The Cinnamon Spice is what I have. Be careful. It is crazy strong. Use too much and you'll have a harsh floral note. It doesn't taste at all like red hots, just cinnamon.
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The Cinnamon Spice is what I have. Be careful. It is crazy strong. Use too much and you'll have a harsh floral note. It doesn't taste at all like red hots, just cinnamon.
Tim
I'm thinking like 1 drop from their micro pipette deals that sometimes comes with their small sizes per say.... 5ml (thats about what size my 100DT's are give or take)
I don't use either in my Dutch Apple Pie Recipe. I have the cinnamon spice, but haven't tried it yet. If all we want is a subtle cinnamon, then the cinnamon Danish and cinnamon sugar cookie are both up for the task. My cinnamon Danish recipe is known as Sin City Danish on the street, so to speak. I have noticed that some people are more sensitive to cinnamon than others. For some, any cinnamon is too much, for others, the only thing they like is fire and ice. It's a to each their own kinda thing, that's why we have to flavor to taste on everything we do. For me, the CD is perfect, the regular cinnamon, often too strong, Cinnamon Red Hots, incomprehensible, as is also Fire and Ice (absolutely terrible to me...strong cinnamon AND menthol?), but these are big sellers to friends and family. I have some friends that will only vape Red Hots and Fire and Ice.
If you want to make a cinnamon Danish from scratch, you're probably going to have to first make a new flavor, that is one where you pre-dilute the cinnamon flavoring in PG, and then use that in a very low percentage in the mix. I'll bet that would work fine. Add some creams, and you're back to Cinnamon Danish. This is not a guess either. TFA provides their components on all their mixes. In the cinnamon Danish, for example, the cinnamon used is cinnamomum verum bark oil at 1-10%. The cinnamon uses both cinnamaldehyde and cinnamyl alcohol each at greater than 10%. The Red Hots is cinnamic aldehyde at greater than 10%, and the cinnamon spice uses cinnamon bark essential oil at greater than 10%. The cinnamon sugar cookie uses cinnamaldehyde at less than .5%. While we can't see exact numbers, the CD and CSC may be about 1/10th - 1/20th the strength of the other three stronger cinnamon's providing us a clue as to the dilution of probably 1 to 9 on our new cinnamon dilutant flavoring. Clearly, we can't say that cinnamon is cinnamon since TFA uses four different cinnamon's in those five different flavorings at wildly different strengths.
Another clue that we can learn from is that the cinnamon Danish is cinnamon and vanillas, EM and custard notes, so if we wanted to make it from scratch we should probably make it from:
Cinnamon Danish from Scratch
Cinnamon spice (diluted 1 to 9, or 10% diluted in PG)
Vanilla Custard
Vanilla Swirl (or Vanillin)
Cotton Candy (EM)
The advantage to making it from scratch is, of course, our ability to dial it in to suit our individual taste preferences. The disadvantage is that the scratch recipe has to be worked out by taste testing, versus buying it off the shelf. For me, the off-the-shelf version is pretty good. Adding Bavarian Cream and Cotton Candy makes it superb, for me. But my CD with CD, CC and BC is very close to what we would make with CS, VS, VC and CC anyway.
Any of us can review or print out copies of all the TFA flavorings by going to the FAQ and selecting:
Our Flavor documentation is available by clicking the link below:
https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/specsheetlist.aspx
So, that's my two cents. It certainly seems possible to me to make a great cinnamon Danish recipe, and one that is easily adjustable to suit virtually any preference.
Enjoy!!! 
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I'm in the middle of the road with Cinnamon. I can taste the subtle amounts in the base flavoring of cinnamon sugar cookie or be blasted by some high % Redhots.
You don't use "Cinnamon" or "Cinnamon Spice" in the Dutch Apple Pie recipe but the recipes you have posted says "Cinnamon 0.5%" So it still doesn't explain what you do actually use.
yeah as I said before 2 drops from a 40 drop per ml dropper is 0.5 % and it completely took over the recipe. After my dilution it equaled 1 drop or 0.25% and was more like it.
Like I said this was with "Cinnamon Spice" and from what I understand "Cinnamon" is comparable in strength.
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Yeah,i have tried it,and personally i thought it was a very weak flavor.I only taste tested it once,a long time ago,i actually forgot i had it,i'll have to pull it out and try it again.
I only ordered the 8ml sample of the cinnamon,so it wasn't to big of a dissapointment when it wasn't what i thought it was,but it's still a flavor i can use so it worked out ok.I'm right there with ya on the orchid,i love those things.I got a clone right after they came out,ended up buying a 2nd a week later,and been using them all the time since.Only complaint is the plastic tank,but another member here cut a kayfun quartz kit down for me,so now i have 1 regular orchid,and a custom glass orchid,so tank cracker juices dont scare me no more haha.I thought Cinnamon was the plain baker cinnamon too and was about to order it.
On the Taifun/Kayfun talk.. I personally prefer the Orchid
I'll give that one a try,i'll just pick up a small sample,if it's that strong,a small one should last a good long time.
I seen the fire & ice recipe you posted a while back,and didn't really think i would like it,as i'm not a big menthol fan,but decided to try it anyway,and it's very good.I dont taste the menthol in it,which is fine by me haha,but it does make for a creamy cinnamon taste,not too hot,just right.Cinnamon Red Hots, incomprehensible, as is also Fire and Ice (absolutely terrible to me...strong cinnamon AND menthol?), but these are big sellers to friends and family. I have some friends that will only vape Red Hots and Fire and Ice.
Perhaps, but they are two different molecules with different flavoring tastes. I wrote an extensive post about this above. The cinnamon I use is the one marked TFA cinnamon on the bottle. I think I use that cinnamon in about two recipes, the peach cobbler and one other.....can't remember.
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Yes, and I thought it was perfect for my Apple Jacks recipe. It would work quite well in a number of recipes, where the cinnamon required is subtle, but present, the way it is most often used in cooking.
Yes, she sure does sell them still. They can be located here:
https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/c-60-tools-of-the-trade.aspx
Good luck on your juice journey Jim-and please feel free to come asking questions anytime
Thanks for the link. My ADV is
Banana Nut Bread 5%
Bavarian Cream 2.5%
French Vanilla Regular 1.5%
Strawberries and Cream 3%
Double Chocolate Clear 3%
Feel free to offer any improvement suggestions. I've tried a few random variations but nothing methodical YET but have so far returned again and again to this recipe.
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What does this taste like? Interesting mix with banana, strawberry and chocolate.
Predominately a chocolatey flavor but not overly sweet. At times I've added Ripe Banana and/or Marochino Cherry since it was orinally based on a banana split recipe but even at 1 drop per 10 ml they change the over all flavor profile.
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I have a new Danish to share.
Pecan Danish
Cinnamon Danish - 10%
Cotton Candy - 10%
Bavarian Cream - 4%
Pecan - 5%
LA Cream Cheese Icing - 1%
I've been thinking about this one for a couple of days, and had a pretty good idea about how to make it. This was my second batch and I think it's the right amount of flavoring. Easy to adjust though, to increase Pecan, for example. As is, I can taste the cinnamon, the pecan, the cream and the icing. The LA cream cheese icing is a very dominant flavoring and has to be used in small percentages to keep it from taking over the mix. 1% may be about right. This will require a few hours to flavor bond to get the different flavorings to emerge, and will probably reach its peak in a day or two. Tasty out of the can.
Pecan Danish
Cinnamon Danish - 10%
Cotton Candy - 10%
Bavarian Cream - 4%
Pecan - 5%
LA Cream Cheese Icing - 1%
I've been thinking about this one for a couple of days, and had a pretty good idea about how to make it. This was my second batch and I think it's the right amount of flavoring. Easy to adjust though, to increase Pecan, for example. As is, I can taste the cinnamon, the pecan, the cream and the icing. The LA cream cheese icing is a very dominant flavoring and has to be used in small percentages to keep it from taking over the mix. 1% may be about right. This will require a few hours to flavor bond to get the different flavorings to emerge, and will probably reach its peak in a day or two. Tasty out of the can.
That pecan danish sounds very good,and something is definitely going on here,this is the 2nd time in less than a week that you posted something i have all the flavors to make haha.Well almost anyway,my cream cheese icing was showing an estimated delivery date for today,but the last scan on it was sunday night in California,so hopefully it will be here tommorow,then i will definitely be making some of this.I got the pecan flavor a few weeks ago in a trade,and have been itching to try it in something haha.
This one is so new, I'm not sure if I will modify this after a couple of days or not. I might want to increase the pecan, but it would only be by 1-2%, and I would reduce cotton candy to get there. Trying to get four ingredients to emerge is tricky, and you just won't know until after flavor bonding is completed, but it's definitely in the ballpark. Others may find the pecan just right, and maybe my personal preference for the pecan is just my own. But, after all, I am calling this a "Pecan" Danish, so it very well may increase slightly. I would think that a pecan Danish would have pecan as the primary flavorings, with the others as secondary and supporting flavors, I just don't want to lose them by increasing the pecan yet. So, as always, we shall see. This one may become great, or may be a single iteration from being great, which is my current feeling. One of the reasons I love this hobby is the effort required to make the good juices. When you do finally make a winner, it's very gratifying, but again, it's still only tailored for your personal taste sensibilities, so we all have to adjust these recipes to work for us. I just love the challenge, and if it was easy, it would hardly be worth the trouble, and certainly wouldn't become a fun hobby....for me, at least. Ciao, my friend!
Oh,i agree.Personally i will probably start the pecan out a bit lower at maybe 3%,just to get a feel for how it will be in the mix.At the same time i got the pecan flavor,i also got hazlenut,and pecan pie made by totally wicked.The hazlenut caught me by surprise,i made a mix of hazlenut cream with the hn being at 5%,and it completely overpowered 20% worth of creams,so i see how those nut flavors can easily dominate if not careful with them.As for that pecan pie flavor,i like a real pie,but that flavoring from them is horrid haha,so i will tread very lightly with any pecan flavor at the beginning of any mix containing it haha.
Chocolate is hard to get to, and, once there, it seems like it doesn't hardly want to share the spotlight, even a little, with supporting/secondary flavorings. The only thing I miss about vaping is the blending. You can make food in layers or blends and taste very distinct and separate flavorings. Juice becomes an amalgam, without the distinctly separate flavors. I don't mean you can't taste or detect them, it's just that they don't exist separately. I sometimes think I should vape two different setups at the same time. First, vape strawberry, as an example, then immediately vape a separate chocolate or cream, or what have you.
Probably what I enjoy best is that you can almost mix these juices just with a sense of smell. You can almost taste how they are going to blend together. The old nose is the best tool in my arsenal, and can tell me when to use Bavarian cream over sweet cream, or cotton candy over sweetener, as an example. I don't cherish making half a dozen batches of the wrong mix, when I can really narrow it down with the sense of smell first. Sometimes it doesn't work at all, but once you kind of get used to the cream/vanilla/sweetners together and what percentages do what, it really does get a lot easier. Sometimes, you will get a completely new and unexpected flavor.
I think in anther couple of years, I'm going to have a lot more experience with a lot more flavorings, and, in so doing, I think my juice will go to another level. I just don't have enough experience yet to even know what I'm missing, though I have had successes. This is a hobby that permits a true Paradigm Shift. Sometimes, we can only understand the level we are currently navigating on, by getting to the next level and then processing our understanding of the last level (a Paradigm Shift). Einstein said the same thing about physics. That's why we will probably learn to make better juice more by accident and copying others, than by trying to deduce it ourselves, in the here and now. Anyway, pardon my musings, but thought some food for thought might be worth sharing about this.
I just had a realization of taste perception as far as things tasting completely different from one person to the next.I'm sitting here vaping some more of Bill's fire and ice recipe,cant put this stuff down haha,but anyway from the start i have not tasted the menthol,but knew the taste of this was very familiar,i just figured it out,guess you could say i had a breakthrough haha.What this tastes like to me,a spot on clone of Big red cinnamon gum.It is a mirrored taste of what i get when chewing that gum,which is my favorite gum flavor,and explains why i cant put this stuff down haha.
Samoas Cookies
Cookie FA 2.5%
Coconut Extra 5%
Vanilla Swirl 4%
Fudge Brownie 2%
Sweener 4%
Bavarian Cream 4%
Caramel Candy 4%
Dulce de Leche 1%
This is my final, everybody loves it. Let me know what you think
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