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Don't mean to interrupt the conversation. But I need to ask the TFA mix gurus. :)

You know how some vapes you take have a inhale and exhale taste? Is this achieve by combining a flavor later on the mix say a few hours? Days? Or do you just mix all the flavors at once?

The way I'm mixing currently is nic, flavors, PG/VG. Hot water soak and shake. Does it matter the order of ingredients going in the bottle?

Just wondering. Thanks.
I mix all my recipe pieces at the same time. I can't say that I've given any thought as to why we can make mixes and have different inhale/exhale experiences, but I know that it does happen on some mixes. If there is an answer, I would love to have some enlightenment myself! Interesting question, to be sure! :toast: :D

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I agree,never really tried to figure out why,but i'll admit it is pretty wild how that happens.Most juices i've had dont do that,but the one i'm currently on as an adv does it.I get a strong peanut butter on the inhale and then it dissapears and i get banana and a tiny bit of caramel on the exhale.Like Bill,all my ingredients were added all in one session.

I'm wondering if maybe it has to do with the different temperature?I would imagine it would be a different temp going in than what it is coming out,dont know if that has anything todo with it,but now you got me wondering too haha.
 
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I just wanted to know and figure it out. It hit me couple days ago vaping Queenside. I had the Orange inhale and when I exhaled it was French Vanilla. A thought came in and I asked myself how???

I mean I've mixed CL clone using all TFA ingredients. It was just a rush of all flavors at once and then little notes here and there.

Maybe someone who knows might be able to help. I was thinking of certain flavors get added later in the process say a few hours or days and let the first flavors settle in and then kind of infuse the secondary, third flavors afterwards.

Don't know. Just thinking out loud.
 

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Plays no part in when the flavors are added because they all vape at the same time. Temperature plays a role. Fruits are more potent at higher temp while vanilla and creams tend to mute at higher temps. Hot vape in, taste the fruit, vape cools in your lungs again, taste the background notes more on the way out.
 

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Plays no part in when the flavors are added because they all vape at the same time. Temperature plays a role. Fruits are more potent at higher temp while vanilla and creams tend to mute at higher temps. Hot vape in, taste the fruit, vape cools in your lungs again, taste the background notes more on the way out.

Very interesting info. It gives me much to think about, in the different flavors I get from my Smoky Cappucino at different temps; at anything above 9w, it's more tobaccoish and coffeeish, not as smooth and sweet, even a bit harsh; under 9w, it's sweeter, creamier, smoother. I like it both ways, but it depends on what I'm in the mood for.

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I mix all my recipe pieces at the same time. I can't say that I've given any thought as to why we can make mixes and have different inhale/exhale experiences, but I know that it does happen on some mixes. If there is an answer, I would love to have some enlightenment myself! Interesting question, to be sure! :toast: :D

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Just one man's opinion, but I find some flavors inherently have more prominence either on inhale or exhale. For the extreme example, look at cinnamon candy flavor. Bangs you in the face on inhale but exhale is somewhat muted, while many creams and vanillas tend to raise their hand more upon exhale. I think that's one of the things about mixing that makes it more of a craft is that you can aim for this multi-level taste experience by combining certain flavors. After all, if a flavor taste is more prominent on inhale/exhale when it plays solo, it's going to do the same when teamed up with other flavors.
 

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So.. as much as I wanted to get reagent bottles to put the base flavoring concentrates in, I saw mixed info on how well the ones I found with amber glass sealed the containers and also saw that they were at least 3X-4X the price of 4oz Boston Round cobalt blue bottles from Specialty Bottle. I found out about Specialty Bottle reading older posts from Kurt a few years back about storing concentrated nicotine. Based on the measurement specs, and measuring of the 4" glass droppers I got - the ones Bill recommended from Amazon, it seemed like these should work or be really close. I didn't want to worry about the dropper falling into the bottle and not being able to get it out without pouring the bottle out if I was chasing the last bit of flavoring in the bottom.

These are "BRB4" 4oz Boston Rounds, and were I think 91 cents apiece with regular caps - phenolic with lined foam inserts, plus some shipping/handling. As it turns out Specialty Bottle does also have the phenolic caps with poly cone inserts but you have to email or call them to ask for those instead and they said they are only a few cents per bottle more. Unfortunately they had already processed my order for shipment, so I got some poly cone insert caps separately.

Not perfect, since the dropper is just a wee bit short for the bottle - but these will work just fine. I can still squeeze the bulb OK :)

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I'm a sucker for blue anyway, lol. It's nicer looking and but still gives some light protection. (they'll be stored where it will be dark most of the time anyway)
 
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Just one man's opinion, but I find some flavors inherently have more prominence either on inhale or exhale. For the extreme example, look at cinnamon candy flavor. Bangs you in the face on inhale but exhale is somewhat muted, while many creams and vanillas tend to raise their hand more upon exhale. I think that's one of the things about mixing that makes it more of a craft is that you can aim for this multi-level taste experience by combining certain flavors. After all, if a flavor taste is more prominent on inhale/exhale when it plays solo, it's going to do the same when teamed up with other flavors.

Makes sense, though sometimes I get differences, other times I don't, even with very similar mixes. If there is a specific way to do this, I'd love to hear about. Sure, we all have theories, the mix, the flavors, the temperature, the gear, air flow, wick material, all manner of coils, etc. I would just love to hear specific "rules" that govern how this works, i.e., what flavors at what percentages mixed with what yields X result. I've never heard anyone, or read anywhere that can explain in detailed specifics how this works, so that we could incorporate it as part of a planned juice making process. But I do hear you on this! :toast:

If there was any consistency to this "phenomenon", I feel almost certain I would have noticed it, given thousands of 100DT's, and all manner of mixes. Seems very hit or miss to me, virtually random, but, perhaps, there is a way to quantify it, and I would love to hear someone do that...for all of us. There may be too many variables in the way we each vape, though, I suspect, to be able to do this. But, I have a very open mind and I'm all ears! Thank you for the contribution! :toast: :D

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Cool. Thanks for the info. So mix a batch. Play with the wattage and taste the different notes.

I've noticed that when building a coil. At 1.2 it tastes different than a .80 and lower. Temp. Thanks

Playing with different heat/wattage/voltage to ascertain the best temperature to vape a juice it is a basic tenet of vaping. Some juices are more delicate and literally burn at higher temperatures that other juices thrive at. How this affects the inhale/exhale equation though is not resolved on heat alone, as most mixes are NOT significantly different on inhale/exhale. There's more to it than just heat, imho. What the other variables are, though, I believe still eludes our thinking and pro-active juice making efforts thus far. Surely there's a reason.....we live in a cause and effect universe....but the precise mechanisms have not been adequately explained from everything I've learned or read, thus far. But, we shall see. I hope someone figures out a predictable and precise way to influence juice in this way, as I would love to adopt its strategy. :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :toast: :D

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I made a pretty good orange cream. I've always been dying for a really orange cream sherbert type vape. I've tried a few in the past and eh they just weren't it. This one came out pretty good imo:

Orange Sickle
Orange Cream - 6%
Marshmallow - 5%
Smooth - 2%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream - 2%
Whipped cream - 2%

It's not my recipe I found it online - I may have changed it a bit cuz I normally do. I really wanted a cream with orange thrown in.

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Thanks MonicaRae will definitely try this one after my next flavorings order (need to get some Orange Cream, Smooth, and Whipped Cream)
 

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Don't mean to interrupt the conversation. But I need to ask the TFA mix gurus. :)

You know how some vapes you take have a inhale and exhale taste? Is this achieve by combining a flavor later on the mix say a few hours? Days? Or do you just mix all the flavors at once?

The way I'm mixing currently is nic, flavors, PG/VG. Hot water soak and shake. Does it matter the order of ingredients going in the bottle?

Just wondering. Thanks.

So, this article i found isnt directed towards vaping but I do believe we can learn something from it for inhale/exhale and how our taste buds work... thought it was interesting if nothing else..

http://www.ift.org/~/media/Knowledg...ivity Guide/activity_tastewithoutyournose.pdf

Hope it allows me to post this link
 

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The % listed is a reccomended starting point for each flavor as a stand alone flavor,usually when mixing them with other flavors,they will go quite a bit lower.As for the 4/5,5/5 etc. that was whoever made that lists rating of each flavor,basically 4 out of 5 stars,etc. type rating.

Thank you for the info bm. I sorta figured it was a starting point of some sort but wasn't really sure. I feel kinda stupid with the 4-5 start thing...:facepalm: I shoulda picked that up..lol. What a great thread.
 
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