would try a very small amount of real lemon juice,maybe a few drops,to see if it helps.I have read alot about using lemon juice or apple cider vinegar for various flavors,so it may be worth trying on a small batch.
I'm actually very interested in what you find,as i am planning on trying a few different fruit/tobacco mixes,only difference is i'm using real tobacco extracts,but plan on trying 1 each of peach,pineapple,and coconut.So your findings may very well help in my venture as well.
I'm actually very interested in what you find,as i am planning on trying a few different fruit/tobacco mixes,only difference is i'm using real tobacco extracts,but plan on trying 1 each of peach,pineapple,and coconut.So your findings may very well help in my venture as well.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the real lemon! I did read that in Hoosier's blog. "Yes, the stuff that comes in the plastic lemon" if I'm remembering correctly
I've been wanting to make a pink lemonade or kiwi lemonade, and I've seen the "you'll want the tartaric acid, not in any TFA flavors" comments. Perhaps that would help with a TFA lemonade plus a little grocery store lemon...
Good thinking, Bill!
I tried this too and it was really good.
hehehe I'm making a batch up with the CCI this morning, I can't WAIT!
(I may add a drop or two of sweetener )
Not me....
Tis the high school chem nerd in me coming out when I see that!!!!!!! I KNOW I wont, but it SOOOO looks interesting to play with!
I tried this too and it was really good.
(P.S.-I hope you like it-it's YOURS
)From what i have read,you want to use that real lemon in very small amounts,maybe 1-2 drops,but yeah adding to lemonade may be just what it needs.I tried a lemonade several months ago,i didn't have the tfa lemon then though,so i used some lemon extract i had.It was made from real lemon,but it was more of the zest taste plus it was carried in alchohol.No matter what i did it never even got close,so i gave up on that one.Now that i have some tfa lemon,i may have to follow what your thinking and try it with a bit of grocery store lemon and a bit of sweetener.Pink lemonade sonds like it could be a winner too.
hehehe I'm making a batch up with the CCI this morning, I can't WAIT!
When i first seen his recipe posted,i cut out the cotton candy completely and used 1% straight sucralose.It is very good that way too,but be warned if you use straight undiluted sweetener,your wicks and coils will be black after maybe 10ml.It was so good like that,that i just changed my wicks every day haha.I have 30ml of his original recipe still,but when it's gone,i think i may try it maybe 5% cotton candy and 1-2% diluted sweetener,figure if i change things up a bit from time to time,i should never get burnt out on the good stuff haha.
I could not make lemonade with TFA flavors alone. Could never get the sour taste. When I switched to FW lemonade (I also tried LA), I was able to get there, and did post a recipe earlier. When I asked Linda about it at TFA, she suggested possibly the lime....but that didn't work either. Neither did LA sour, or TFA sweet and sour, or anything else I tried.
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