I pre-steep my PG and VG too.
A good idea on premixing the flavorings I think. You will also find out how much the mix will change after it is steeped and can adjust it accordingly.
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A good idea on premixing the flavorings I think. You will also find out how much the mix will change after it is steeped and can adjust it accordingly.
When pre-mixing your flavors say at a total of 20 %.. how do you use that total when adding it to your PG/VG? I'm sure it is pretty simple.. but I have never done it that way. I have always added each flavoring to my mix when making a new bottle of juice.... Ie combining PG/VG and flavors at once when making a new bottle. Say I am making a 30ml bottle of 70/30 VG/PG and I want a 25% total flavoring mixture... How do you go about putting that pre mixed bottle into your calculator to get your final mix?
Never done it but add up all your flavor percentages and then add your PG/VG/nic to make up the rest of the 100%?When pre-mixing your flavors say at a total of 20 %.. how do you use that total when adding it to your PG/VG? I'm sure it is pretty simple.. but I have never done it that way. I have always added each flavoring to my mix when making a new bottle of juice.... Ie combining PG/VG and flavors at once when making a new bottle. Say I am making a 30ml bottle of 70/30 VG/PG and I want a 25% total flavoring mixture... How do you go about putting that pre mixed bottle into your calculator to get your final mix?
In your calculator just put it in as a single flavor at 25% and then figure your PG/VG and nic in.
I think it is a good idea and will likely try it.
Glad your open to trying something new in your DIYing.
It sure wasn't my idea, .. I stole it from the pro's
I would only try it with a proven, enjoyed, recipe.
You don't need to mix more than a few mil of the flavorings, for making a small test recipe with, down the line.
Also, I do not add the sweetener when mixing the flavors.
Sweeteners are not flavorings.
If EM is your choice, it has a tendency to mute any flavor over time, especially when used in higher amounts.
So if I use any, I add it at the time of making the juice ... the "flavoring" is just that .. the flavor only.
Hope it saves you time and work with some of your ADV's
Ohh I am always open to something new in my DIYing except some of the new flavors I try are horrible, but I keep trying them anywayGlad your open to trying something new in your DIYing.
It sure wasn't my idea, .. I stole it from the pro's
I would only try it with a proven, enjoyed, recipe.
You don't need to mix more than a few mil of the flavorings, for making a small test recipe with, down the line.
Also, I do not add the sweetener when mixing the flavors.
Sweeteners are not flavorings.
If EM is your choice, it has a tendency to mute any flavor over time, especially when used in higher amounts.
So if I use any, I add it at the time of making the juice ... the "flavoring" is just that .. the flavor only.
Hope it saves you time and work with some of your ADV's
Trying new stuff is part of what makes DIY enjoyable.
Premix the flavors??? Whatever for? My Smocha has more than 10 ingredients, and I never "pre-mix". Just don't see any benefit in that at all.
Andria
I have yet to try pre-blending the flavors other than at the time of mixing (add all flavors and PG and shake before adding VG)--but it does make a lot of sense to allow the flavor molecules to blend--I would think this is a good idea personally.
Gonna have to try that with a couple of my every day mixes for sure.
Gonna have to try that with a couple of my every day mixes for sure.
Nope, they don't. Flavor is just flavor. The only "steeping" is after you mix everything. And I don't do that either, unless it's a tobacco flavor.
Andria
Blending any liquids together of a dissimilar composition does create change.
Steep, blend, meld whatever you'd like to refer to it as, there is a process that occurs when you mix liquids that does affect the overall taste profile. Most of that process seems to take place in the first 48 to 72 hours in my observation using the high flavor mix recipes that I have stolen/borrowed/developed here.
Just my opinion...as always, yours may vary
Steep, blend, meld whatever you'd like to refer to it as, there is a process that occurs when you mix liquids that does affect the overall taste profile. Most of that process seems to take place in the first 48 to 72 hours in my observation using the high flavor mix recipes that I have stolen/borrowed/developed here.
Just my opinion...as always, yours may vary
I saw a few days ago where someone posted the recipe for the eclipse clone. It sounded good so I wrote it down and put in an order for the Cavendish and smooth that I didn't have. I did a 100DT last night and loaded it up in a clearo earlier this morning at work. I have to stealth vape and didn't realize how strong the smell would be from this one. I had to turn on the exhaust fan to clear my shop out. I was wondering if people usually let this one steep for a while since it has a tobacco in it? What little I tasted so far seemed pretty good after just sitting overnight.
ok thanks for the input..........I will give it a try again this weekend. I haven't had much luck with getting something I like enough to say vape all day......most are not sweet enough for me, or seem weak.........
I am going to start again with some of Bill's 100DT recipes to see if I can twink something better than my others have been.
I tried just one flavor and that was God awful so I believe the others when they say that you need several flavors together to make something good.
I am going to start again with some of Bill's 100DT recipes to see if I can twink something better than my others have been.
I tried just one flavor and that was God awful so I believe the others when they say that you need several flavors together to make something good.
I've done it with my adv and it makes it SO much easier to make more juice when you run out! So if you have 10 flavors plus PG, VG and nic that is thirteen different juices to have to gather up, find each of their separate measuring tools and spend time shaking and dispensing and cleanup and put away all 13 of them. If you premix just the flavorings together in a container then next time you need to make more all you need is 4 different liquids and it is much faster and easier. Especially if you use a lot of flavoring and dont need to add PG its only VG nic and flavoring concentrate! Mix three liquids together and bingo my adv is ready and made!!
I would probably add the PG to the flavoring if it was needed in the recipe since all the flavorings are PG based anyway, and keep it to just three liquids to mix when its time to make more.
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Okay... I'll bite. I've considered premixing my flavors as well, but my question is: Why not mix the VG/PG in as well... then you'd only have to add the sweetener/EM and Nic base... those are the two that effect flavor the most, right? I mean, nic gets darker and degrades at room temp, especially if it has oxygen exposure. So just hold those back and have everything else ready to go.
I've done it with my adv and it makes it SO much easier to make more juice when you run out! So if you have 10 flavors plus PG, VG and nic that is thirteen different juices to have to gather up, find each of their separate measuring tools and spend time shaking and dispensing and cleanup and put away all 13 of them. If you premix just the flavorings together in a container then next time you need to make more all you need is 4 different liquids and it is much faster and easier. Especially if you use a lot of flavoring and dont need to add PG its only VG nic and flavoring concentrate! Mix three liquids together and bingo my adv is ready and made!!
The only things I use to measure anything are syringes; for thick stuff and stuff I need a lot of (like PG), i use a 10ml syringe with a 14ga needle; for the other stuff, I use a 3ml syringe, and for very small quantities I use a 1ml syringe -- the only bottle involved is the one I'm mixing into, which is where the juice will stay.
Don't see any need or reason to make it anymore complicated than that. All my flavors are in one place, all my syringes in one place, all my bottles in one place. No need to make it more complicated.
Andria
thats cool! Its always whatever works best for each individual as long as it keeps us all off the stinkies!! Sorry if i missed it somewhere but how much are you mixing when you do make a batch?
That's what I've done for quite a while... and worked well for smaller batches. But I'm up to mixing a quart at a time now, and I'd be lost without my graduated cylinders!
The biggest so far is 60ml, of my ADV; that lasts about 10 days-2wks, something like that. I do still have the 120ml plastic bottles my nic comes in, and have given some thought to using those to mix in, and just pour into glass bottles, but so far haven't done that.
When I'm finally done with the WTA and don't need to mix a new batch with a lower % each month, I'll probably acquire at least a couple of 120ml glass bottles. Right now though, since I'm down so low on the WTA %, instead of dropping a whole percentage each month, I'm dropping .5 percentage point every 2 wks -- which means I need to mix some more soon, since the 3.5% WTA I mixed at the first of July is nearly done.
I'm pretty leery of mixing large batches of anything though, since the Virginia I vaped at first is now in the back of the bottom of my cabinet, about 100ml left that I know I will never vape. Need to dump it and reclaim the bottles.
Andria
I would need such a big container to store it in if I added the VG that it kind of defeats the purpose a bit in my mind and would rather just mix it all if that was the case. I have been adding the sweetener/EM and so far so good. Maybe if I will try to leave it out once to see if I notice a difference. I would add the PG though if the recipe called for it.
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yeah i vape a lot more than you so that makes sense.. i vape about 120ml a week and when i make my flavor concentrate i fill up a 120ml bottle with it.The biggest so far is 60ml, of my ADV; that lasts about 10 days-2wks, something like that. I do still have the 120ml plastic bottles my nic comes in, and have given some thought to using those to mix in, and just pour into glass bottles, but so far haven't done that.
When I'm finally done with the WTA and don't need to mix a new batch with a lower % each month, I'll probably acquire at least a couple of 120ml glass bottles. Right now though, since I'm down so low on the WTA %, instead of dropping a whole percentage each month, I'm dropping .5 percentage point every 2 wks -- which means I need to mix some more soon, since the 3.5% WTA I mixed at the first of July is nearly done.
I'm pretty leery of mixing large batches of anything though, since the Virginia I vaped at first is now in the back of the bottom of my cabinet, about 100ml left that I know I will never vape. Need to dump it and reclaim the bottles.
Andria
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