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Logically, I would think 'after' -- since it arrests the "development" of the flavor(s) -- that's why I said I would add it to my strawberries and cream several hours after mixing; it tastes good right away, but in 1-3 hrs, it tastes GREAT, and that's the point where I'd want it to stop changing.

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Citric acid at 10% solution at 1% of mix, or less ATM is all you need on a HFM. Don't need it at all after steeping. If you make juice commercially, you have to add Citric acid or similar to prevent contamination after a long shelf life in potentially bad conditions. I know many juice makers that put their juices out in the sun on carts all day long, every day. If there is any water, at all in the mix, you could potentially develop issues after 30 days in an environment like that. But, mainly, I use it to arrest the steeping process since I mix juice to taste great ATM. :2c: :toast: :D

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Just mixed up a bottle of that DK Tobacco recipe. Good stuff. I'll not mess with the recipe til I get some feedback from anyone that tries it. Guess I need to figure out a name for this now. :)
Unless you like an "in your face" tobacco, that will leave a lingering taste in your mouth, I would cut that DK way back.
First off, mixed fresh, it may be good, but unless you plan on vaping it all up within a few days, your in for a surprise.
Tobacco's are flavorings that do require a 4 week steep to get the real flavor to come through. (sorry Bill)
If you mix it and don't finish it right away, you will find it "grows". Coming back to it in a few weeks will be an eye opener.
I don't care for a real strong tobacco taste, so the DK is one that I use at 1 drop per 4ml.
You don't need to reduce it that far, but I would give it some time before deciding what % your going to use if it's going to be sitting around at all.
Cowboy and M-Type are the same way ... they get stronger as they "mature"
Just passing on my experience with them ... you may like them strong :p
 

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Thanks Slots! I've been wondering about that - whether this DK Tobacco flavoring would get stronger in the mix over time or not. I'll pull 5ml of this bottle out and set it aside for a 3-4 weeks for further eval. That's a really good idea. I did put 2 drops of 10% citric acid solution in this 50ml bottle FWIW.

See this is what concerns me about so much of the info out there. I had found a couple of recipes posted using DK Tobacco, one here on ECF and another in the Ejuicemeup calculator. Both used it at 3% and the TFA starting recommendations post from 10/2013 I have bookmarked shows 2-5% for it. You don't always know where that person is coming from (ie, how they mix), what their sense of taste is, or other parameters (like how long they let something sit).

Thanks again Slots.
 

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Great citric acid info, thanks for sharing, a nice refresher....tried in 1 mix so far, blackberry bavarian cream, came out nice, separation of flavors and added a nice touch(sour twang, mild) to BlackBerry. I need to try in more mixes though. Also want to try DaveinOK' s HIC' s lemon, lime-boost tip some time soon

Hoping our flavor orders come in today, know Andria is really needing her shisha strawberry and wants to see if likes malted milk in her sc recipe, or not, and I'm eager to get some new flavors in. Fingers crossed today brings flavor mail! Hoping Andria give a review on the dx cinn Danish once she tries out, I know John says dx versions are all pretty good.
 
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I would like to ask about mixing citric acid. I tried mixing it with PG and the citric acid just would not dissolve.

So, I decided to dissolve it in water. (You know what they say "water is the universal solvent" thanks to water being a bipolar molecule). I mixed 1 gram of citric acid with 9 ml of water and it dissolved just fine.

I figured that 1 drop of this water-based solution in 30ml of a PG/VG solution would be fine.

Is that what everyone else is doing to make a citric acid solution?

(I know this is the TPA thread, but since citric acid was being discussed, I thought I'd mention it here.)
 

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I mixed 1/4 tsp with 10 ml pg, shook, put glass in cup of warm water, set a bit, shook some more, let sit a long while because kept putting off trying, shook well before used for first time last week in a trial mix...it did take time for the citric acid crystals to fully dissolve hence my method used
 

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I've been mixing for over a year now. There's a few ADVs in my line.

My favorite ADV is Pixie Elixir which was one of my first concocted mixes. However, I feel like I'm missing something and I haven't had a lot of time lately to "perfect" it.

TFA Absinthe 8%
TFA Blackberry 7%
TFA Raspberry 2% (recently added and it seemed to help somewhat)
TFA Sweetner 1%

I've had so many variations of this with no final "holy cow" result. I've tried 2% sweet cream which over powered it and so on. I'm really trying to get the Blackberry on the inhale with the absinthe on the out. I'm just looking for some advice on what I can change (add/remove, up/down) in the recipe to give it the thick fruity flavor.
 

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I've been mixing for over a year now. There's a few ADVs in my line.

My favorite ADV is Pixie Elixir which was one of my first concocted mixes. However, I feel like I'm missing something and I haven't had a lot of time lately to "perfect" it.

TFA Absinthe 8%
TFA Blackberry 7%
TFA Raspberry 2% (recently added and it seemed to help somewhat)
TFA Sweetner 1%

I've had so many variations of this with no final "holy cow" result. I've tried 2% sweet cream which over powered it and so on. I'm really trying to get the Blackberry on the inhale with the absinthe on the out. I'm just looking for some advice on what I can change (add/remove, up/down) in the recipe to give it the thick fruity flavor.

I would experiment with creams, vanillas and cotton candy. At low enough percentages, they will not overwhelm the mix and will enhance the primaries. We are all different, so 2% sweet cream may overwhelm for you, so try a lower amount. Try vanilla. Try cotton candy. There is a combination that will cause those flavorings to take off. Separation is the most difficult type of mix as all flavors blend and meld. But it does happen sometimes. Keep at it and good luck! :toast: :D

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I would experiment with creams, vanillas and cotton candy. At low enough percentages, they will not overwhelm the mix and will enhance the primaries. We are all different, so 2% sweet cream may overwhelm for you, so try a lower amount. Try vanilla. Try cotton candy. There is a combination that will cause those flavorings to take off. Separation is the most difficult type of mix as all flavors blend and meld. But it does happen sometimes. Keep at it and good luck! :toast: :D

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I've experimented with cotton candy. It was in my first stretch of mixes. I'll bring it back up to the drawing board. I've also noticed (maybe it's just me) that the flavor profiles tend to die off after a few days. One other thing, in your Pink Starburst recipe will strawberry ripe replace strawberry? I have strawberry and it's god awful. Lol. Thanks Bill!
 

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Great citric acid info, thanks for sharing, a nice refresher....tried in 1 mix so far, blackberry bavarian cream, came out nice, separation of flavors and added a nice touch(sour twang, mild) to BlackBerry. I need to try in more mixes though. Also want to try DaveinOK' s HIC' s lemon, lime-boost tip some time soon

Hoping our flavor orders come in today, know Andria is really needing her shisha strawberry and wants to see if likes malted milk in her sc recipe, or not, and I'm eager to get some new flavors in. Fingers crossed today brings flavor mail! Hoping Andria give a review on the dx cinn Danish once she tries out, I know John says dx versions are all pretty good.

YES! Every single thing I'm still expecting (except that FT Chi You Kick ring, aarghh!) is OUT FOR DELIVERY!

The Chi You ring *might* be here today; today makes 2 wks since it was shipped... but it's from FT, so I'll expect that WHEN I SEE IT! :facepalm: :D And now I know, if I ever order from FT again, pay the extra so I get the stupid tracking number; not having any idea where something is, in the shipping process, is driving me right up a wall. :facepalm: I just got the free shipping for this thing, since it was only $2.31, but for anything more costly, the extra $$$ for a tracking number is definitely worth it.

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I would like to ask about mixing citric acid. I tried mixing it with PG and the citric acid just would not dissolve.

So, I decided to dissolve it in water. (You know what they say "water is the universal solvent" thanks to water being a bipolar molecule). I mixed 1 gram of citric acid with 9 ml of water and it dissolved just fine.

I figured that 1 drop of this water-based solution in 30ml of a PG/VG solution would be fine.

Is that what everyone else is doing to make a citric acid solution?

(I know this is the TPA thread, but since citric acid was being discussed, I thought I'd mention it here.)

I mixed 1/4 tsp with 10 ml pg, shook, put glass in cup of warm water, set a bit, shook some more, let sit a long while because kept putting off trying, shook well before used for first time last week in a trial mix...it did take time for the citric acid crystals to fully dissolve hence my method used

I saw the same sort of thing when I mixed up ethyl maltol. I had nothing to go on as far as instructions, so I just mixed it (also a scant 1/4 tsp in 10ml PG), shook the devil out of it, and put it in the cabinet; every day, I gave it another FRANTIC shaking, and it dissolved entirely within a week. I figured citric acid would be similar.

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Goo, another suggestion....have you tried any marshmallow yet? Might be something to try to add thickness. I would also read the citric acid info last few pages too, might be something to consider or try out, not only for flavor separation but to add for your fruits, adds a little zing at low 1% addition...
 

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Goo, another suggestion....have you tried any marshmallow yet? Might be something to try to add thickness. I would also read the citric acid info last few pages too, might be something to consider or try out, not only for flavor separation but to add for your fruits, adds a little zing at low 1% addition...

I'll give that a shot. They have it here locally at the VitaminShoppe. 100% citric acid powder. I appreciate the input!
 
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