The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread
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I mostly use 1, 3, 10 and 30 ml syringes. For larger batches I also use 60 and 100 ml. One key is to get some needle nose plastic needles that you can cut and open up for use with VG. Makes it a lot easier. I don't use much glass syringes. When I need to use glass, I use graduated cylinders (10, 50, 100 and 250 mls), and glass droppers. Also, you need a batch of 100 ml beakers. Set of 10 or 12 is about ten bucks or so. buy the boxes of plastic syringes and you can get a whole box for not much more than one, two or three single syringes. Because I have the boxes, I run through them pretty quick, but they still last a year or more. Good luck!
Since Im still only doing 10ml batches Ive gotten by with 2 3ml, and I have literally a blisterpack of these 1ml. I have like 4 of the 1ml's set aside for putting in flavoring since Ive never gone over 1ml in my mixes. One of the 3ccs has a needle and is used for PG and nic (which is PG based), and the other one doesnt have a needle and thats what I use for VG. Its a PAIN trying to suck up VG with anything smaller than a 14ga needle and all mine are 18ga. You can do those measurements with the 3ccs I have though. Each ml is marked in .1's. I havent even opened my 10 or 20ml ones yet, but then again I dont have a bottle big enough to make more than 15ml at the moment.. If you check out that thread I posted in my last reply, syringes should be polypropylene and wont get damaged by tank crackers.. It shouldnt matter in a syringe since the plunger should push it all out anyways, but Ive noticed that in my glass bottles I put my mixes in, the VG likes to stick wherever it is on the glass. its often all sitting up at the top of the bottle not even in the mix, where it rolls right off of my plastic bottles and down into the juice.. This is why I bought a propylene conical vial to mix big batches in over glass.
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Thanks MOV, BMV & Monotremata! As usual, here in the awesome TFA thread, I ask a question and get BLASTED with a ton of useful info.
Of course, now I have to mull it over... and figure out what will work best for me. But it's nice to have my hand held
Seriously, are there vape consultants? Because someday (when I grow up) that's what I'm gonna be! I KNOW there's a market for it, lol!
Of course, now I have to mull it over... and figure out what will work best for me. But it's nice to have my hand held
Seriously, are there vape consultants? Because someday (when I grow up) that's what I'm gonna be! I KNOW there's a market for it, lol!
I just mixed nectarine with a little strawberry (ripe) and it tastes very similar to tfa bubblegum--slightly fruitier, but definitely has that bubblegummy powder-on-the-wrapper flavor. How odd and lovely!
I can't give precise percentages, unfortunately, because I am using my special half-assed method to mess around and become familiar with flavors and flavor combos: I have a bunch of bottles of TFA flavors mixed into base at 15-30%, depending, and I sit them all out at the table and throw them in various combinations in my tank... If it's good without too much fixing, I make notes. This doesn't actually net me any real recipes, but it does give me ideas.
By the way: MOV, is there some reason you linked to that particular glass syringe--is it special? I ask because there are cheaper others that look the same (to me), like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-x-Cute-Mi...234?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bac4ffb2
I can't give precise percentages, unfortunately, because I am using my special half-assed method to mess around and become familiar with flavors and flavor combos: I have a bunch of bottles of TFA flavors mixed into base at 15-30%, depending, and I sit them all out at the table and throw them in various combinations in my tank... If it's good without too much fixing, I make notes. This doesn't actually net me any real recipes, but it does give me ideas.
By the way: MOV, is there some reason you linked to that particular glass syringe--is it special? I ask because there are cheaper others that look the same (to me), like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-x-Cute-Mi...234?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bac4ffb2
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Certain flavors whether a tank cracker or not,will definitely ruin a syringe.Ripe banana is a perfect example of this.It doesn't affect the polypropylene from what i could tell,but it will destroy the rubber plunger.If you draw ripe banana into a syringe with the rubber plunger,it will instantly lock that syringe up and render it useless,ask me how i found that one out haha.
So you use a disposable pipette for flavors like blueberry candy or ripe banana--the super tank crackers? Or you just have to use glass?
You can use a syringe if you keep an air bubble between the stopper and the fluid. I noticed they super crackers can cloud up some disposable droppers. Just have to play around with what you have to find out what works.
I'm a nurse so I have unlimited access to disposable syringes if I mess one up.
I'm a nurse so I have unlimited access to disposable syringes if I mess one up.
OK if anybody ever wants to try TFAs blue raspberry don't go past about 12%! My last batch at 10% was almost there so I went all the way to 15 this time. I love vaping perfume!! First bottle I've had to dump..
I dont have any glass syringes,so the couple times i have used the banana,yes i used a pipette.I didn't notice any cloudiness with it,but i'm not sure if there were any unseen problems,although i do still have that same pipette,as i rinsed it out and keep it just for that flavor.
That's a good idea about leaving an air bubble.I found the hard way about the banana locking up the syringe.I had read about it before so i planned ahead and had my pipette sitting next to it ready for when i got to that flavor.When i got to it,i completely forgot and grabbed a syringe,dipped it into the flavoring and drew up like a 1/2 ml or something like that,but anyway,i almost knocked over the bottle i was mixing when i tried to push the plunger down haha.That thing would not budge,suddenly i remembered that pipette that was now sitting on the floor from me jarring the table when the syringe froze up.It's amazing how fast you remember something,after a near disaster haha.
Ok, what is up with TFA Pumpkin Spice?! I have it mixed at 25% with 30/70, 18mg. I purposely made it strong to use as "a drop or two" here and there with my special patented half-... mixing method (described above).
My first time ever using it, I was trying to make a version of pumpkin spice latte using a base of 1ml of a vendor's plain coffee ejuice. (Unknown flavoring agent int he coffee, but it's a plain-ish coffee, not bitter or sweet). To this 1 ml I added 4 drops of my TFA P. Spice (mixed at 25%) and several drops of TFA sweet cream (pre-mixed at 12%). It is a complete disaster--tastes nothing like pumpkin spice, but rather overwhelmingly like a bitter ginger coffee. I expect Pumpkin Spice to smell/taste like the stuff you buy from McCormick at the grocery--the stuff you put in pumpkin pie, which contains, if I recall: cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg, clove --in that order. (Possibly allspice, too... hrm. Maybe it's allspice I'm tasting as so bitter. )
Maybe I need to dilute the 25% mixture and try again. Anyone have happy results with Pumpkin Spice in any permutation? What percentages are you using?
My first time ever using it, I was trying to make a version of pumpkin spice latte using a base of 1ml of a vendor's plain coffee ejuice. (Unknown flavoring agent int he coffee, but it's a plain-ish coffee, not bitter or sweet). To this 1 ml I added 4 drops of my TFA P. Spice (mixed at 25%) and several drops of TFA sweet cream (pre-mixed at 12%). It is a complete disaster--tastes nothing like pumpkin spice, but rather overwhelmingly like a bitter ginger coffee. I expect Pumpkin Spice to smell/taste like the stuff you buy from McCormick at the grocery--the stuff you put in pumpkin pie, which contains, if I recall: cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg, clove --in that order. (Possibly allspice, too... hrm. Maybe it's allspice I'm tasting as so bitter. )
Maybe I need to dilute the 25% mixture and try again. Anyone have happy results with Pumpkin Spice in any permutation? What percentages are you using?
Your mixing method is not new, but you have expanded the milkstone base concept well past it's workabililty. Most recipes don't work with multiple base/stone mixes. I have exactly one such recipe, which I call Cream Fantastico. Every now and then, I'll hear about others, but you don't take all your juices, make them into their own bases and think you mix flavors that way. Sorry, but I think you are on the wrong track. Occasionally, you may find a recipe that works this way, but there's so many, many proven recipes that do work, why not try them? Why think you need to reinvent the wheel, and then ask us for help on techniques that many of us already know don't work. The alternative is to learn from those that have come before you, and build on solid, proven successes. Forgive me, but I have no idea how to make your recipes work from your approach, though I do have a hundred or more really good recipes, I just don't approach them the way you are. Also, some flavorings don't work well together. Coffee is a tough recipe to start with. I have found the key is to add chocolate, that eliminates the "dirt" taste that I don't like so much. Even so, I still have to add cream in it to get it to a vapable concoction.
Personally, I don't care how you want to mix your juice up, I just don't know how to help you with your approach, nor do I think anyone else will be able to solve your problem either. But I'm proven wrong all the time, and I will keep an open mind. I have some blogs on mixing that you may find helpful. Others have. Just sayin'....
I've always used the air bubble technique, but only because I can't read the dang syringe when I don't have an air bubble. Apparently, that's just me though, so I haven't frozen a syringe yet. I have turned my juice a milky cloudy which was the plastic melting with certain juices. Some tank crackers take all night to destroy the tank. I know this from experimentation, so they don't melt anything ATM, and I only use glass bottles, so even so, I haven't had that much problems in this area, maybe only two or three occurrences.
Banana ripe had no effects on my syringe and it even sat in it for quite some time. None of my flavors have messed up any syringe. It has taken out 2 kayfun plastic tanks but thats it
Pumpkin Spice is extremely bitter. Go grab some pumpkin spice out of a spice cabinet and try to eat a spoon of it.
It has to be sweetened and creamed and whipped a lot before it becomes the pumpkin pie filling or the latte taste your talking about.
By using a vendor juice as a stone your fighting a loosing battle. There's no way of telling how any flavoring will react with the mystery juice.
If I had to do what your doing as a shot in the dark I'd sweet cream 4% french vanilla 4% and Em 4-8% instead of that 12% Sweet cream. That would probably be a better starting point.
Your mixing method is not new, but you have expanded the milkstone base concept well past it's workabililty. Most recipes don't work with multiple base/stone mixes. I have exactly one such recipe, which I call Cream Fantastico. Every now and then, I'll hear about others, but you don't take all your juices, make them into their own bases and think you mix flavors that way. Sorry, but I think you are on the wrong track. Occasionally, you may find a recipe that works this way, but there's so many, many proven recipes that do work, why not try them? Why think you need to reinvent the wheel, and then ask us for help on techniques that many of us already know don't work. The alternative is to learn from those that have come before you, and build on solid, proven successes. Forgive me, but I have no idea how to make your recipes work from your approach, though I do have a hundred or more really good recipes, I just don't approach them the way you are. Also, some flavorings don't work well together. Coffee is a tough recipe to start with. I have found the key is to add chocolate, that eliminates the "dirt" taste that I don't like so much. Even so, I still have to add cream in it to get it to a vapable concoction.
Personally, I don't care how you want to mix your juice up, I just don't know how to help you with your approach, nor do I think anyone else will be able to solve your problem either. But I'm proven wrong all the time, and I will keep an open mind. I have some blogs on mixing that you may find helpful. Others have. Just sayin'....
I suspected irritation might be a possible reaction to the way I've presented my issue, my variant (and apparently not workable over the long-term) method. Quite understndable, especially given the context here where another technique is predominantly used. There are logistical reasons why I have been stuck with this method until now, which I'll omit. But that should be changing soon!
Basically, the aim of my post was to get an idea about the TFA Pumpkin Spice and why it would taste so awful at such a low percentage of the whole. Next time, I'll come right to the point
Thanks for taking a stab, lol! I know what you mean about Pumpkin Spice--the real thing--being bitter. But my result seems over the top.
Even just vaping it alone diluted to [what would convert to about] 1-2% it still tastes overwhelming to me. And almost entirely like ginger.
Soon I will have a clean space and will be able to learn/work/speak in the more common language of percentages of the whole. I'll be able to experiment more easily with fractions of a percent then. I'm guessing this is one of those that you need extremely little of!
edit: Hey, that was mean to tell me to eat a spoonful of pumpkin spice! I'm hallucinating now...
(no... I didn't really do it
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Got my first 4oz bottles today, lime and coconut....surprised at the size after working with mini-sample sizes, for so long, and just wow....for price paid, this will last awhile mixing for my mom...a good long while, I'm so tickled by these bottles actually They are just so BIG!!!!
Yes pumpkin spice strong, I'm getting over another nasty virus....so I haven't been mixing things, or been posting much, my sense of smell and taste so messed up right now, but I do remember that was a pretty strong one, sorry can't help more just yet....last trial mixes I made had ps at 1% and I felt was strong for my tastes and was going to try at 0.5% next....just haven't gotten there yet, I'm guessing you were trying to dilute it first, I've heard people doing this before with stronger flavors. We'll figure it out maybe
They are just so BIG!!!!Yes pumpkin spice strong, I'm getting over another nasty virus....so I haven't been mixing things, or been posting much, my sense of smell and taste so messed up right now, but I do remember that was a pretty strong one, sorry can't help more just yet....last trial mixes I made had ps at 1% and I felt was strong for my tastes and was going to try at 0.5% next....just haven't gotten there yet, I'm guessing you were trying to dilute it first, I've heard people doing this before with stronger flavors. We'll figure it out
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