The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread
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I have it, but haven't used it. I've heard that the cheesecake is primary, & the graham is more of a background note.
let me try that again....
Caramel Candy (TPA)
2%
Dulce de Leche (TPA)
0.2 %
DX Hazelnut (TPA)
1.5%
French Vanilla Creme (TPA)
2%
Honey (TPA)
1%
Vanillin 10% (TPA)
2%
Here's the cheesecake recipe I use from the dropbox list
Lite Strawberry Cheesecake
Cheesecake 12%
Graham Cracker 3%
Circus Cotton Candy 6%
Strawberry 3%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 2%
Lite Strawberry Cheesecake
Cheesecake 12%
Graham Cracker 3%
Circus Cotton Candy 6%
Strawberry 3%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 2%
Hmmm ... I still wonder about the TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust as a flavoring. When I use it in a CAPS VC recipe with FA Cinnamon Ceylon, it tastes like Graham Cracker-Cinnamon flavored Custard without any cheesecake nuance.
Regarding the TFA cheesecake recipes, I have never been able to make one that was outstanding, nor have I seen another recipe that was outstanding. The Lite Cheesecake recipe is my own from the dropbox, and as I have said before on this thread, it is passable, at best. I've been somewhat surprised that a few mixologists have liked it quite a bit. I have had much better success with cheesecake from other sources than TFA, but included the Lite recipe for those interested in the TFA version. Steeping will not improve a 30% flavored mix more than about 5 - 10%, at best. If you are worried about the flavoring continuing to change flavoring, just add a drop or two of citric acid (10% diluted), and it'll lock in the flavoring.
In this regard, mixes with flavorings higher than 20% generally do not require any steeping, though a couple of hours for blending is good, but by 24 hours, you're going to be pretty close to a final flavoring. High flavor mixes (HFM), though, do allow us to get very close to a final flavoring ATM (at time of mix), which allows us to make great juice on the fly. While it is just as legitimate to allow weeks of steeping at low flavorings, the end result, taste wise, is negligible, if it can be detected, at all. Good luck seeking the elusive TFA cheesecake. I gave up after two years, myself.
In this regard, mixes with flavorings higher than 20% generally do not require any steeping, though a couple of hours for blending is good, but by 24 hours, you're going to be pretty close to a final flavoring. High flavor mixes (HFM), though, do allow us to get very close to a final flavoring ATM (at time of mix), which allows us to make great juice on the fly. While it is just as legitimate to allow weeks of steeping at low flavorings, the end result, taste wise, is negligible, if it can be detected, at all. Good luck seeking the elusive TFA cheesecake. I gave up after two years, myself.
Bill, I tried your peach danish the other day. It's quite good. I will be making that one and your banana danish in bigger batches now. Thanks for sharing your recipes! 
This has been bouncing around in my head for a few weeks - mind you - I have not mixed this yet. I plan on finally taking time to toy with it tonight but I had a moment to jot down the recipe and thought I'd share.
I love darker flavored so cereal and fruity tofu are not my bag. I mix HFM mostly so adjust accordingly to your liking.
Whisky Cider Spice
Kentucky Bourbon 2%
Vanilla Bourbon 3%
Apple 8%
Cheesecake Graham Cracker Crust 2%
Cinnamon Spice1%
The things I concerned myself with are:
1. Depth - rich and savory
2. I want to taste the crispness of the Apple
3. CCGC is potent...a little goes a long way and will overpower mixes. I want the subtle creaminess it provides and you can never have enough cinnamon!
Which bring me to 4...this is the most important part.
4. Cinnamon Spice - oh how I love thee! This flavor I am using more and more at very low strength for an added kick. It offers the throat hit without the taste of "redhots" searing my lungs. I offer others to try this - again - at very low percentage. Sometimes just a drop into 30ml is enough. 1% may be too much but I'm betting the Bourbon can handle it. I'd rather up the bourbons than lower the Cinnamon Spice.
Let me know what ya think or would add/take away...run with the idea and report back!
I love darker flavored so cereal and fruity tofu are not my bag. I mix HFM mostly so adjust accordingly to your liking.
Whisky Cider Spice
Kentucky Bourbon 2%
Vanilla Bourbon 3%
Apple 8%
Cheesecake Graham Cracker Crust 2%
Cinnamon Spice1%
The things I concerned myself with are:
1. Depth - rich and savory
2. I want to taste the crispness of the Apple
3. CCGC is potent...a little goes a long way and will overpower mixes. I want the subtle creaminess it provides and you can never have enough cinnamon!
Which bring me to 4...this is the most important part.
4. Cinnamon Spice - oh how I love thee! This flavor I am using more and more at very low strength for an added kick. It offers the throat hit without the taste of "redhots" searing my lungs. I offer others to try this - again - at very low percentage. Sometimes just a drop into 30ml is enough. 1% may be too much but I'm betting the Bourbon can handle it. I'd rather up the bourbons than lower the Cinnamon Spice.
Let me know what ya think or would add/take away...run with the idea and report back!
Hiya folks, hope that Bill will chime in here,
so i normally mix up my favorite ADV with just Strawberries Ripe @10% and Banana @3%. So far it's good, but I'd like to 'cream' it up.
These are the creams I have (all TFA), and looking for suggestions which and how much to start, or the benefits of one over the other.
irish cream
Sweet and Tart
Sweet Cream
Whipped Cream
Thanks.
so i normally mix up my favorite ADV with just Strawberries Ripe @10% and Banana @3%. So far it's good, but I'd like to 'cream' it up.
These are the creams I have (all TFA), and looking for suggestions which and how much to start, or the benefits of one over the other.
irish cream
Sweet and Tart
Sweet Cream
Whipped Cream
Thanks.
Recommend you add 3 - 6% sweet cream to 3 - 6% vanilla (there are many, start with Vanilla Swirl), and add to the fruits. Start at 3% and work your way up. They will not dominate the mix at 6% or less, but will add depth, creaminess, etc. Also, I would always add either/both cotton candy and sweetener to all fruit mixes. Fruit flavoring without a bit of sweetness to it, just doesn't taste like fruit to me. YMMV. Good luck!
Like you, I too, must have my daily cinnamon fix....well, all day long, actually!
Sounds like a winner, but testing (100DT's) will confirm any direction and intensity changes. I tende to use graham cracker with pie crust, but never apple pie, as I never get a good flavor separation. I tend to explore the creams and vanillas carefully, as you are doing. I can see a drop of sour creating the apple crispness you talk about. Relative percentages is just trial and error, but I can see the mix is a great place to start. My guess is that you are five 100DT's away from a smashing winner! Good luck to you!
Good to know and thank you! The danishes provide perhaps the greatest flexibility of any "Base" flavoring with the most options. Surprisingly, they've worked with every fruit and nut I've tried thus far. And simple, perhaps four ingredients, occasionally five. A solid 20% flavoring (+/-) combination, reliable and delicious. Good luck to you!Bill, I tried your peach danish the other day. It's quite good. I will be making that one and your banana danish in bigger batches now. Thanks for sharing your recipes!
Thanks for that super fast response. Here's another one. I have Guava and pineapple, and I find in my mixes they come out very dominant and with a sharp taste. Almost knife sharp. Would one of my creams help dull that sharpness, or I also have Sweet and Tart.
Yes, creams, vanillas and sweeteners all work together to eliminate the chemical/floral/sharp notes that you speak about. Raspberry and Strawberry at 2% will also do the same, and there are others, as well. I have a blog about this subject in my writings. The creams, vanillas and sweeteners provide a rich secondary base flavoring that enhances the primaries, rather than detracting from them, smoothing, enriching, etc., while adding depth, dimension, and richness, etc. I have several writings about these in my blogs. They can be helpful, and yet, there are only a few of them, so it's not overwhelming either. Good luck to you!
Here is a recipe I tried recently. It's very smooth and full of flavor, not sure where I got the recipe.
White Rabbit
French Vanilla 12%
FW-Creme de Minthe 7% (I've heard the FW brand is better than TFA)
Whipped Cream 5%
Sweet Cream 2%
I have never shared this one because I never really got the blueberry quite right, and I never did get the one blue berry that Robert told me about, but it is still pretty good, it has become one of my ADV's. It does have one Flavor Art Flavor, (sorry) But I thought I would go ahead and share it, I figure it might give you, or someone some ideas.
KAS's Blue Berry Cupcake
TFA Blueberry Wild 4%
FA Bilberry 3%
TFA Bluberry Extra 2%
TFA Blueberry Candy 1%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 4%
TFA Vanilla Cupcake 8%
TFA Sweetener 1%
KAS
Blueberry is the one disappointment I've had in my DIY adventures. Just haven't been able to find anything that really stands out. I've heard that the FA-Bilberry (Europe's version of a blueberry) is the best blueberry flavor out there. I need to pick some up and give blueberry another try.
I had some blueberry pancake from a vendor that was pretty good but haven't had a lot of luck with the blueberry either when mixing.
That's the unicorn I'm chasing. Also, I started working on two recipes that have ry4 double. One's a juicy peach concoction which is on paper, going to work on it tomorrow. I needed bottles. The other one is with banana cream and peanut butter. Obviously, they both will have vanillas and cream. I was thinking of adding brown sugar to the peach one, and also graham cracker to the peanut butter and banana cream. I made two very similiar with the vanillas and peanut butter at different percentages and will vape them both tomorrow to see which is better or the direction I want to take it. When I complete it I'll make sure to post it.
Argh! I also had a decent blueberry from Charlie Noble before. I'll see where this blueberry wild and extra takes me. I might end up getting fa bilberry and also fw blueberry if need be, and use all of them together. Maybe that will be the key. We'll see. Right now I just have the wild and extra and will work with that until I can place another order.
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