The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[sisu]

also what do you recommend for nic. i was thinking of getting nude nic any other suggestions?

As the saying goes, taste is subjective. With nic it depends on rather you like a peppery taste, throat hit, a tobacco taste/aroma or the nic to be invisible. I can taste the difference and am guilty of hoarding Nude Nic (no taste or odor). The Armour version arrives in glass bottles, sealed and ready for the freezer. If you want to try before you buy there is a sample you can order for $2.00. They recently renovated and had a sale, so expect a delay in shipping.

Link to the Nicotine Comparison thread.
There is a blind comparison that began in the same thread by Rossum in July, I think.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/nicotine-comparisons.298547/

 

[AndriaD]

Great I will go with the pg based then. I really appreciate all the help you have given me. I am assuming the syringes will suffice as well as the cylinders?

I never use cylinders; it just gives you a whole new way to waste ejuice. I use syringes, and measure directly into the bottle it's going to stay in.

When I first started, I bought a 50ml graduated cylinder; I think I used it once, and was so annoyed by the ejuice that stuck to the sides, I've never used it since.

For syringes, I got some 10ml, which I generally use for measuring PG (I use a lot of PG for 85% PG!); 3ml, which are the ones I use the most; and some 1ml, for either very small test batches, or ingredients that i don't use a lot of. Only place I've found the 1ml are at WizLabs; I got the 10ml and 3ml on Amazon. The 3ml syringes I got, came *with* 18ga blunt needles, so I have a lot of those. I also got some 16ga blunt needles, which are good for slightly thicker liquids, and also some 14ga, which are necessary for VG, it's so thick.

Andria

 

[Kenna]

I never use cylinders; it just gives you a whole new way to waste ejuice. I use syringes, and measure directly into the bottle it's going to stay in.

When I first started, I bought a 50ml graduated cylinder; I think I used it once, and was so annoyed by the ejuice that stuck to the sides, I've never used it since.

For syringes, I got some 10ml, which I generally use for measuring PG (I use a lot of PG for 85% PG!); 3ml, which are the ones I use the most; and some 1ml, for either very small test batches, or ingredients that i don't use a lot of. Only place I've found the 1ml are at WizLabs; I got the 10ml and 3ml on Amazon. The 3ml syringes I got, came *with* 18ga blunt needles, so I have a lot of those. I also got some 16ga blunt needles, which are good for slightly thicker liquids, and also some 14ga, which are necessary for VG, it's so thick.

Andria

Amazon has all of them. I'm mixing bigger batches once I settle in on a recipeso I have 30, 10 & 1 ml.

 

[AndriaD]

Amazon has all of them. I'm mixing bigger batches once I settle in on a recipeso I have 30, 10 & 1 ml.

That's cool, amazon's prices have got to be better! When I was hunting syringes last fall, I couldn't find any 1ml on Amazon, just 3ml, 5ml, and 10ml. Really don't find much use for the single 5ml that I have; I think WizLabs sent it to me as one of the little freebies they often enclose when you buy their nic.

Andria

 

[Robert Cromwell]

You can also get 30 ml feeding syringes at various places, amazon included. I got a 10 pack of 1 ml syringes on amazon for around $6 I think it was.

 

[Kenna]

That's cool, amazon's prices have got to be better! When I was hunting syringes last fall, I couldn't find any 1ml on Amazon, just 3ml, 5ml, and 10ml. Really don't find much use for the single 5ml that I have; I think WizLabs sent it to me as one of the little freebies they often enclose when you buy their nic.

Andria

I use the 1 & 10 ml for flavors, & the 10 & 30 ml for pg/vg. I can pull the plunger out of the 30ml & just pour vg in, instead of trying to pull it through the end, or through a needle. I.'m using the last of the Humco I started with, but i'll keep that bottle & refill it from the quart I got from Essential Depot. (Also thru Amazon. [emoji1] )

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I use the 1 & 10 ml for flavors, & the 10 & 30 ml for pg/vg. I can pull the plunger out of the 30ml & just pour vg in, instead of trying to pull it through the end, or through a needle. I.'m using the last of the Humco I started with, but i'll keep that bottle & refill it from the quart I got from Essential Depot. (Also thru Amazon. [emoji1] )

If the humco bottle has a 3/4 inch or less opening the oral syringe with Korc will work nicely very quick and easy.

 

[Kenna]

If the humco bottle has a 3/4 inch or less opening the oral syringe with Korc will work nicely very quick and easy.

I keep meaning to get that thingie. Putting it on the list for Oct.

 

[hittman]

There's always something to add to the list. I'm getting a little bored with some of my flavors and am trying to think of what I want to make next.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I like High Flavor Mixes, frequently 30% flavoring. I also like a 70%/30% VG/PG mix for my gear. As such, I have to mix with 100% VG Nicotine, or else I will exceed the 30% PG in my juices. So, I always buy the 100% VG Nicotine at 100 mg/ml strength, which allows the easiest mixing for me possible, and stays within my 70/30 ratio. Regarding the thickness of my VG, I use a large 100 ml syringe with a large opening and have no trouble even with the thicker VG. This enables me to avoid using PG Nicotine. I always mix to 30% PG regardless of the flavor mix by adding in additional PG when necessary.

Also, by doing the mix this way, I can mix my flavors to 30% PG and store them as a base. I keep about 30 flavors in these 30% base solutions. Later, I will add the nicotine (VG) and VG to the mix so I can mix to any nicotine level. The family vapes from 0 to 18 mg/ml of nicotine, so this saves time with the flavor bases premade, but still allows any nicotine level I may want to use for the family.

I like the 100 mg/ml nicotine as well. Works perfectly for the 100DT test mixes (1 drop equals 1% nicotine and 1% of volume). Also, my ADV's I usually make in increments of 100 ml. So, I may may a 500 ml batch of cinnamon Danish at 6% it's 30 mils (5 x 6 mls/100ml batch). So, this keeps the numbers really easy. Also, my whole recipe works the same. So, I need 10 mls of CD, 10 mls of Cotton Candy and 6 mils of Bavarian cream per 100 mils of mix. Then, I mix to 30% PG so I need 7 mils of PG, 6 mils of VG nicotine and 64 mils of VG, as follows:

Cinnamon Danish

Cinnamon Danish - 10% or 10 mils per 100 mil batch
Cotton Candy - 10%, or 10 mils per 100 mil batch
Bavarian Cream - 6%, or 6 mils per 100 mil batch
Total Flavoring - 23%, or 23 mils per 100 mil batch, plus

PG - 7%, or 7 mils per 100 mil batch, plus
Total PG = 23% flavoring plus 7% PG, or 30% PG, or 30 mils PG per 100 mil batch

VG Nicotine - 6%, or 6 mils per 100 mil batch (this will vary for each of us), plus
VG - 64%, or 64 mils per 100 mil batch.

I hope this makes some sense to you. Because the percentages and mils match (per 100 mil batch), I can easily keep all of this straight in my head. So, this is one reason to use the 100 mg/ml nicotine base flavoring with VG, because it matches my own mixing scheme of things. YMMV.

By the way, the tapered syringes can be cut to allow large openings when using VG, as well. This provides a way to use really thick liquid without causing a problem with flow during mixing. I don't use any needles except with PG, using tapered syringes and the much larger syringes for the VG, and I have no problem with this at any time. I buy my VG by the 5 gallon bucket and store it at room temperature. I do move from the bucket to a liter bottle for everyday use, though I don't store any of these in the fridge or freezer. I have not had a problem with any of the flavors or bases, some three years old.

By the way, I second the My Freedom Smokes Nicotine sale: https://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/nic...nicotine-smoke-juice-e-liquid-liter-sale.html, and just ordered another liter of the 100 mg/ml VG Nic today. Good luck to you all! BTW....YMMV....!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

By the way, the syringes I was referring to in my post above can be found here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JLJDQ0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

I would show a picture, but I haven't figured out how to do that since the software debacle upgrade.



Edit:

Here's the tapered syringes I use for VG, as well:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001QQBH3Q?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

These can be cut to enlarge the openings to plenty large to achieve the flow rate you want, even with the thicker bases. All I use anymore, other than the larger syringes above. I find them both very useful. YMMV....fyi...

 

[mommabird62]

Thanks and Just placed an order at MFS for the 100mg nicotine on sale. Have plenty in the freezer but that price is hard to pass up. And peeps seem to give their nic good reviews. Got some other items to get it up to free shipping [emoji4]


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[Robert Cromwell]

I keep meaning to get that thingie. Putting it on the list for Oct.

There is what I got on amazon. I got mine at a Krogers pharmacy for 1.49 though

http://www.amazon.com/Ezy-Dose-Syri...ords=ezy+dose+oral+syringes+with+dosage+korcs

 

[hittman]

I haven't been able to commit to a single recipe to feel comfortable with mixing more than 30ml at a time. I really like several of the Dropbox recipes but don't vape more than a few ml or less a day.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I haven't been able to commit to a single recipe to feel comfortable with mixing more than 30ml at a time. I really like several of the Dropbox recipes but don't vape more than a few ml or less a day.

I mix in 30 ml bottles as well. And yes my recipes do evolve a bit. Try a bit of Vanilla whipped cream in this or that and such things. Or maybe the Juicy Lemon instead of the regular lemon...
Lately I found that I like a bit of the CAP double apple in my V1 Apple Pie juice.

 

[hittman]

Is the juicy lemon a Cap flavor? I've only tried TFA flavors so far. I haven't been at this very long.

 

[Marc411]

Lets see if this works Bill. With all the excellent recipes you've turned me on to it's the least I can do

 

[baseballmom]

I don't mix more than 30 ml either....I get too bored, like variety...even if it's a good recipe, I just need variety...never was too into an adv, or one vendor only at all times, know it works for many, me...nah...

Mixed papaya lassi couple days ago, one with tfa Greek yogurt, another with cap creamy yogurt...Will report when get around to them

Juicy lemon is a cap, have it, but never tried yet honestly.

 

[hittman]

I'm going to order the yogurt next time. I'd like to try for a raspberry cheesecake yogurt.

 

[AndriaD]

The only one I've liked well enough to mix more than 30ml is my strawberry and cream, which I've mixed as much as 60ml of. However nowadays I'm dropping either nicotine or WTA levels on a weekly basis, so I haven't been mixing more than 30-40ml at any one time. Once I get rid of the WTA and stabilize the nic level, I can mix much greater volume -- I just emptied my first 100ml of the shisha strawberry, so that'll be my first big mixing of my strawberry and cream. Guess I really need to get some citric acid, so I can stabilize it at about day 3 after mixing.

Andria