Cool,thanks for being the guinnea pig haha.I thought about trying that,but since i only have this one m-tank,if it didn't go well i would be screwed until i ordered another haha.That is my only complaint with these orchids,is that there is no good solution to using glass on them,the kayfun glass kits fit,but really kill the capacity.Now that you mention it,i just got my 4oz. of cinnamon yesterday and did notice it was in a different bottle.The orange sweet and cinnamon both came in that type of bottle,but since those 2 didn't have that little safety seal on the top,i assumed maybe they get those flavors in drums and then dispense them into bottles themselves,but being a different plastic because of reactions makes more sense.I have noticed alot of the flavors with oil,such as the orange say they may crack tanks,so that would make sense.Well hopefully your test shows no interactions,i really want to mate these together.This orchid is a beast,so pairing it with the fire & ice will make a great combo,although taking a large lung hit full of cinnamon may have me on the floor haha.I am not a cloud chaser,but i have been blowing huge clouds of almond joy from this thing,so now i want to blow some huge cinnamon clouds haha.
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I hear ya b.m about only having the one m-tank. If it's any flavor I'm even hesitant about it'll go in the stainless.
Ok so here's my question and oh I just want to add that I know I don't always reply right away or sometimes at all but I'm reading everything and greatly appreciate the feedback. I get stuck working or with the family so sometimes it's hard to keep up.
Seeing as I'm going to place an order probably thru wizard Labs today or tomorrow any flavors that I should definitely have for this milkshake "Marathon"?
I have lots of vanilla but would like to have some MUSTS. I would hate to be 1 or 2 flavors short.
Also has anyone ever had hurricane vapors milkshakes? When I 1st tried them I really loved them - the milkshake part was very light and creamy not too deep if that makes sense. After having them awhile and going back I no longer liked them as much (happens all to often to me) but i still remember that 1st taste. Nice & light & not too overpowering. Just wondering if anyone else has tried them.
Ok so here's my question and oh I just want to add that I know I don't always reply right away or sometimes at all but I'm reading everything and greatly appreciate the feedback. I get stuck working or with the family so sometimes it's hard to keep up.
Seeing as I'm going to place an order probably thru wizard Labs today or tomorrow any flavors that I should definitely have for this milkshake "Marathon"?
I have lots of vanilla but would like to have some MUSTS. I would hate to be 1 or 2 flavors short.
Also has anyone ever had hurricane vapors milkshakes? When I 1st tried them I really loved them - the milkshake part was very light and creamy not too deep if that makes sense. After having them awhile and going back I no longer liked them as much (happens all to often to me) but i still remember that 1st taste. Nice & light & not too overpowering. Just wondering if anyone else has tried them.
There is a chemical in many flavors and (not most oils) (misplaced the name) that varies by flavor in concentration that will react with many plastics that tanks are made of.
Partial list of flavors:
All are TFA
(However this chemical is not limited to TFA flavors)!
Cinnamon
Cinnamon Red Hots
Cinnamon Red Hots Concentrate
Cola
Cola Concentrate
Root Beer / Root Beer Float
Of course then there is the list that was refereed to that shows "know crackers"
Some flavors like Sweet Orange have a similar reaction, but it is not due to the chemical in Cinnamon or Cola and many others; it is the essential oil itself that causes the plastics to crack or in some types of plastic it will actually melt.
The Cinnamon Red Hots concentrate and Cola concentrate are so reactive with plastics they are shipped in metal bottles!
As Bill said Menthol is NOT reactive.
Now as far as "known crackers" I personally like Garlic Herb Triscut ...LOL
(sorry I couldn't resist).
A great test tool for a flavor or mix is get an Evod bcc tank (pretty inexpensive) and adapter if necessary for 510 and vape as usual, it won't take long to show it's reacting...these usually start to melt!
Then reason the bottles don't melt (the flavor bottles) is because they usually are a type of PVC which is highly resistant to reacting with chemicals.
(As mentioned though "special" more resistant bottles are used with Cinnamon and Cinnamon Red Hots, etc.).
I am fairly sure that Polycarbonate is the plastic (polymer) that will crack as opposed to melt.
When I find the chemical name I will follow up with a post naming the culprit and a list of know reactions with various plastics.
This is a big reason I have just switched to glass or SS tanks where I can!
Fire and Ice was my daily mainstay vape for virtually years, and of course Peachy Menthol.
(Old PS flavor mixes...goes back about 5 years)!
Also Fire and Ice can be similar to Firecracker, that is to say it is Cinnamon Red Hots with Menthol as opposed to Cinnamon and Menthol so depending on your recipe one can be more reactive than the other.....
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Next morning. Tank is dead. Cracked and spilt juice all over counter (2 mls). Now we know. Sorry!
Aeration may fix it, but I doubt it. That chemical/floral note must be covered. Alternatively, long steep times can cause those notes to fade. I use creams/vanillas to mask it. Works marvelously.
That's what i figured,but was hoping i would be wrong.Thanks for doing the test.I even looked right on tfa's site,and they have the warning for the red hots,but didn't have it on the regular cinnamon so i kept my fingers crossed haha.Looks like i will just have to keep this one in a fogger,i thought Monica's idea of the stainless,as i have a kayfun tank with the metal ends and small plastic center that also came with the steel center,but i like the way this orchid looks with the full size frosted m-tank,plus i like to see how much juice i have left haha.They need to come out with a good glass option for these things.Next morning. Tank is dead. Cracked and spilt juice all over counter (2 mls). Now we know. Sorry!
If you do decide you might want the Kayfun steel center, I have extras that I no longer use. PM me.
If you go to focalecig website they have glass tank kits for the kfl in black and regular on there US warehouse for about 15 dollars .
Aeration may fix it, but I doubt it. That chemical/floral note must be covered. Alternatively, long steep times can cause those notes to fade. I use creams/vanillas to mask it. Works marvelously.
Well unfortunately, at least one of them *is* vanilla, and maybe the other too... Remember I said I'm trying a lot of diff brands. These are the two FW flavors I got last week, Vanilla Cupcake and Sugar Cookie. The sugar cookie, it's a really odd note, that I've tasted before, I think in MyFreedomSmokes' Snickerdoodle; it seems somewhat like a plastic taste/smell. The Vanilla Cupcake... hmm, not sure if it's a plastic-y taste/smell or what... just an odd "whang".
I let them both sit in hot-tish water for about 5 hrs; then put in the drawer (mostly dark mostly all the time) for about 12 hrs. Today, I'm letting them stand "open" in the cabinet (dark), so I guess I'll give them another taste tomorrow, and see if they're any better.
The Vanilla Cupcake, when I tasted it, wasn't too bad, though not as good as the smell would suggest; I was trying it in my dripper, so after I had a few hits of it, I dripped a couple drops of my blueberry muffin e-juice on it, just to see how well it would blend with that flavor, and that wasn't bad at all. So that one might end up being the better of the two.
I realize this is the TFA thread and not the FW thread, but you guys seem to really know your stuff as far as steeping, aerating, blending flavors, etc. Oh, and these two, I mixed at 11%, because it's with 85% PG.
If I can't get these two to improve any, I'll try to find these flavors in TFA flavors; unfortunately it's very hit or miss; this vendor has this flavor but not that one, etc, and I can't go around ordering one here and one there, the shipping will kill me. So I try to find all the flavors I'm interested in, at one vendor, even if they're different brands of flavors. Good example was that Cake Batter -- bullcity had that (Capella) but were out of stock on acetyl pyrazine. So I went to ecigexpress, and they finally had the Cake Batter back in stock, but the acetyl pyrazine they had in stock was by Signature.
Andria
Several problems with what you're doing possibly. First of all, single flavors are tough, recipes are generally required for 95 - 99% of flavors, depending on who you ask.
I've used TFA vanilla Cupcake and Sugar Cookie quite successfully in several recipes, not alone, but with supporting flavors. They were both spectacular! Sugar Cookies in my Apple Jacks, Vanilla Cupcake in a few different ones, Lemon Cake comes to mind. Both quite delicious, again, not alone. TFA bases were not meant to be stand alone flavorings but ingredients in recipes. Vanilla extract for example in cooking is marvelous, but not alone. Same idea here. Think recipes with different ingredients and flavorings to make a "finished flavoring."
I can tell you from experience that bad juice NEVER becomes great juice. Sometimes, ok juice can steep, the offending flavors dissipate, and they are good. Alternatively, change the offending flavors, make the juice great to start with (BEFORE STEEPING), and keep mixing the 100DT's until it is great, then you have a pretty good chance of a great mix. Use at least 20% flavorings overall, with or without sweeteners, LOL, to find that right flavoring for you. This is the only thing that has worked for me, as I simply do not have time to mix, wait two days, fail, and repeat. I'd never be able to complete a good juice this way, though for many folks, that's the only way they do it. Just a difference in philosophy really. Mine is great today, their's may take a month, or never.
But, whatever works is the best way. I strongly encourage new vapers to test juices individually at first to find the sweet spot for them. Then mix some of the many recipes on this thread, to get a feel for what works for you. You will find some good ones, and then, in time, you can learn how to tweak everything to work for your taste sensibilities. I wish great luck in your VapeQuest!
Edit: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ade-chocolate-chocolate-covered-cherries.html
This is a story of how I mixed a complex flavored juice in about an hour, remixing several times to get it right. This is illustrative of one way to mix juices to find a good flavoring quickly, and without steep time. This is how I do it every time, and the only way I could have come up with 50 ADV's, and 150 recipes+. If I had to wait for steeping, no way I would have more than about 25 juices today. Just sayin'.....
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Several problems with what you're doing possibly. First of all, single flavors are tough, recipes are generally required for 95 - 99% of flavors, depending on who you ask.
I've used TFA vanilla Cupcake and Sugar Cookie quite successfully in several recipes, not alone, but with supporting flavors. They were both spectacular! Sugar Cookies in my Apple Jacks, Vanilla Cupcake in a few different ones, Lemon Cake comes to mind. Both quite delicious, again, not alone. TFA bases were not meant to be stand alone flavorings but ingredients in recipes. Vanilla extract for example in cooking is marvelous, but not alone. Same idea here. Think recipes with different ingredients and flavorings to make a "finished flavoring."
I can tell you from experience that bad juice NEVER becomes great juice. Sometimes, ok juice can steep, the offending flavors dissipate, and they are good. Alternatively, change the offending flavors, make the juice great to start with (BEFORE STEEPING), and keep mixing the 100DT's until it is great, then you have a pretty good chance of a great mix. Use at least 20% flavorings overall, with or without sweeteners, LOL, to find that right flavoring for you. This is the only thing that has worked for me, as I simply do not have time to mix, wait two days, fail, and repeat. I'd never be able to complete a good juice this way, though for many folks, that's the only way they do it. Just a difference in philosophy really. Mine is great today, their's may take a month, or never.
But, whatever works is the best way. I strongly encourage new vapers to test juices individually at first to find the sweet spot for them. Then mix some of the many recipes on this thread, to get a feel for what works for you. You will find some good ones, and then, in time, you can learn how to tweak everything to work for your taste sensibilities. I wish great luck in your VapeQuest!
Edit: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ade-chocolate-chocolate-covered-cherries.html
This is a story of how I mixed a complex flavored juice in about an hour, remixing several times to get it right. This is illustrative of one way to mix juices to find a good flavoring quickly, and without steep time. This is how I do it every time, and the only way I could have come up with 50 ADV's, and 150 recipes+. If I had to wait for steeping, no way I would have more than about 25 juices today. Just sayin'.....
I agree that the waiting for steeping is a real pain, and I totally get it about single-flavors... but I'm so new at all this from-scratch DIY, I want to take my time, and see how it goes. I never intended either of these two flavors as a stand-alone, but to mix with other flavors, but I thought it would be a good idea to see how they taste on their own, before I go making it more complicated.
I've actually created a very good Virginia ejuice, that suits me perfectly, but it wasn't a single-flavor ejuice -- there's Tobacco Express Virginia and just a tiny bit of their Golden Virginia, plus some Signature Cinnamon Redhot and FA Apple in the mix... but until I found a Virginia flavor that was really close to what I wanted, it wouldn't have done any good to add all the other flavors -- I tried that with FA Virginia, and to me that just tastes like rotten celery, eeeuuuwww; no other flavors could improve that! So, that's why I'm trying to get a grip on these two sweet flavors, before I start adding stuff.
When I finally do get to the point where I'm mixing several flavors, I'll definitely try that 100-drop test of yours -- got your blog bookmarked so I can find it easily!
Thx!
Andria
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Hey everybody, I've finally gotten around to getting my five posts in and finished reading this thread from start to end. I've picked up some great tips, tricks and recipes from my reading. Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for sharing their successes and failures here so we can all benefit from them. I'm looking forward tho see how this milkshake vapeathon comes out and will add to it what I can. I played with making a milkshake recipe recently and can say adding about 2% dairy/milk really helped give it that milkshake taste. My problem was what I've heard said about cheesecake, there's that thick mouthful you get from a milkshake that is not reproducible. I'm going to revisit this recipe and will post when I have something I feel is good. I'm always really busy so I may not be terribly active here but will add what and when I can.
It is not a milkshake, and this is NOT my recipe. I found it on the internet somewhere (a link from Facebook perhaps?), but I mixed it a month or so ago thinking it looked good. All TFA flavors, and it IS good!! I mixed it, tasted, tasted good, but put it aside since I have so much vendor juice and totally forgot about it. I was going through my juice box the other day and found the bottle of this. It really is pretty good!
Lapdance
Ripe Strawberry 10%
French Vanilla 3%
Vanilla Swirl 4%
Whip Cream 3%
Some might want to add sweetener, but this is plenty sweet for me! Just thought I would throw out a contribution.
I will be making a flavor order tomorrow for a few things so I can contribute to the milkshake shakedown
Lapdance
Ripe Strawberry 10%
French Vanilla 3%
Vanilla Swirl 4%
Whip Cream 3%
Some might want to add sweetener, but this is plenty sweet for me! Just thought I would throw out a contribution.
I will be making a flavor order tomorrow for a few things so I can contribute to the milkshake shakedown
Welcome. Spot on analysis too!
I think milkshakes may be more attainable because eventually they will melt into a kind of thick creamy sweet concoction. I actually like them a bit more melted so they will work with a straw.
Hope to hear from you soon!
Sounds wonderful. May use the sweet strawberry, but very nice legs, this one! Thank you!It is not a milkshake, and this is NOT my recipe. I found it on the internet somewhere (a link from Facebook perhaps?), but I mixed it a month or so ago thinking it looked good. All TFA flavors, and it IS good!! I mixed it, tasted, tasted good, but put it aside since I have so much vendor juice and totally forgot about it. I was going through my juice box the other day and found the bottle of this. It really is pretty good!
Lapdance
Ripe Strawberry 10%
French Vanilla 3%
Vanilla Swirl 4%
Whip Cream 3%
Some might want to add sweetener, but this is plenty sweet for me! Just thought I would throw out a contribution.
I will be making a flavor order tomorrow for a few things so I can contribute to the milkshake shakedown
I agree that the waiting for steeping is a real pain, and I totally get it about single-flavors... but I'm so new at all this from-scratch DIY, I want to take my time, and see how it goes. I never intended either of these two flavors as a stand-alone, but to mix with other flavors, but I thought it would be a good idea to see how they taste on their own, before I go making it more complicated.
I've actually created a very good Virginia ejuice, that suits me perfectly, but it wasn't a single-flavor ejuice -- there's Tobacco Express Virginia and just a tiny bit of their Golden Virginia, plus some Signature Cinnamon Redhot and FA Apple in the mix... but until I found a Virginia flavor that was really close to what I wanted, it wouldn't have done any good to add all the other flavors -- I tried that with FA Virginia, and to me that just tastes like rotten celery, eeeuuuwww; no other flavors could improve that! So, that's why I'm trying to get a grip on these two sweet flavors, before I start adding stuff.
When I finally do get to the point where I'm mixing several flavors, I'll definitely try that 100-drop test of yours -- got your blog bookmarked so I can find it easily!
Thx!
Andria
The Virginia mixture sounds great! And yes, we do need to find our sweet spot for each flavor as you are doing. Well done! I had gotten the impression that you were looking for single flavor juices....my bad.
The 100DT is simply to allow quick remixing to "Find" the flavoring we seek in a particular juice recipe, and is merely a tool in our arsenal, an arrow in our quiver, so to speak. Welcome to the thread. Appreciate your sharing with us!
I appreciate the offer,i have one though.I may put it on just to try it out,but really dont like all steel tanks so it wont stay on long haha.
Yeah,i have picked up a few of those from fasttech.They are nice for the kayfun,but fit like crap on the orchids,they are so close to the chimney that it cuts the capacity by almost half.
Hey Andria,just so you know,the signature flavors by ecigexpress are tfa flavors,they just label them as their own brand,so if you see a tfa flavor you want,but are ordering other stuff from them,just grab that flavor in the signature it will be the same.
Welcome. Spot on analysis too!
I think milkshakes may be more attainable because eventually they will melt into a kind of thick creamy sweet concoction. I actually like them a bit more melted so they will work with a straw.
Hope to hear from you soon!
Thanks for the welcome Bill. You are 100% right about the melting in to a thick creamy sweet concoction, it will be more attainable than cheesecake and I'm looking forward to all the findings, it may be time for a little "flavor research" now. I'm trying to find the recipes I was working on, I had two. One has the fudge brownie and the other banana cream. From what I recall the banana cream mixed with vanilla bean ice cream, dairy, Bavarian Cream, yellow cake (FW) and graham cracker was pretty close. Sorry I don't have percentages in front of me but it can provide some ideas for people at least.
EDIT: I also added vanillin to it.
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The Virginia mixture sounds great! And yes, we do need to find our sweet spot for each flavor as you are doing. Well done! I had gotten the impression that you were looking for single flavor juices....my bad.
The 100DT is simply to allow quick remixing to "Find" the flavoring we seek in a particular juice recipe, and is merely a tool in our arsenal, an arrow in our quiver, so to speak. Welcome to the thread. Appreciate your sharing with us!
Thx! It's just unfortunate for me that just about the same time, or a little after, I created that good Virginia, I got to where that flavor just doesn't do it for me anymore; as I said, I can really only vape that right after I eat, when I used to always have a smoke -- or, on the rare occasions when I actually feel like a cigarette would be good -- the WTA mostly prevents that, but it does happen from time to time, and it's good that I have something that can stand-in for cigarettes! It's such a good resemblance, in fact, that I have caught myself, going "oh no, what am I doing, I'm in the house... oh wait, this is vapor, I'm ALLOWED to do that in the house!"
When I told my husband about that, he laughed his .... off. But it does seem to be fairly common for a lot of us, the longer we're away from smoking, the less we enjoy the taste of tobacco. I consider that a very positive development... but, now I have to learn how to make these other, sweeter flavors. That experience with the FA Virginia and then the Tobacco Express Virginia taught me about how single-flavors are nearly always unsatisfactory on their own, and why it's a good idea to know how the "base" note tastes on its own, before you go mixing a bunch of stuff in with it -- if it's bad, how will you know what part is bad?
Eventually, I want a mix of blueberry muffin and banana nut bread, which is what I vape now about 98% of the time, but currently with pre-made ejuice... though I will say, the Banana Nut Bread that I DIY'ed the other night, while it's a TFA single-flavor, it's really not bad at all -- I did add 2% TFA sweetener, just because I *like* banana nut bread pretty sweet. Right now I'm blending that DIY Banana Nut Bread with my pre-made blueberry muffin, and it's not bad. Once I get the Cake Batter flavor, probably Monday, I can start experimenting with a blueberry muffin DIY, and see how that goes. I'll have the acetyl pyrazine if I need to boost the "cakey" flavor any; I'm hoping I won't need to order any other blueberry flavors, but with what I've been reading about the TFA Blueberry Extra being a bit weak, I may end up getting some of that Bilberry flavor, from FA. Or maybe the Blueberry Candy flavor can boost the blueberry, and keep it sweet too.
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