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Oh boy does that bring back memories.Awesome! Can't wait to see what kind of results you get!
Hahahaha! It's an old military acronym... been around for a long time. Before the hipsters decided that it is a suitable replacement for "cool". [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]
I think the best explanation for it is that basically means "an educated guess".[emoji38]
SWAG and MFIC were two of the first acronyms I learned in the miltary.
I really like TFA flavors a lot. << On topic.
Thanks for the info and link, Joel, very interesting, and I'll be reading trhough Kurt's thread to get the fine details very soon. As to PG instead of VG, yes, I don't see there being any problem with using PG... that's what I used with mine.
Hmmmm... safety/concerns/issues... I'll not say that there aren't any concerns, I haven't looked into it. Personally, I am not that concerned. For me. The way I figure it, I used to burn leaves and inhale the smoke that was emitted from that burning process... while there may or may not be any issues with vaping an extract made from tea/coffee/tobacco/etc., I still see the possibility as a reduced risk for myself. Please, please understand that I am not trying to minimize your concerns. It is so very hard to convey things accurately when we are relying on the written word to convey emotions and tones of speech... I am simply trying to say that I'm not worried about it, but I can completely understand why someone else might be.
If anyone does turn up any information that raises safety concerns, I'd certainly be interested in hearing them.Oh boy does that bring back memories.
SWAG and MFIC were two of the first acronyms I learned in the miltary.
I really like TFA flavors a lot. << On topic.
Hahahahaha! Yep... we had more than a few acronyms.
I almost fell down laughing the first time I heard some kid saying something about how "Swag" he was!
@Kaezziel
Thanks for posting your Rooibos recipe, I made some this week (used the heating method for coffee). It's my first tea vape and a little strange but definitely vapable
Have a little lemon in mine
You are most welcome! I've thought about doing a black tea with a little lemon... may have to try that this weekend.
I have thought about adding a little vanilla to the Rooibos... not sure if I'd rather use Vanilla Swirl or I have some Madagascar Vanilla Bourbon on the way...
Since I started using Rooibos all black teas taste too bitter for meYou are most welcome! I've thought about doing a black tea with a little lemon... may have to try that this weekend.
I have thought about adding a little vanilla to the Rooibos... not sure if I'd rather use Vanilla Swirl or I have some Madagascar Vanilla Bourbon on the way...
OooOoo ... I have vanilla swirl! I can see all kinds of options for this vape
Since I started using Rooibos all black teas taste too bitter for me
OooOoo ... I have vanilla swirl! I can see all kinds of options for this vape
Rooibos is pretty new to me. I've only had a coupla cups of it, but am loving it as a vape. Black teas are pretty good with some cream and sugar. I'm thinking that they'd be good with some honey and lemon, too. That's how I used to drink Earl Grey, anyway.
Lemme know how the Rooibos with the Vanilla Swirl is, if you try it before I do.
Another thought that I've been having lately is to add florals to different teas. Like Hibiscus, Cherry Blossom, etc... I was looking at TFAs floral flavors and just started making a wish list. It'll have to wait for my next flavor order, though.
I just spent about $150 on restocking some favorite flavors and picking up a bunch more to finish experimenting with an Apple Danish recipe that I'm trying to work on.
I'm kind of new to DIY but if I do get around to that Vanilla Swirl and it's any good I'll definitely let you knowRooibos is pretty new to me. I've only had a coupla cups of it, but am loving it as a vape. Black teas are pretty good with some cream and sugar. I'm thinking that they'd be good with some honey and lemon, too. That's how I used to drink Earl Grey, anyway.
Lemme know how the Rooibos with the Vanilla Swirl is, if you try it before I do.
Another thought that I've been having lately is to add florals to different teas. Like Hibiscus, Cherry Blossom, etc... I was looking at TFAs floral flavors and just started making a wish list. It'll have to wait for my next flavor order, though.
I've been using Rooibos exclusively for years now but don't use sweetener or cream in my tea.
Good luck with your florals and Danish
Never tried it with PG, since I try to avoid it. In principle it should work, and I'm guessing others have done this. Might get a bit more plant material than VG since it is a bit less polar, but that is just a hypothesis.
Haven't made tobacco essence in a long time. I will say however that mine has lasted without change or any obvious biological activity for years. Seems to be just VG and flavor compounds.
It will gunk coils, however, and is probably not great if you want to avoid decomposition and aldehydes. Really great taste. Probably best to post in that old thread or another in Tobacco Extracts.
I understand your Position; and I do NOT feel minimalized in the least!The way I figure it, I used to burn leaves and inhale the smoke that was emitted from that burning process... while there may or may not be any issues with vaping an extract made from tea/coffee/tobacco/etc., I still see the possibility as a reduced risk for myself. Please, please understand that I am not trying to minimize your concerns. It is so very hard to convey things accurately when we are relying on the written word to convey emotions and tones of speech... I am simply trying to say that I'm not worried about it, but I can completely understand why someone else might be.
But "Thank You" for your thoughtfulness. 
And, for the most part, I agree with you that vaping is indeed "reduced risk" compared to smoking. But I am aware that there are at least a few exceptions (like using oil-based flavors). As I said in the previous post, I don't know, and that was why I was asking if anyone might.
Thanks @Kurt,
My real question was if there were any concerns we should be aware of regarding tea leaf extraction? I thought I recalled a post of yours on another thread that cautioned that there were some increased risks when making home extractions (such as: plant matter too small to filter, long chain compounds(?), something about chlorophyll(?), and sugars) To be fair, I think the actual discussion was regarding fruit extraction, but I was wondering if any of it transferred to other plant materials like tea leaves or coffee?
My real question was if there were any concerns we should be aware of regarding tea leaf extraction? I thought I recalled a post of yours on another thread that cautioned that there were some increased risks when making home extractions (such as: plant matter too small to filter, long chain compounds(?), something about chlorophyll(?), and sugars) To be fair, I think the actual discussion was regarding fruit extraction, but I was wondering if any of it transferred to other plant materials like tea leaves or coffee?
I understand your Position; and I do NOT feel minimalized in the least!
And, for the most part, I agree with you that vaping is indeed "reduced risk" compared to smoking. But I am aware that there are at least a few exceptions (like using oil-based flavors). As I said in the previous post, I don't know, and that was why I was asking if anyone might.
Thank you, Joel.
I know what you mean, and there are a few things that I either avoid outright, or use in minimal amounts. I do still use quite a few non-DX flavors, but I don't use any kind of oil-based stuff. Either way, I do appreciate you asking the questions. The best way for anyone to assess the risks of something is to KNOW what those risks are. Burying one's head in the sand doesn't usually end well in the long run. I'm right there with ya my friend!Thank you, Joel.
I don't have lab analysis tests on whole-food extracts, but my education tells me they are not good for inhalation, for all the reasons you listed. Biomolecules not meant to be in the lungs, and probable thermal instability to decomposition on hot coils. I would think the same would be applied to tea or coffee extracts, even if they are well-filtered. Plus, tea, once made, tends to mold very quickly if left out to sit. Not saying this will happen in a tea extraction for e-liquid, but it does mean that mold has plenty of food to eat in standing tea. Thus, biomolecules are abundant.
I once made a coffee extract a few years ago just to see if it would be a good flavor. I had some Bosnian coffee for brika brewing (also known as Turkish coffee, quite nice), and I brewed some in a brika over flame with VG that had about 10% water. Filtered it though a few coffee filters and used it as a flavoring. It was remarkably true to the coffee one would make with it, with all the chocolate nuances it has, but I never felt comfortable with vaping it much. Dr. Farsalinos has found that e-liquids with coffee extract are slightly cytotoxic to heart cells, more than other flavors, and so cautions against vaping such e-liquids, but there is no data on actual risk to lung cells, let alone to a human.
These are probably safer than smoking, for sure, but probably less safe than simple synthetic flavors, and almost assuredly less thermally stable. To me there is the potential risk of inhaling biomolecules themselves, separate from the toxic decomposition products, both probably more than "normal" flavors, but probably less than smoking.
But we don't know really, and all of this is more or less educated conjecture.
Your education far exceeds my own Kurt; so I really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. Thank you.
I have a question about TFA (TPA) flavors in general.
I am here in Spain and we have lots of vaping stores/sites etc...so I found ONE site with very low prices of what she says are original TPA flavours.
To give you an example how hideously cheap she is, 30ml aroma bottles are €5 and 100ml (!!) aroma bottles are €12,50. (Which is now my primary source for my DRY4 aroma). It's cheap since I otherwise already spent €5-6 for 10ml aromas, like from Atmos Labs.)
However, her flavours don't have an original label, they are clearly bulk flavours which she sells in clear bottles with self-printed labels.
I already bought two times from her and actually don't have a reason to doubt those flavours, eg. the DRY (double ry4) is what I use to mix my ADV and I can't complain.
I am just wondering whether it is "normal" that TFA/TPA makes their flavours available in bulk for vendors and that vendors re-sell them that way, without original label etc. in generic bottles.
I am here in Spain and we have lots of vaping stores/sites etc...so I found ONE site with very low prices of what she says are original TPA flavours.
To give you an example how hideously cheap she is, 30ml aroma bottles are €5 and 100ml (!!) aroma bottles are €12,50. (Which is now my primary source for my DRY4 aroma). It's cheap since I otherwise already spent €5-6 for 10ml aromas, like from Atmos Labs.)
However, her flavours don't have an original label, they are clearly bulk flavours which she sells in clear bottles with self-printed labels.
I already bought two times from her and actually don't have a reason to doubt those flavours, eg. the DRY (double ry4) is what I use to mix my ADV and I can't complain.
I am just wondering whether it is "normal" that TFA/TPA makes their flavours available in bulk for vendors and that vendors re-sell them that way, without original label etc. in generic bottles.
I'm not 100% sure about TPA but I've bought lots of flavouring that has been repackaged by the seller.
Yes,there are a lot of vendors that buy the flavors by the drum,then rebottle and put their own labels on,so i doubt you have any reason to be concerned.
Thanks!!
That being said, TFA DRY4 (12%) and 8-10 drops of Pyrazine per 50ml, stupidly simple to mix and definitely decent.
That being said, TFA DRY4 (12%) and 8-10 drops of Pyrazine per 50ml, stupidly simple to mix and definitely decent.
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