The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[Monotremata]

Nic: what do you (or anyone) make of a 28g, 12 wrap coil on a 5/64ths rod that is reading at 2.1 ohms on my Magma/istick setup? According to the calculators I've used, it should be more in the range of 1.5. I can't think what accounts for the difference. This is my first coil ever built, and it's been a long time coming, so I'm pleased, regardless, but it takes a long time to heat up even at 15w and although the flavor is there, it is giving a super heavy throat hit while also not producing much vapor. The vapor is cool, which is fine with me, but I don't understand where the throat hit comes from, considering it's neither very hot, nor giving much in the way of clouds. Any ideas?

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No way 12 wraps will hit 1.5.. I use 29ga so its a bit more resistant but not much.. 6/7 wraps of 29ga gets you 1.4-1.6..

My Magma has a twisted 29ga, 5/64", about 10 wraps and that's hitting 1.2 ohms. A single strand would've been 2.4, which is in the area your 28ga would be..

As for the throat hit, what's your nic level and pg/vg ratio?? Mine was kinda harsh at 10-12mg. I'm now down to 6mg altogether, and the Magma is right at home (as are the Kayfun 4s).. Mine are always 50/50 mixes BTW..

 

[lirruping]

Why are DX flavors called that? I see that they have butyric acid instead of acetyl propionyl/acetoin, but what does the DX stand for?

Also, has anyone tried the organic strawberry flavoring? I don't have enough different strawberries...looking for reasons to buy more!

 

[lirruping]

No way 12 wraps will hit 1.5.. I use 29ga so its a bit more resistant but not much.. 6/7 wraps of 29ga gets you 1.4-1.6..

My Magma has a twisted 29ga, 5/64", about 10 wraps and that's hitting 1.2 ohms. A single strand would've been 2.4, which is in the area your 28ga would be..

As for the throat hit, what's your nic level and pg/vg ratio?? Mine was kinda harsh at 10-12mg. I'm now down to 6mg altogether, and the Magma is right at home (as are the Kayfun 4s).. Mine are always 50/50 mixes BTW..

I was using a 50/50 juice at 12mg...kind of high for dripping, eh? So I guess that part makes more sense now. Thank you Well, I must have done the calculations wrong. Will take yet another look.

Would you recommend I try building for the magma with 32 g? That is the other type of wire I have.

This guy gets a 1.5 ohm coil with 12-13 wraps of 28g on a 5/64ths somehow... hrm.

maybe he's actually using something smaller. Or larger.. Or my drill bit isn't the size I think it is. I really AM confused, but I'll figure it out. I mostly just wanted to brag that I successfully built my first coil. Please move on with the flavor discussion!

 

[Monotremata]

I retired my 32ga once I got 29 haha. At that resistance 32ga is a small coil so you're losing surface area to heat the wick. I used to burn the tails off wicks in a Kayfun Lite all the time at like 10 watts haha. I'd try like 8 wraps of 28, you should be around 1.5 or so..

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Ok guys...first diy order asking for advice... Peach or Juicy Peach??

 

[Stacy1]

JUICY is the best IMO. Tastes just like biting into one

 

[JD1]

.......Would you recommend I try building for the magma with 32 g? .........

Because of the broad range of 'me likey' it's hard to come up with some rules of thumb, so I can only say what I like and leave it at that. My advice is to read, experiment, read, experiment, ad nauseam lol.

Answer. If you are powering with vv or vw, build to 2.4 to 2.8 single coil micro (1/16th) close wrap (touching).
Powering with mech: 1.0 to 1.2 ohm with twisted single coil micro (1/16th) close wrap (touching).

On my 'to try' list. 29 ga.

Let us know how it goes.

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Ok Ive just assembled what I feel should be my first order. Theres a ton of tfa flavors on here, so if you guys dont mind could you all look at my list of flavors and tell me if these are good, as well as if the flavors i put down that arent tfa, if they have a equivalent in tfa that is better?? (That was a long run on)

Tfa granny smith apple
Tfa honeydew
Tfa blue raspberry
Tfa juicy peach
Fa watermelon
Tfa dx original caramel
Fa butterscotch
Tfa sweetener
Fa fresh cream
Fa pineapple
Tfa mango
Fw strawberry

 

[MasteroftheVape]

You would have to do like 16 wraps on a 5/64 bit to get 2.4ohm with 28guage. Easiest fix is to make bigger coils, use a 1/8 bit and wrap it 11 or 12 times.

 

[Stacy1]

with that many fruits, I'd add another cream or vanilla. Vanilla swirl, Bavarian cream, etc... just to have another binder besides the fresh cream from FA.

 

[MasteroftheVape]

You would have to do like 16 wraps on a 5/64 bit to get 2.4ohm with 28guage. Easiest fix is to make bigger coils, use a 1/8 bit and wrap it 11 or 12 times.

Just saw this in a thread. Might help you out.

 

[Dixie1954]

Anyone know if the TFA Honeysuckle tastes good?? I loved sucking out the nectar of that flower when I was a child

 

[MasteroftheVape]

Anyone know if the TFA Honeysuckle tastes good?? I loved sucking out the nectar of that flower when I was a child

It's good. I have a pretty killer blueberry honeysuckle on this thread somewhere.

 

[Nic-holio]

Why are DX flavors called that? I see that they have butyric acid instead of acetyl propionyl/acetoin, but what does the DX stand for?

Also, has anyone tried the organic strawberry flavoring? I don't have enough different strawberries...looking for reasons to buy more!

Diketone free

 

[Nic-holio]

Nic: what do you (or anyone) make of a 28g, 12 wrap coil on a 5/64ths rod that is reading at 2.1 ohms on my Magma/iStick setup? According to the calculators I've used, it should be more in the range of 1.5. I can't think what accounts for the difference. This is my first coil ever built, and it's been a long time coming, so I'm pleased, regardless, but it takes a long time to heat up even at 15w and although the flavor is there, it is giving a super heavy throat hit while also not producing much vapor. The vapor is cool, which is fine with me, but I don't understand where the throat hit comes from, considering it's neither very hot, nor giving much in the way of clouds. Any ideas?

That seems high for that spec of wraps, gauge, and inside diameter. Perhaps try a different ohm gage, I've heard of some not being really accurate. I have seen the ohms gradually increase over time as "crud" builds up on them, until I burn it off at the next rewick.

It could be the wraps aren't very tight, leading to larger wraps that add up to more resistance. It could also be the length of the legs wasn't factored in (more wire = more resistance). You might also want to check and make sure the screws holding the leads are tight. Best way to tell if this is the cause is to have it sitting on a meter while you check screw tension. If you see ohms come back down when you tighten the lead screws you know this was the cause (but don't overtighten - it only needs a snug hold)

 

[baseballmom]

Ok Ive just assembled what I feel should be my first order. Theres a ton of tfa flavors on here, so if you guys dont mind could you all look at my list of flavors and tell me if these are good, as well as if the flavors i put down that arent tfa, if they have a equivalent in tfa that is better?? (That was a long run on)

Tfa granny smith apple
Tfa honeydew
Tfa blue raspberry
Tfa juicy peach
Fa watermelon
Tfa dx original caramel
Fa butterscotch
Tfa sweetener
Fa fresh cream
Fa pineapple
Tfa mango
Fw strawberry

I agree with all Stacy has said, juicy peach, vanilla swirl, and bavarian cream, they have a dx version too....strawberry-both of tfa' s are good, ripe is more of a savory strawberry, I'd grab "smalls" of both to flavor test both, some don't like ripe, but those that do seem to LOVE it, I haven't had fw' s, but really like tfa' s...good luck and welcome to diy and the tfa thread!!


Wouldn't a dx tfa butterscotch rock, they did caramel, I think this would be a huge seller!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Ok Ive just assembled what I feel should be my first order. Theres a ton of tfa flavors on here, so if you guys dont mind could you all look at my list of flavors and tell me if these are good, as well as if the flavors i put down that arent tfa, if they have a equivalent in tfa that is better?? (That was a long run on)

Tfa granny smith apple
Tfa honeydew
Tfa blue raspberry
Tfa juicy peach
Fa watermelon
Tfa dx original caramel
Fa butterscotch
Tfa sweetener
Fa fresh cream
Fa pineapple
Tfa mango
Fw strawberry

I posted this a while back:

I agree with Nate, the ripe banana works best when used with either Bananas Foster or Banana Cream. On the chocolate recipe, you are probably missing sweet cream and TFA Sweetener, and likely vanilla swirl. You can't really make a good chocolate without vanilla, cream and sweetener, just like in real life. Butter helps too. That being said, the fudge brownie is the closest to any of the TFA chocolates that is vapable, imho. Here's my List of Basic Flavorings:

Basic Flavorings

Vanilla Swirl
Vanilla Custard
Vanilla Cupcake
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
Sweet Cream
Bavarian Cream
French Vanilla Cream
Dulce de Leche
Cotton Candy
Sweetener
Brown Sugar
Graham Cracker
Pie Crust
Marshmallow
Sweet and Tart
Butter
Cinnamon Danish
Hazelnut
Koolada

Fruits:

Lemon
Apple
Banana Cream
Bananas Foster
Juicy Peach
Pineapple
Coconut
Strawberry
Raspberry

You will use these ingredients in 99% of your mixes. Of course, there are many others, but if I were starting out, knowing what I now know, these are the first ones I would buy. Single ingredient mixes will only vary rarely work. You do need the creams, vanillas and sweeteners which not only add depth, richness and texture, but also act as primary flavor enhancers. They work wonders.

I have some blogs that may be useful to you: E-Cigarette Forum - Bill's Magic Vapor - Blogs

Good luck!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Regarding coils, I use an 8/7 wrap of 29 gauge kanthal on 1/16" mandrel for a 1.4 ohm coil. KGD wicking. Favorite atomizer is a Taifun GT. 11 watts. I make all my recipes to work best with this setup. You may have to change your juices to reflect your hardware and temperature too!

 

[DingerCPA]

^^^ +1

I have a fair supply of custards, sweet cream, marshmallow, and even french vanillas. Might think about Cinnamon Danish and/or a waffle for a bakery-type vape.

 

[baseballmom]

DX Cinnamon Danish-TFA - Bull City Vapor
DX Cinnamon Danish Flavor Concentrate by TFA (0.27oz)

From shopping list posted, I think maybe trying to avoid stuff, I could be wrong though. Again, another dx version, great suggestion Dinger!


http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/upgrade.aspx, answer to bulk account question asked on other thread...set up regular account with tfa, then set up bulk....rec "smalls" initially, when you know what you like, then go bulk for the frequently used favorites....4 oz will last awhile