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I started at 24 mg. I dropped to 18mg h was fine again. That went so easily that I gave it a few months & tried dropping to 12mg. That's when the chain vaping began. Went back to 18 & that stopped. Now that I diy more I'll be able to adust down more easily & slower so maybe my body won't notice the drop as much. I just want to make my nic last longer.
I started at 24mg too.
But, I also started DIY soon after, so I gradually dropped it 1mg at a time.
DIY gives you a great opportunity to control the nic.
I'm mixing some juices at 18mg, and some at 16 mg now.
I vape on several different flavors a day, so I get a mixture of both.
I don't think cutting back would make a difference,... other than in my head.
I chain vape because I like to vape,.. not due to a shortage of nic, because I don't get cravings.
I've been busy, and gone without for several hours at a time.
I could probably keep lowering it, but then ,.. that's where the "head trip" comes in :cry:
 

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I started at 24mg too.
But, I also started DIY soon after, so I gradually dropped it 1mg at a time.
DIY gives you a great opportunity to control the nic.
I'm mixing some juices at 18mg, and some at 16 mg now.
I vape on several different flavors a day, so I get a mixture of both.
I don't think cutting back would make a difference,... other than in my head.
I chain vape because I like to vape,.. not due to a shortage of nic, because I don't get cravings.
I've been busy, and gone without for several hours at a time.
I could probably keep lowering it, but then ,.. that's where the "head trip" comes in :cry:
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Gah! :yawn:

I played with a bunch of new recipes yesterday and tested some that have been sitting for a bit. Overall good, but I seem to have trouble makers...

The lychee cream I told you guys about I think is finalized. Good atm, still good after about a month. Strong lychee with a pear cohort over a coconut cream. Yummy.

Pear 5%
DX Bavarian Cream 4%
Coconut Extra 2%
Lychee 3%

Bill's Stardust (kiwi style) is dang tasty as well. After a month steep though, the kiwi kind of overtakes the starburst, so I may end up lowering the % eventually. 8% may just be too high for kiwi.

Kiwi 8%
DX Sweet Cream 4%
Vanilla Swirl 4%
Cotton Candy 2%
Sweet and Tart 2%

The Snow Day clone (which is appropriate considering our mini blizzards lately!) is good atm, but the peppermint is a killer after a month. Needs more work, but I'll share what I got.

Peppermint 9%
DX Sweet Cream 5%
Vanilla Swirl 5%
Koolada 1%
(Next batch will probably be 6/6.5/6.5/1 to make it not QUITE so killer.)

Cinnapear however... awesome sauce atm, but after a month it's muted and seems blah. You can taste it like it's supposed to taste but it's like a whisper vs a shout. I want the shout!

Pear 10%
DX Cinnamon Danish 7%
French Vanilla Creme 3%
Cotton Candy 2%

Any ideas on how to fix that?

I also redid (twice) that Tahitian Dragon recipe I was working on and it's much nicer now. Gonna wait to see how it turns out after some steep. Dragonfruit and apple are the leaders, but I know the mango and cream will join the party eventually.

Tried the Earl Grey recipe again. 5% is WAY better than 13%!! (Whoever wrote that original recipe was either missing their tongue or had a mean sense of humor.) This I can actually taste the tea, honey and a bit of cream. Gotta wait to see if the creams come out a bit more or not. Might need lemon.

Also tried a recipe I found.... somewhere, called Monkey Business. Smells awesome, but something is alcohol based so it needs some air before testing can commence. Smells similar to a favorite of mine Sweet Complexity by VapeWild.

And last but not least, I'm working up a new recipe I call Island Birthday. It's supposed to be a tropical cupcake with ice cream. Only on V1, but it's tasty and I think could be a real winner after it finds the right balance. Who knew 3% pineapple was too much? :p
 

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Gah! :yawn:

I played with a bunch of new recipes yesterday and tested some that have been sitting for a bit. Overall good, but I seem to have trouble makers...

The lychee cream I told you guys about I think is finalized. Good atm, still good after about a month. Strong lychee with a pear cohort over a coconut cream. Yummy.

Pear 5%
DX Bavarian Cream 4%
Coconut Extra 2%
Lychee 3%

Bill's Stardust (kiwi style) is dang tasty as well. After a month steep though, the kiwi kind of overtakes the starburst, so I may end up lowering the % eventually. 8% may just be too high for kiwi.

Kiwi 8%
DX Sweet Cream 4%
Vanilla Swirl 4%
Cotton Candy 2%
Sweet and Tart 2%

The Snow Day clone (which is appropriate considering our mini blizzards lately!) is good atm, but the peppermint is a killer after a month. Needs more work, but I'll share what I got.

Peppermint 9%
DX Sweet Cream 5%
Vanilla Swirl 5%
Koolada 1%
(Next batch will probably be 6/6.5/6.5/1 to make it not QUITE so killer.)

Cinnapear however... awesome sauce atm, but after a month it's muted and seems blah. You can taste it like it's supposed to taste but it's like a whisper vs a shout. I want the shout!

Pear 10%
DX Cinnamon Danish 7%
French Vanilla Creme 3%
Cotton Candy 2%

Any ideas on how to fix that?

I also redid (twice) that Tahitian Dragon recipe I was working on and it's much nicer now. Gonna wait to see how it turns out after some steep. Dragonfruit and apple are the leaders, but I know the mango and cream will join the party eventually.

Tried the Earl Grey recipe again. 5% is WAY better than 13%!! (Whoever wrote that original recipe was either missing their tongue or had a mean sense of humor.) This I can actually taste the tea, honey and a bit of cream. Gotta wait to see if the creams come out a bit more or not. Might need lemon.

Also tried a recipe I found.... somewhere, called Monkey Business. Smells awesome, but something is alcohol based so it needs some air before testing can commence. Smells similar to a favorite of mine Sweet Complexity by VapeWild.

And last but not least, I'm working up a new recipe I call Island Birthday. It's supposed to be a tropical cupcake with ice cream. Only on V1, but it's tasty and I think could be a real winner after it finds the right balance. Who knew 3% pineapple was too much? :p
The HFM juices don't need to sit for a month. If you plan to wait a long while before vaping these, try adding citric acid to the mix to help lock in the original flavorings. If the Monkey Business you were speaking about is a banana recipe, then it may be mine. All recipes, though, need to be adjusted to our own sense of tastes in large part because we vape at different heat settings and use different gear. I like my juice in my gear at my wattage and mix to that use. YMMV. Good luck! :toast: :D

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The HFM juices don't need to sit for a month. If you plan to wait a long while before vaping these, try adding citric acid to the mix to help lock in the original flavorings. If the Monkey Business you were speaking about is a banana recipe, then it may be mine. All recipes, though, need to be adjusted to our own sense of tastes in large part because we vape at different heat settings and use different gear. I like my juice in my gear at my wattage and mix to that use. YMMV. Good luck! :toast: :D

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Thanks Bill.

I have a tendency to get too much juice at any one time, so knowing how a juice will sit is good info for me. Makes the difference between holy crap I got so much juice I gotta vape NOW, and holy crap, but this one will be ok last.

The MB is a Jamaican rum and banana foster type one. Totally can't remember where I found the recipe, I just c&p stuff into a memo file on my phone if it looks tasty.

And I get what you're saying about adjustments. There's only one recipe I've tried so far that I didn't make any changes to. I'm weird, I know it, it's all good. ;) It doesn't help that I drip and tank which makes a difference with flavors, and all my RDAs and tanks are different models and running different setups. My goal is to have something that tastes good in all of them.

Use citric acid you say? What percentages and how should it be introduced, before or after anything? Never used it before, heck, I don't think I even have any right now.

The Cinnapear is my big irritant, it tastes good when mixed but the Danish and pear balance out almost perfect somewhere around a week and a half. After a month or so, it's still good, but faded. I was actually starting to give the cotton candy a stink eye cuz I thought that might be the culprit...

My other trouble maker I think is just too high a percentage on the peppermint. Pretty sure that's a late bloomer of a flavoring, so if it tastes good immediately after mix but it's headed downhill after only a few days to a week, I think I'll just drop the amount. I like vanilla peppermint, but when it turns into the abominable snowman out to kill me... :shock:
 

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Thanks Bill.

I have a tendency to get too much juice at any one time, so knowing how a juice will sit is good info for me. Makes the difference between holy crap I got so much juice I gotta vape NOW, and holy crap, but this one will be ok last.

The MB is a Jamaican rum and banana foster type one. Totally can't remember where I found the recipe, I just c&p stuff into a memo file on my phone if it looks tasty.

And I get what you're saying about adjustments. There's only one recipe I've tried so far that I didn't make any changes to. I'm weird, I know it, it's all good. ;) It doesn't help that I drip and tank which makes a difference with flavors, and all my RDAs and tanks are different models and running different setups. My goal is to have something that tastes good in all of them.

Use citric acid you say? What percentages and how should it be introduced, before or after anything? Never used it before, heck, I don't think I even have any right now.

The Cinnapear is my big irritant, it tastes good when mixed but the Danish and pear balance out almost perfect somewhere around a week and a half. After a month or so, it's still good, but faded. I was actually starting to give the cotton candy a stink eye cuz I thought that might be the culprit...

My other trouble maker I think is just too high a percentage on the peppermint. Pretty sure that's a late bloomer of a flavoring, so if it tastes good immediately after mix but it's headed downhill after only a few days to a week, I think I'll just drop the amount. I like vanilla peppermint, but when it turns into the abominable snowman out to kill me... :shock:
Yep, that's my Monkey Business alright. Anyone can download it on the dropbox site. It's sold on the Las Vegas Strip as Monkey Business even today. The citric acid recipe has just been posted for the hundredth time in the last week on this thread. I use a 10% solution and add a drop, or two or three to 15 - 30 mils. If you can taste it, you've used too much. Excellent glass and dish cleaner, as well, by the way. There are several blogs, my own included, on high flavor mixes and how to make them. The advantages are that we can mix to taste immediately without waiting for steeping. It can take forever to make a good juice waiting days and weeks to make a flavoring, so HFM solves that problem, the citric acid helps to lock in the flavor. That being said, flavors are going to change over time, anywhere from slightly to dramatically, depending, mostly, on how little flavoring we use. If a juice takes more than a week or so to steep to arrive at the right flavoring, most mixologists agree that not enough flavoring was used in the first place. Of course, these views do also vary dramatically. I like being able to mix to a flavor that is spot on the flavor I'm shooting for, and then to have it stay pretty close to there for its life, so I mix at 20 - 30% flavoring use citric acid and enjoy about thirty ADV's, though 90% of the time I stick with my Cinnamon Danish. However, I do prefer flavors with a touch of cinnamon and never seem to get vapor's tongue.....EVER....using it. My two cents. Good luck! :toast: :D

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    I haven't tried it yet but I got pie crust on my last order. It reminded me that I worked at a restaurant in high school that had a great old fashioned cream pie. I wouldn't even begin to know where to start to come up with a recipe for that. The owner was very secretive about the recipe so I'm not even sure what was in it.
     

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    Yep, that's my Monkey Business alright. Anyone can download it on the dropbox site. It's sold on the Las Vegas Strip as Monkey Business even today. The citric acid recipe has just been posted for the hundredth time in the last week on this thread. I use a 10% solution and add a drop, or two or three to 15 - 30 mils. If you can taste it, you've used too much. Excellent glass and dish cleaner, as well, by the way. There are several blogs, my own included, on high flavor mixes and how to make them. The advantages are that we can mix to taste immediately without waiting for steeping. It can take forever to make a good juice waiting days and weeks to make a flavoring, so HFM solves that problem, the citric acid helps to lock in the flavor. That being said, flavors are going to change over time, anywhere from slightly to dramatically, depending, mostly, on how little flavoring we use. If a juice takes more than a week or so to steep to arrive at the right flavoring, most mixologists agree that not enough flavoring was used in the first place. Of course, these views do also vary dramatically. I like being able to mix to a flavor that is spot on the flavor I'm shooting for, and then to have it stay pretty close to there for its life, so I mix at 20 - 30% flavoring use citric acid and enjoy about thirty ADV's, though 90% of the time I stick with my Cinnamon Danish. However, I do prefer flavors with a touch of cinnamon and never seem to get vapor's tongue.....EVER....using it. My two cents. Good luck! :toast: :D

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    I may have to get some citric acid and try that. Lemme boot up my Google-fu, it's been on the fritz... I've read all your blogs (many many moons ago...) and they're actually what helped jump me into DIY!

    I do enjoy the HFM juices, but my cap is about 20% flavoring. Highest I've got so far is 22% except the Monkey Business. I made that to spec for the first batch just to test it out. I'd prefer all my juice to be slightly lower than I have them currently, just from personal preference. Out of all the ingredients, the only one I have questions about the long term effects of inhaling is the flavorings. PG, VG, and nic have either been studied or have been inhaled for enough decades without mass illness, I'm not worried in the least. But that's neither here nor there...



    Had a chance to drip some and vape a tank of each of my new made recipes. I think I got a batch of winners. Few tweaks needed but overall tasty!
     

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    I may have to get some citric acid and try that. Lemme boot up my Google-fu, it's been on the fritz... I've read all your blogs (many many moons ago...) and they're actually what helped jump me into DIY!

    I do enjoy the HFM juices, but my cap is about 20% flavoring. Highest I've got so far is 22% except the Monkey Business. I made that to spec for the first batch just to test it out. I'd prefer all my juice to be slightly lower than I have them currently, just from personal preference. Out of all the ingredients, the only one I have questions about the long term effects of inhaling is the flavorings. PG, VG, and nic have either been studied or have been inhaled for enough decades without mass illness, I'm not worried in the least. But that's neither here nor there...



    Had a chance to drip some and vape a tank of each of my new made recipes. I think I got a batch of winners. Few tweaks needed but overall tasty!
    One thing I've had an opportunity to notice first hand is that temperature has a great deal to do with percentage of flavoring. While I cannot state a particular relationship with respect to high flavor mixes and precise temperature, I do know that when I sold juice to vendors on the strip, some were wildly popular, others not so much. A great deal had to do with whether they were dripping and sub-ohming, or not. For some, I needed to increase flavoring, for others lower the flavoring. But, because their gear was very different to my 11 watt tank preference, I couldn't know which ones were going to work, or not, as all I could do was mix to my own preferences. This is why I always advocate that one must mix to personal preference, and why tweaking is always required because of our different gear and temperature, primarily.

    It did seem to me that the higher the heat, the greater the sensitivity to the flavors became. Some juices that I thought were pretty good, the high heat folks thought were fantastic and addictive. Other juices that I thought were just as good, only so-so. Some of it was flavor preference, but much of it was gear and temperature.

    What was fun for me was to spend a day in the lab making juices, and the next day on the strip testing them out for folks just walking by. In a few short months, I tried hundreds of juices and combinations. Most were TFA flavorings, but many were not. I found that TFA seemed to provide the most acceptance in the market place, but there were, and still are, many holes in their flavor lists. That was a couple of summer's past and I very much enjoyed it. I did eventually have to make a decision to either build a juice company, or return it to hobby status, as, over time, it began to take as much as 30 hours a week at one point, and I already have two jobs/businesses. I decided to let it go. I could see a tremendous amount of competition, and it was becoming very cut throat, and no longer fun.

    I've had just as much fun sharing my experiences with others, as I had running to the strip, and was not looking for a third business. However, anyone could easily take the many recipes on this thread and build a brand and a business. DIY juice making is a very fun hobby, and saves a ton of money. I still try out juice bars from time to time, but I have 150 different flavors now. How many do I need? Fond memories and fun times. Hope everyone enjoys our little DIY journeys into VapeLand. I have seen some truly great recipes on this thread from so many folks, and can only thank them greatly for their generosity in sharing them with the community. When my wife would suggest I was getting out of hand on this juice journey, I simply replied, "Saving lives, hon!" You know what I mean. :thumb:

    I love vaping just as much today as I ever did, and far more than I ever loved smoking. I truly want to encourage everyone, particularly the new vapers and juice makers to just jump in. You'll be amazed at how easy it is to make great juices, after you learn a few tricks and combinations. I only gave it up on a commercial basis when I started getting orders for thousands of bottles of juice by week's end. Try making 3,000 bottles of fifteen different juices by Friday. Now, that's real work, and it took the fun out of it for me. Now that I make a new juice occasionally, and share it here, and learn from all of you on your journeys and marvel at your concoctions, believe me, I'm just as satisfied, and appreciate the reduced work load! Please keep it up, and thank you for sharing!!! :thumb: :toast: :D

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    I haven't tried it yet but I got pie crust on my last order. It reminded me that I worked at a restaurant in high school that had a great old fashioned cream pie. I wouldn't even begin to know where to start to come up with a recipe for that. The owner was very secretive about the recipe so I'm not even sure what was in it.
    Pie crust and graham cracker work like magic together. I found, for me at least, that they are much better together than either separately at about a 65/35 ratio of graham cracker to pie crust. But tweak to taste. Wonderful in pies, and varying the ratio will vary from pie to pastry to Danish to donut, etc. Great, flavorful, dough combinations can be created with just these two ingredients with wide differences in flavoring. Good luck! :2c: :toast: :D

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    One last thought on percentages of flavoring in the mix. I have found that TFA is one of the weaker food flavorings out there, of the half dozen or so brands that I've used, with perhaps LorAnn as the strongest. When I suggest using flavors of 20 - 30%, I'm talking about TFA flavorings, and not other brands which some can be overwhelming at 2% flavoring. Of course the weaker flavorings allow us to mix with greater "forgiveness" and far less "micro management," if you know what I mean. Also, if you're making a complex mix of say six/seven or more flavors, weaker is easier to work with than stronger, and, for me, at least, I can get to a final mix, or get on the right track much quicker as each flavoring is far less dominant. Also, less dominant flavorings tend to play nice with one another, again providing greater ease in mixing with complex mixes.

    For example, let's say we want to make a complex fruit Danish recipe, perhaps something like cherry or lemon frosted Danish. I start by thinking about the individual flavorings that I might want to use to achieve the taste and flavorings I'm after. So, I might write down:

    Lemon/cherry
    Vanilla
    Cream
    Waffle (Belgian)
    Butter
    Brown sugar
    Sweetener
    Cream cheese icing

    Using eight flavorings and trying to keep the mix under say 20% of flavoring is going to be tough, and will not lend itself easily to the 100DT method, unless we go to something like 30%. A recipe like this one may end up looking like this:

    Lemon - 12% (lemon is not very strong and can be easily dominated)
    Vanilla Custard - 4% (could use many different vanillas here)
    Sweet Cream - 2% (Could use many different creams here)
    Belgian Waffle - 2% (other choices are pie crust, graham cracker, etc.)
    Butter - 2% (Can always taste a hint of butter in a Danish)
    Brown Sugar - 3% (for flavoring)
    Sweetener - 3% (for sweetness)
    Cream Cheese Icing - 1 - 2% (frost to taste - LorAnn's)

    I would have a hard time getting this complex flavoring into a 15 - 20% mix as I prefer the 100DT, and not the 1000DT!

    You can actually make this recipe on paper, as we've done, and make many different variations on paper, as well. We have choices for vanillas, creams, sweeteners, frosted or not, the doughy flavoring, the fruit, etc. This is an example of a complex mix where it is possible to taste at least six of the flavorings distinctly, which is magical in a juice. After blending and sitting only 24 hours, you've got something here that 's going to be tasty, for sure, even if it's not your cup of tea. You would have enormous difficulty trying to make this recipe with LorAnn's as it's very hard to keep their flavorings in their "lanes" so to speak. You can't have a solid complex blend when five flavors are all trying to dominate one another. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's a lot easier with less powerful flavorings, like TFA, using HFM.

    Could I cut each ingredient in half? Sure, but then you have to steep, and TFA lemon doesn't steep well, and you can't use citric acid here, as you need the weaker flavors to steep and break through. So, it's much easier to do a mix like this one with TFA flavorings and HFM. Hope that make some sense. :toast: :D :thumb:

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    Pie crust and graham cracker work like magic together. I found, for me at least, that they are much better together than either separately at about a 65/35 ratio of graham cracker to pie crust. But tweak to taste. Wonderful in pies, and varying the ratio will vary from pie to pastry to Danish to donut, etc. Great, flavorful, dough combinations can be created with just these two ingredients with wide differences in flavoring. Good luck! :2c: :toast: :D

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    Thanks for the help Bill. I'm contemplating some type of a pie recipe. I'm thinking that maybe a butterscotch pie might be good. It would be nice if I could come up with a pie base and then just add whatever flavor I want the pie to be. I was looking through the dropbox recipes and realized that there are still some flavors that I might need that I don't have. I thought I was doing good at around 60 flavors now but still see several I don't have.
     

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    Pie crust and graham cracker work like magic together. I found, for me at least, that they are much better together than either separately at about a 65/35 ratio of graham cracker to pie crust. But tweak to taste. Wonderful in pies, and varying the ratio will vary from pie to pastry to Danish to donut, etc. Great, flavorful, dough combinations can be created with just these two ingredients with wide differences in flavoring. Good luck! :2c: :toast: :D

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    I want to pick up some pie crust on my next order. I love my pastries. What is so wonderful is the flavors we can make by combining them and marveling at how complex they can taste. Thank you again for all the help and advice you give me and other diyers. It has helped tremendously.
     

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    Thanks for the help Bill. I'm contemplating some type of a pie recipe. I'm thinking that maybe a butterscotch pie might be good. It would be nice if I could come up with a pie base and then just add whatever flavor I want the pie to be. I was looking through the dropbox recipes and realized that there are still some flavors that I might need that I don't have. I thought I was doing good at around 60 flavors now but still see several I don't have.

    Butterscotch pie sounds so good! I love my butterscotch juices. I really like tfa's. It is so yummy!
     
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