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This is precisely why I store mine in 30ml bottles; I never make much juice at once, and one 30ml bottle of 100mg nicotine lasts me a couple months to use up; i don't want a bottle of nicotine opened more than that. also, the small bottles store very easily; I use the same box they came in, and just stack 'em up. Takes very little space.

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I have 1.5 liters in my freezer now. I started at 24mg but now I'm down to 6mg. At 6, that should last a long time. But that would be fifty 30ml bottles, and that's a heck of a lot of bottles! If you store in boxes you are either not freezing it or you have quite a large deep freezer without all the frozen food most people stuff in them. And it may be more important to store in the freezer than a couple extra openings. Anyway, the way I threaded that needle is I broke the liters into something like a 500ml bottle, a 250 ml bottle, a 120ml bottle, and a couple 30ml and 60 ml bottles. I keep one 30ml bottle at room temp in a cabinet. My thinking is that, worst case, the NIC will get transferred a couple of times, something like 500ml-->250ml-->120ML-30/60ML over the course of a year or two or more. My sense is that those few pours are not going to degrade things. Now, if I kept a liter or 500ml bottle in a cabinet and drew from it a hundred times, that would be different, and that is what I'm trying to avoid.

Just my own take on that, with no hard evidence.
 

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I have 1.5 liters in my freezer now. I started at 24mg but now I'm down to 6mg. At 6, that should last a long time. But that would be fifty 30ml bottles, and that's a heck of a lot of bottles! If you store in boxes you are either not freezing it or you have quite a large deep freezer without all the frozen food most people stuff in them. And it may be more important to store in the freezer than a couple extra openings. Anyway, the way I threaded that needle is I broke the liters into something like a 500ml bottle, a 250 ml bottle, a 120ml bottle, and a couple 30ml and 60 ml bottles. I keep one 30ml bottle at room temp in a cabinet. My thinking is that, worst case, the NIC will get transferred a couple of times, something like 500ml-->250ml-->120ML-30/60ML over the course of a year or two or more. My sense is that those few pours are not going to degrade things. Now, if I kept a liter or 500ml bottle in a cabinet and drew from it a hundred times, that would be different, and that is what I'm trying to avoid.

Just my own take on that, with no hard evidence.

I use the boxes that the bottles came in; we have a good-sized side-by-side Frigidaire, so it's pretty dang deep; I'm using the bottom, which goes all the way to the back; the box's footprint exactly fits the size of the "tray" molding on the bottom, and I stack the boxes. I can get a lot of those boxes in there without bothering the food-storage shelves higher up. :D :thumb: Of course, my husband will have to sacrifice some ice cream storage. :D He's getting too fat anyway. :D

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I am, personally, mostly focused on my 35 years of smoking, and replacing smoking with vaping, a great step in the right direction, I hope!

If I was worried about diketones, I would also be worried about the air I breathe, the water I drink, the food I eat, herbicides, pesticides, processed food, etc., all of which are equally toxic to diketones, or worse. How about twenty five years of Roundup on our food, the most toxic substance on Earth to plants? GMO's were created to survive this toxic pesticide. Now it's in about 70% of the food chain in the U.S. You cannot live in urban/suburban United States, and prevent exposure to chemicals that are bad for you. I suspect many of them will get me before the diketones, and so I don't worry about it.
Yes...exactly this. imo
 

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Howdy y'all! Started DIY about 3 weeks and I ain't doin' too bad. :D So I started reading this thread on page....1. Lots to read and a ton of super info. Thanks!! :thumbs: I kept seeing "the list" with all the suggested usage percentages and the list kept growing. Got to page 50ish and thought, "Dumb A! Go to the last page and work backwards to find the most up-to-date changes. Duh!!" (I'm slow but I'm steady. ;)) After going backwards for around 50ish pages, I still haven't found it. Did it end up in its own thread somewhere? :confused:
Well look who's here!
There is a wealth of information here.
I wish I had access to this many resources when I first started.
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Howdy y'all! Started DIY about 3 weeks and I ain't doin' too bad. :D So I started reading this thread on page....1. Lots to read and a ton of super info. Thanks!! :thumbs: I kept seeing "the list" with all the suggested usage percentages and the list kept growing. Got to page 50ish and thought, "Dumb A! Go to the last page and work backwards to find the most up-to-date changes. Duh!!" (I'm slow but I'm steady. ;)) After going backwards for around 50ish pages, I still haven't found it. Did it end up in its own thread somewhere? :confused:

Hiya Red! Nice to see you over here!

Not as much bacon though...:lol:
 
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Hiya Red! Nice to see you over here!

Not as much bacon though...:lol:

Well, sure there is! :D Great to see you and "D", too! :)

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This is from a friend here on ECF
You may find it interesting ... I did

"First, the following does not intend to imply there is no harm, nor that I think it is safe. It's just the explanation of what I think and why I think it.

I used to design wastewater systems for a living. I was called out to Pop Weaver for a big project to figure out how to handle their issue and what my company could do to help. This was early 2000's when "popcorn lung" was a news story on TV... The entire site, inside and outside the buildings was a dingy yellow and the smell of butter was overwhelming. My task was to make sure the "D-word" was isolated from the waste stream, contained, and able to be removed offsite for disposal without a reasonable chance that the new reg's for the D-word would be violated.

The stuff was so thick that I smelled like butter for a week after every site visit. It was so thick that it was like a fog outside and a steambath of the stuff inside the buildings. This place had over 100 workers exposed to this stuff every single day and amazingly high concentrations for years on end. This one location had one, that's a "1", worker that had symptoms of popcorn lung. Nasty thing and there is still no known cure. But during the research for my work about this stuff and the number of workers diagnosed was a small percentage. The problem with the small percentage was that the ties to the D-word were just discovered, the disease was nasty and fatal, and OSHA had to act fast. There was no time for real studies as it had already become a media circus and OSHA was under pressure.

So, what I found was, in simple terms, that OSHA could detect X amount that was measurable and to make sure these worker deaths did not occur, they set the "Safe Exposure" level below what they could measure accurately. Now this exposure level is taken as some kind of absolute, or like it was derived by rigorous science, instead of the knee-jerk it was.

If the safe exposure level is what is published and used, then all those workers I encountered, and myself are dead. There is obviously persons who are sensitive and those who are not. I'm real sure I'm not predisposed to popcorn lung. That's why I'm not concerned with custard notes in my vape
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LOVE the bacon Red :lol:
 

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I find myself wondering if this "scare" about PHMs (potentially harmful materials ) is just more propaganda from big tobacco and big pharma.after reading 2 claims that you should only use pharmaceutical grade PG which is not available to DIYers or small juice makers I looked at the chemical analysis from one major PG producer.the 0.3% of impurities are mostly water. the levels of PHMs are 1 PPM of less and are compounds that would pose and ingestion risk at much higher levels.this USP kosher grade stuff is cleaner than the air we breath. the only threat I could find from vaping were to the profits of tobacco and pharmaceutical companies from smokers using vaporizer to quit smoking.
 

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Just for clarification purposes, I want to make the distinction between diacetyl, the "popcorn lung chemical" that has caused the bulk of the "diketone" concerns, and TFA flavorings, NONE of which contain any diacetyl, at any level, regardless of whether they are free or laden with diketones. A couple of chemicals can degrade into diacetyl under generally higher than normal vaping heat conditions, and at almost immeasurable levels, none of which mimic vaping as far as I can tell, or have read about.

Foods like butter, cream and buttermilk all contain diacetyl, and acetoin, all occurring naturally as part of the fermentation process (cultured). Butter without diacetyl and acetoin would not be yellow, and would be virtually tasteless. Also, inhalation of the powder form of the chemical over a long period of time is what caused the lung health problems, including one death, with the popcorn factory workers, and we are not duplicating those exposures by merely vaping a custard flavoring here and there. Plenty of documentation out there, including Wikipedia, and others:

Diacetyl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Personally, I think it's all overblown, but, please do your own research and draw your own conclusions folks. For everyone's sake, be safe, good luck, and happy vaping! :2c::2c: :toast: :D

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I'm gonna add my "Amen" to this discussion. I've damn sure been exposed to far too many "dangerous" chemicals over the years and at 59 I'm still alive and kicking and not too much worse for wear--and putting up a pretty good fuss when needed ;)

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    I don't worry about those things either. I'm just getting my feet wet with DIY but have little concern over trace amounts of chemicals that may or may not harm me.

    On a happier note, I've been vaping Bill's Lemon Meringue Pie for over a week now and loving it. I did up the lemon and graham cracker percentages up one percent each though. Thanks again Bill.
     

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    I don't worry about those things either. I'm just getting my feet wet with DIY but have little concern over trace amounts of chemicals that may or may not harm me.

    On a happier note, I've been vaping Bill's Lemon Meringue Pie for over a week now and loving it. I did up the lemon and graham cracker percentages up one percent each though. Thanks again Bill.
    That lemon meringue is amazing ! Made some earlier in the week and going to make a larger batch soon
     

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    Like Bill and others have pointed out several times before, Im sure the tiny as hell amounts of diketones some of us are vaping pale in comparison to the carcinogens some of us smoked constantly for 20+ years.. I remember around 2005/6, my beloved Camel filters underwent some rather odd change in taste the last time California did their gigantic tax hike on tobacco. Do we even have a clue as to what Camel did to the 'recipe' that completely changed the taste of their smokes?? Nope and we never will, but we kept smoking em anyways like little sheep.. What I do know is after almost a year of vaping and coming up on six months of making my own juices, my body feels a hell of a lot more 'normal' now. My constantly plugged sinuses are gone, my migraines have almost disappeared, I can smell and taste food in a whole new way now, and I just generally feel better now.. In fact I think Im going to go drip some of this Grape Bazooka mix in front of me right now.. WHERES THAT DERRINGER AT???
     

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    I actually saw an anti-vaping commercial the other night on tv hah. They tried throwing images of a toddler grabbing daddys Ego when he wasnt looking, a guy sitting on the couch cloud chasing with his little ones there, all sorts of their same crap. I couldnt help but laugh. My boss at my last job always used to tell me 'You know youre still smoking with that thing', really?? Dont think so, get educated.

    Oh well, I just got another 240ml of 100mg nic from Vaperstek yesterday sitting in the fridge, another liter each of PG and VG from Essential Depot, and now that Im down to 6mg, and possibly retiring my tanks for my drippers and dropping to 3mg, my new hobby isnt going anywhere for a couple of years at this point..
     

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    My favorite line, heard just the other day, and not the first time by far....

    "You know, they're worse than cigarettes"

    And it's always said with great authority and conviction. My standard response "Really? Tell me why?"
    I never get a coherent answer. Because, hey, they read it on the internet, so it must be true. Now the gov't is beaming it down on commercials.
     

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    My favorite line, heard just the other day, and not the first time by far....

    "You know, they're worse than cigarettes"

    And it's always said with great authority and conviction. My standard response "Really? Tell me why?"
    I never get a coherent answer. Because, hey, they read it on the internet, so it must be true. Now the gov't is beaming it down on commercials.

    Everytime some nimrod utters "they're worse than cigarettes," everyone at BT and BP and BG does a high-five and a little dance. :facepalm:

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    There is a very good one posted farther back in this thread called peanut brittle it is
    6% peanut butter
    6% Ry4 double
    1% sweetener
    I have been using that as my adv since the member first posted it,only difference is I bumped the pb to 6.5% to bring it forward a bit more.I have several others as peanut butter is by far one of my favorite flavors,but I'm on my phone so I'll put some more on when I get back to my computer.
    I'm still hanging with it, pretty good and easy
    I'm now using cotton candy in place of the sweetener, in fact cotton candy seems to end up in all my juices latey.
     
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    Does anyone on here have an authentic fruit punch recipe? Ordered some hawaiian drink cause a friend loves fruit punch but idk if that will be like a fruit punch exactly or good by itself? Don't wanna sound like I am trying to mooch so here has been my adv for awhile. Vape for Vape, Try it you must!

    Makes 15ml

    1ml- Mango (tfa will work but if you have FW use it)
    1ml- Strawberry
    1ml-honeydew
    .5ml-nectarine
     
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