The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[MonicaRae]

Be careful. I tried the same thing twice - here's my first recipe & im only posting it as a "DO NOT FOLLOW"

Blueberry Cheescake Experiment

Blueberry Extra - 8%
Butter - 2%
NY Cheesecake - 10 %
Dulce de Leche - 2%
Vanilla Custard - 2%

I also have one labeled Blueberry Cheescake Experiment #2 - it's just as awful. I brought the cheescake down to 8% and upped the Blueberry to 12% cuz you can hardly taste it. I need to order a different blueberry. The NY Cheesecake isn't bad but I'm thinking next time stay around 4%??

Let me know what you come up with!

 

[vapbamafaye]

Be careful. I tried the same thing twice - here's my first recipe & im only posting it as a "DO NOT FOLLOW"

Blueberry Cheescake Experiment

Blueberry Extra - 8%
Butter - 2%
NY Cheesecake - 10 %
Dulce de Leche - 2%
Vanilla Custard - 2%

I also have one labeled Blueberry Cheescake Experiment #2 - it's just as awful. I brought the cheescake down to 8% and upped the Blueberry to 12% cuz you can hardly taste it. I need to order a different blueberry. The NY Cheesecake isn't bad but I'm thinking next time stay around 4%??

Let me know what you come up with!

I want to work on this but I don't have any other flavors at the moment so I am going to start low and work up two different batches this weekend with the different cheesecake I have from tfa

 

[MasteroftheVape]

Tfa cheesecake graham crust is much better than plain cheesecake. Use it 3-6%, it gets heavy quick. Add in 2% graham cracker and you will have a running start.

 

[vapbamafaye]

Tfa cheesecake graham crust is much better than plain cheesecake. Use it 3-6%, it gets heavy quick. Add in 2% graham cracker and you will have a running start.

Thank you I will try that never thought of adding more graham to already graham cravker.

 

[MasteroftheVape]

The added graham cracker tones it down a notch and helps round it out.

 

[purelyscientific]

I'm thinking about making a apple cake batter type juice. I've been playing around with the percentages in my head and here's what I came up with.

Yellow Cake Batter(FW)- 4%
Cake batter- 4%
Graham Cracker crust- 3%
French Vanilla- 2%
Caramel- 1%
Dutch apple pie(FW)- 1%

I'd like it to have a strong cake batter base with notes of vanilla and a very subtle hint of applepie. I had bought Graham cracker crust a while back and I think I had also bought Cheesecake graham crust flavor but I can't seem to find the Cheesecake graham crust flavor. I distinctly remember one of the graham cracker flavors I bought had some acetyl pyrazine notes to it. I think it was the cheesecake graham crust. Can anyone confirm this? I'd love to have that bready flavor in the mix.

Any suggestions or comments are more than welcome.

 

[MasteroftheVape]

Just got a lemo and thought I'd share it's goodness with the folks in this thread. Airflow is pretty fantastic, almost as good as the magma. Flavor is spot on, not quite as good as a dual coil magma but better than kayfun and on par with the heron.

Got it by a 3.1 for size comparison... sucker is pretty big.

 

[Rin13]

I want the Lemo Drop desperately but am trying to control myself. Money is tight right now.

Just got a lemo and thought I'd share it's goodness with the folks in this thread. Airflow is pretty fantastic, almost as good as the magma. Flavor is spot on, not quite as good as a dual coil magma but better than kayfun and on par with the heron.

Got it by a 3.1 for size comparison... sucker is pretty big.

 

[Rin13]

I think the BLueberry is actually way too high at 8%. The flavors from TFA labelled as Extra are more concentrated than their counterparts. I've only used Blueberry extra at 3% at it's highest. I think the Cheesecake is too high as well. You could probably half most of those percentages and be good. Maybe try adding more base to dilute it before pitching it. (if you haven't already) It will probably need to steep a little as well.

Be careful. I tried the same thing twice - here's my first recipe & im only posting it as a "DO NOT FOLLOW"

Blueberry Cheescake Experiment

Blueberry Extra - 8%
Butter - 2%
NY Cheesecake - 10 %
Dulce de Leche - 2%
Vanilla Custard - 2%

I also have one labeled Blueberry Cheescake Experiment #2 - it's just as awful. I brought the cheescake down to 8% and upped the Blueberry to 12% cuz you can hardly taste it. I need to order a different blueberry. The NY Cheesecake isn't bad but I'm thinking next time stay around 4%??

Let me know what you come up with!

 

[facedown]

I have been following this thread for several months, learning a lot and, of course, trying out many of the recipes. I particularly enjoy Bill's concoctions (Cherries Jubilee is extraordinary) but hit a snag on the one I'd like to try next. His Apple Frosted Danish has 8 flavors but the eJuice Me Up calculator only has lines for seven. Is there a way to make the calculator add an additional line or do I just need to use a different calculator for this one?

 

[jbushman26]

I think the BLueberry is actually way too high at 8%. The flavors from TFA labelled as Extra are more concentrated than their counterparts. I've only used Blueberry extra at 3% at it's highest. I think the Cheesecake is too high as well. You could probably half most of those percentages and be good. Maybe try adding more base to dilute it before pitching it. (if you haven't already) It will probably need to steep a little as well.

I agree decreasing the Cheesecake would help, probably 3-6% or lower would do, but IMO 8% Blueberry Extra is not way too high. I'm trying it at 12% in my Iced Blueberry Cake Donut recipe and it's very tasty. I also agree adding Graham Cracker or Pie Crust and maybe a non-custard vanilla (french vanilla is my fav flav) and sweetener would help.

 

[jbushman26]

Blueberry Extra 10%
French Vanilla 5%
Cheesecake Graham Cracker 4%
Graham Cracker 2%
Brown Sugar 1%
EM 2%

Maybe toss in a couple of drops of lemon and a drop of cinnamon per 15ml.

Maybe something like that? I think the combo of butter, cheesecake, and custard might be leading to your troubles. Good luck.

 

[dhaiken]

I have been following this thread for several months, learning a lot and, of course, trying out many of the recipes. I particularly enjoy Bill's concoctions (Cherries Jubilee is extraordinary) but hit a snag on the one I'd like to try next. His Apple Frosted Danish has 8 flavors but the eJuice Me Up calculator only has lines for seven. Is there a way to make the calculator add an additional line or do I just need to use a different calculator for this one?

I had the same problem.
I entered the 8th ingredient as Water/Vodka to get the calculations accurate.
Then make a note in the comments section as to the flavor substituted.
Not perfect, but functional.

 

[facedown]

Very clever! That will fix this one. But what if there are 9.....

 

[MonicaRae]

Thanks for the suggestions on my nasty cheescake recipe - I have some starting points to go on now. I don't have TFA Cheescake or Cheescake w. Graham Cracker but I'll pick the latter up next time.

Question. I got TFA Dairy in my last order and I'm dying to use it - I'm wondering if I should try it alone with a fruit? I put it in a recipe in place of a cream and the recipe did not come out good but I also did some funky stuff in that recipe so I'm not sure where the big F for FAIL landed.........

What do ya guys think? Blueberry Extra and Dairy?? or maybe Raspberry.

Idk where to go with Blueberry Extra -- 4% maybe and then Dairy 4%? That would give me a good chance to taste em both...ya think?

 

[E_Cig Vicious]

I've always used the air bubble technique, but only because I can't read the dang syringe when I don't have an air bubble. Apparently, that's just me though, so I haven't frozen a syringe yet. I have turned my juice a milky cloudy which was the plastic melting with certain juices. Some tank crackers take all night to destroy the tank. I know this from experimentation, so they don't melt anything ATM, and I only use glass bottles, so even so, I haven't had that much problems in this area, maybe only two or three occurrences.

So you pull the liquid up into syringe to the say the .5ml line? If so it's going to be about .55ml
My testing shows if you use this bubble technique to the line you are actually halfway to the next gradual line in amount.
I thought alcohol and oil type flavors are the culprit to the cloudyness.

 

[MasteroftheVape]

The measurement with the air bubble is accurate if you draw all the liquid out of the needle. The added amount you find is because the bubble will push the liquid out of the needle when you use the plunger.

Normally the needle would retain the liquid inside due to the negative pressure.

 

[Phassat]

I saw some of the flavor that being used here is the one with acetoin..... On TFA website, they have warning about it... Why is it still being used?
I am a noob.... just started doing DIY with Dow PG and VG. Purchase several local flavoring but planning to make a purchase on TFA.

 

[Mrdaputer]

I saw some of the flavor that being used here is the one with acetoin..... On TFA website, they have warning about it... Why is it still being used?
I am a noob.... just started doing DIY with Dow PG and VG. Purchase several local flavoring but planning to make a purchase on TFA.

I think they mean use at your own risk. I do use some juices that are so called bad for you. I like the flavor and to me it is still a whole lot better than smoking. So if it keep me off cigs it is worth the risk to me.

 

[baseballmom]

Ohhhhh....a highly loaded question that is debated on this and other forums...well I think a lot is going to be based on personal choice and informed decisions, and this can be a very complicated and personal matter a lot out there to read... tfa is pretty transparent on the custard notes/diketones, they also offer a lot without these and have changed some flavorings to reflect the concern being made about inhaling these notes, some flavors are hard to replicate without, so they let you know if there for you to make your own decision. Lovevanilla has a wonderful thread somewhere here on ecf of the tfa diketone free flavors, if you want I can find, it's his thread not mine but has some really good info. ....and if making recipes from others posted here, making the changes/flavor swaps as needed to avoid diketones shouldn't be too hard having the info on the tfa site or finding replacements of another brand if needed. I guess even just the act of vaping could be debated too, many of us do as harm reduction in comparison to cigarettes and all the chemicals we were inhaling as smokers....so decisions to make could include...100% diketone free flavors, it can be done, limiting the %'s in a recipe if use a flavor containing, vaping diketone flavors just rarely, vaping flavors containing, vaping unflavored, or not vaping at all, all personal choices.

This is just my opinion, I am not telling anyone what to do or how to mix, I believe and support free will and informed choices which are individual, if my recipes contain a flavor containing, one can use as is or sub out, I share to share, and take absolutely no offense in alterations/flavor subs, I don't put this as a disclaimer on my recipes because I feel it is the mixers's own personal responsibility if avoiding diketones to find and use the replacement flavors they trust and prefer to use, and I can do the same too. I make for myself and family, I am not in the juice making business luckily, I can imagine it's much more complicated now with these concerns arising about flavorings.