The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Oh,i agree.Personally i will probably start the pecan out a bit lower at maybe 3%,just to get a feel for how it will be in the mix.At the same time i got the pecan flavor,i also got hazlenut,and pecan pie made by totally wicked.The hazlenut caught me by surprise,i made a mix of hazlenut cream with the hn being at 5%,and it completely overpowered 20% worth of creams,so i see how those nut flavors can easily dominate if not careful with them.As for that pecan pie flavor,i like a real pie,but that flavoring from them is horrid haha,so i will tread very lightly with any pecan flavor at the beginning of any mix containing it haha.

Sure, always taste test...only way. But hazelnut is not pecan, and I think Hazelnut is a stronger flavor. The problem I've found with pecan is that as you increase strength above 5% it begins to change flavoring away from pecan a little bit. The solution may be to just reduce the cream cheese icing to allow it to break through. I can check that by eliminating the cream cheese icing completely on the next 100DT. I can't reduce it because it's already at only one drop (1%), but that might tell me where to go with this. Also, maybe just allowing it to bond a while may do the same. Right now I can taste all the ingredients and it's good, if not great yet. May or may not get there. I'm pretty sure if I increase the pecan, I'm going to lose one of more of the other flavorings, so I'm stuck and will continue to ponder the best way to proceed. Again, I never use hazelnut over 3%, but have used pecan successfully at 5%, so you cannot compare the percentages just because they are both nut flavorings. Different molecules react completely differently, so experimentation is your friend, as you cannot out-think the chemistry of flavoring, I assure you.

 

[Mrscorbin24]

How's the pumpkin roll coming?

Going to working on it and the Orange / Wintergreen lifesavers.

 

[b.m.]

Again, I never use hazelnut over 3%, but have used pecan successfully at 5%, so you cannot compare the percentages just because they are both nut flavorings. Different molecules react completely differently, so experimentation is your friend, as you cannot out-think the chemistry of flavoring, I assure you.

I guess i should have worded that better,not really meaning comparing them,more just a precaution my brain went into after that experience,i found out the same thing between cantaloupe and honeydew.I had the cantaloupe first,and to get a good standalone from it,i had to take it to 15%,so when i got the honeydew,i made that mistake of thinking,well they are both melon,and both from tfa,so i started the honeydew out at 10%,which went outside of my usual 5% starting point to test a flavor,but again,i had that misconception that since one was weak the other would be too.Wow was i wrong,the honeydew at 10% just about blew my tastebuds out haha,it was not good at all at that high of a %,but it taught me that day to not judge one flavor based on what worked with another,ihave now backed it down to a 5% starting point on every single flavor test,that is still too high on some,but it's alot better than trying them higher first haha.

How's the pumpkin roll coming?

Going to working on it and the Orange / Wintergreen lifesavers.

I'm still in the thinking stage on the pumpkin roll,definitely one i want to get figured out when time permits,but i'm still not sure exactly where to go with it to get that taste i want from it.Like i mentioned before,that pumpkin pie recipe will be my starting point for it,as it has a similar taste,there is just something missing or possibly needing changed to get it there yet,once my cream cheese icing gets here,that may be the missing flavor to get it where it needs to be.It will probably be the weekend before i get a chance to work on it,but this is one i definitely want to nail down.
That orange/wintergreen sounds awesome,i've never seen lifesavers in that flavor.I have orange but no wintergreen,closest i have is menthol,which may still be good.I made an apple menthol that's pretty good,so i may have to try an orange menthol next.Definitely keep us posted on how your progress goes.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

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Samoas Cookies

Cookie FA 2.5%
Coconut Extra 5%
Vanilla Swirl 4%
Fudge Brownie 2%
Sweener 4%
Bavarian Cream 4%
Caramel Candy 4%
Dulce de Leche 1%

This is my final, everybody loves it. Let me know what you think

Looks like a great recipe Mrs C! I don't have Cookie. With that much flavoring, I wonder if you can even taste it, though? Love the mix!

 

[wjb10776]

Blueberry Ice Cream

Blueberry (wild) 10%
Bavarian Cream 5%
Vanilla Swirl 5%
Sweeten to taste (3 dps sucralose)
Optional**
Graham Cracker 5%
Smooth 1 dp 3-5ml

This was a 3 ml test batch. A little too sweet but it is BBIC so sweetness depends on the user. Next batch I'll try 2 dps per 5 ml instead of 1:1 ratio.

 

[renilyn]

Ok, I won't lie, I'm too lazy to pick out 923874920837409328745 posts from the last 20ish hours. For ONCE I went to bed about 2200 last night and SLEPT. Usually I get up at 0530 to have breakfast with friends on Tuesdays-never even heard the alarm (nor apparently hubby trying to wake me up, boxer in my face trying to wake me up a thousand times etc lol). Not sure what happened, but after 2 weeks of sleeping no more than 2 hours, I didn't get up until 1330 today. What a concept!

So, on that note, let me see what I can ask/make statements on from what I read

Bill-I agree with readeuler, you're in the stratosphere my friend, next thing you know you'll be hittin' the moon! Anyway, I'm thinking that your thoughts on the pecan are spot on. Basically when we use nuts in real food, you have to have quite a gentle hand, even when that nut is supposed to be the FLAVOR. I was a bit surprised that you didn't put in a bit of AP to bring the pecan forward, but not over-do the pecan actual flavoring. I may be off base, but that was my thought when it came to this "project". I'm still waiting for my order to ship (had to add two things, so they held the original for me), so I've no box to speak on with any of this Danish business lol It appears that hazelnut and pecan flavorings are very consistent with their food counterparts. Hazelnut will IMMEDIATELY take over anything you cook with it if you use just a SLIGHT amount too much. When using it in baking, I pulverize the hazelnuts in a food processor so that I can add a wee bit at a time-that is how powerful they are. Frankly, they can be a bit of a nightmare to cook with. I only use them for special holiday dishes for this reason. And I believe that with juice, I may do the same. I do WANT to test that pecan danish however. Of course, even after my blasted flavors get here, I'll be a flavor short (pecan) lol UGH!

b.m. (Bill)- Sounds like you're on the right track with your pumpkin roll. Im not sure what's in your pumpkin pie recipe, but try to imagine when you get to the point of tasting that the pumpkin roll doesn't have any dense bread (crust) flavor like a pie would. Might I suggest using Cinnamon Cookie? Also, nutmeg/clove/cinnamon are right behind pumpkin when it comes to dominant flavors in the real thing. I've not seen nutmeg in any brand, so that may be something you have to work out with that pumpkin spice. I've not used it, so I'm not sure. If it were me, and it's not lol, if the separate flavors were available, I would probably create something from nutmeg/cinnamon/clove that is outside of any other flavorings. Perhaps a drop of each in 4-5ml of pg or something. Hard to say. But even when you're creating pumpkin ANYTHING in the kitchen, it's kind of touch and go with the spices....So I guess that's why I'd want to create my own spice blend. Anyway, can't WAIT to hear what you come up with! Oohhh!!! I almost forgot-Big Red gum! Really? Is that what it tastes like?!?!?!?! I don't AT ALL like menthol, but I may have to mix a 100DT when I get ahold of some more menthol for my FIL's stuff....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mrs. C (which I keep trying to type as Mrc-so if you ever see that, it means you lol)-I loveeee the Samoa cookies, I'd love to try that. But of course, missing ingredients lol I will keep that one in mind for a house blend (from this point forward, that's what I'll be calling anything I don't make just for myself-Its getting too hard to differentiate lol). I have NOT seen those orange mint Lifesavers either, but my immediate thought was Orange Tic Tacs. And-SOMEWHERE I have actually seen a recipe for such. I wonder if it'd be the same. Do you know which mint you will be using?

jimstratus-Wow! Your ADV definitely sounds interesting! Makes me think of this ice cream place we had as a child called Swenson's. They'd make a sundae that pretty much sounds EXACTLY like your ADV. They actually used banana nut bread at the bottom and then the rest of the business on top. AMAZING stuff that! Ugh, I think I just gained 10 lbs talking about it! I too, would like to know what it tastes like. The sweetness, if you can taste each flavor, etc. You're welcome for the link. Those lil babies are pretty handy IMO. I ran out originally and actually went to the drug store and asked the lady at the cosmetics counter if she could spare a few. Um, ya... I now have about 1000 of them or so. She just handed me a bag from a fragrance that no longer is on the market lol


Ok, I think that covers everything I wanted to say to those who posted

On another side of the coin-can we please have a group discussion on the following (so that everyone may benefit-but I really need to understand these things):

AP-WHEN to, HOW to, WHY use this

Menthol Crystals-How to properly dilute them (I've read about 4 diff ways, I'd like to hear from anyone that's diluted them and their results. This is something I've ordered as my FIL's mix is heavy % on the menthol side. My thought being this is FAR more economical)

Vanillin Crystals-How to properly dilute them, when to use them and why this instead of a straight vanilla flavoring

EM Crystals-How to properly dilute them, when to use them and why this instead of a straight sweetener type flavoring (sucralose)

Stevia-Is anyone besides me using this as a sweetener (it makes anything with mint SO much more flavorful-if that makes sense)? If so, how are you using it, why did you decide to etc

 

[Mrscorbin24]

Looks like a great recipe Mrs C! I don't have Cookie. With that much flavoring, I wonder if you can even taste it, though? Love the mix!

Cookie is very strong I did try it at 3% and the cookie took over so I backed it down to 2.5 %

 

[Mrscorbin24]

I'm still in the thinking stage on the pumpkin roll,definitely one i want to get figured out when time permits,but i'm still not sure exactly where to go with it to get that taste i want from it.Like i mentioned before,that pumpkin pie recipe will be my starting point for it,as it has a similar taste,there is just something missing or possibly needing changed to get it there yet,once my cream cheese icing gets here,that may be the missing flavor to get it where it needs to be.It will probably be the weekend before i get a chance to work on it,but this is one i definitely want to nail down.
That orange/wintergreen sounds awesome,i've never seen lifesavers in that flavor.I have orange but no wintergreen,closest i have is menthol,which may still be good.I made an apple menthol that's pretty good,so i may have to try an orange menthol next.Definitely keep us posted on how your progress goes.

I have Yam flavoring coming this week, going to try and see where it will work in the juices.

 

[renilyn]

I have Yam flavoring coming this week, going to try and see where it will work in the juices.

Frankly Mrs C, I can see this yam flavoring becoming a terrific "bakery" juice. I've not pushed my brain to the % phase of it, but my dream of that flavor includes Brown Sugar (Extra), Butter, Vanilla Swirl, Holiday Spice and an oh so slight amount of Cinnamon Spice.

I just found that TFA has Woodruff Spice. Also, I'm sure no one has this, if they do, I'd be impressed! But, if you've never used this before, I highly suggest you look to see if you may be familiar (by another name) with: Waldmeistersirup. It's a European thing. We used to have it on pancakes and ice cream YUMMY!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

bump to Reni's long post. I, for one, do not know the answers to her last five questions. I have and rarely use AP, but how, when, why, etc. I don't know. I've been told that it can replicate doughy flavorings, but that wasn't what I tasted....more like cardboard with an odd flavor I couldn't place. The crystals I don't use, always buying premixed flavorings. I have and use Stevia in nutriblasts, but that's it. So sorry!

 

[renilyn]

bump to Reni's long post. I, for one, do not know the answers to her last five questions. I have and rarely use AP, but how, when, why, etc. I don't know. I've been told that it can replicate doughy flavorings, but that wasn't what I tasted....more like cardboard with an odd flavor I couldn't place. The crystals I don't use, always buying premixed flavorings. I have and use Stevia in nutriblasts, but that's it. So sorry!

No worries Bill. It's more for the folks that want/need that info. The only thing *I* personally will be needing info on is those blasted menthol crystals. I've a feeling that with the menthol % he seems to require, best thing will be to mix those bad boys up in some PG until they can't dissolve anymore. Then add a few to his glass bottle and shake the bejezus out of it lol His cheapo bolt mod came in today, so I have a feeling I'll be playing with that for the larger part of the eve. lol I've never built on an rebuildable TANK atty before-so ya... this might be interesting, as it came with it's own.

I have however, looked at those ones you've been talking with Mike about Bill.....kinna thinking I might be going there in the very near future. I know one of you put some links out, but I can't for the life of me find the blasted post LOL Seems to be a running theme in my life

 

[renilyn]

BTW all....

Sorry for the reading test (HUGE post). I just had to get it all out in one shot hahaha

 

[E_Cig Vicious]

You didn't say how much AP you used but I treat it like the strongest of flavoring and a drop in 10ml to see how it affects the recipe. Not something you can bust out in a 100 drop test imo.

 

[renilyn]

So, I need to ask y'all if I'm the only one to experience this or not. If I have asked in the past-sorry. Brain fart!

Do any of you experience any change of flavor when using a) aluminum tips b) chromed tips c) wooden tips d) acrylic tips

 

[E_Cig Vicious]

Ren according to the TFA website their menthol premix...

Alert!!!!!
The price of menthol crystals has increased dramatically
You can purchase menthol crystals directly from our supplier (Vigon International) to get a better price.

Unfortunately, they do not sell it diluted in PG, but you can duplicate our menthol blend by the ratio:

for 1000 grams
660 grams menthol crystals
340 grams PG

So about 1/3 PG and 2/3 Menthol Crystals by weight.

Update* I googled Vigon International and I ended up here https://02d6969.netsolstores.com/mentholcrystalsnaturalfcc.aspx I just may have an ounce of menthol crystals(sample) coming for free.
If so that will net me just over 40ml of premixed TFA menthol

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

So, I need to ask y'all if I'm the only one to experience this or not. If I have asked in the past-sorry. Brain fart!

Do any of you experience any change of flavor when using a) aluminum tips b) chromed tips c) wooden tips d) acrylic tips

I do get a different taste....that I don't like, and, for this reason, only vape with stainless steel, or glass, or acrylic, but no other metals.

 

[b.m.]

I almost forgot-Big Red gum! Really? Is that what it tastes like?!?!?!?! I don't AT ALL like menthol, but I may have to mix a 100DT when I get ahold of some more menthol for my FIL's stuff....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha,yeah,at least that's what i am getting from it.There is a bit of creaminess to it,but over all big red is what i am getting from it.Like i mentioned,i am not a big menthol fan,i like it mixed with other flavors sometimes,but not an all the time thing,and i can't detect the menthol in this at all,which is a good thing.I think the fact that cinnamon is a strong flavor and is used at 7% in this mix,and menthol is only 2%,i figure the menthol is helping to tame the cinnamon without actually putting a menthol taste into it.

 

[RockHunter]

It's pretentious of me, as a newcomer to this thread, to even offer a possible remedy for the lack of pastry flavor in Cinnamon Danish, but I stumbled on this while playing with our Danish experiment. If I add 1/2% to 1% of TFA Hazelnut, or Hazelnut Praline for the sweettooths, depending on a base combo of 15% to 30%, I get a slight puff-pastry flavor. You may or may not! You might give it a try. Don't overdue it!

Connelley (Rockhunter)

 

[mekc57]

So, I need to ask y'all if I'm the only one to experience this or not. If I have asked in the past-sorry. Brain fart!

Do any of you experience any change of flavor when using a) aluminum tips b) chromed tips c) wooden tips d) acrylic tips

I'm with Bill on this, Stainless steal is 99% of what I use! 1derlin and 1 SS lined stone that I just got from a friend. Aluminum taste funny to me. Fortunately the ones that came with my Stingrays have a, copper on one and brass on the other, insert into SS so I don't get any bad taste of them.

 

[renilyn]

I do get a different taste....that I don't like, and, for this reason, only vape with stainless steel, or glass, or acrylic, but no other metals.

Okkkkkkkkk!!! It's NOT just me then! I pondered getting some wood tips, not so good eh? That aluminum ONE that I have makes everything taste like I'm chewing on foil. DO.NOT.LIKE!