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On a helpful note regarding PGA added as dilutent for oil based or non water soluble flavors:
Many have mentioned that they do not like the throat hit or harshness associated with PGA, and it DOES / IS harsh when vaping!
Solution:
Example: Sweet Orange from TFA
Dilute with 1 part PGA to 3 Parts Sweet Orange; allow to sit in an open container for about 24 hours to allow the alcohol to evaporate.
Now then this can also be accomplished by gentile heating , but I would avoid heating anything with PGA in it as it is more flammable than gasoline!
(Not to mention you cannot see the flame from PGA as it is a translucent blue very high heat flame)!
It's a chemistry thing, once the alcohol has been introduced it changes the non water soluble solution into a water soluble solution, and it is no longer dependent on the alcohol esters. Evaporation removes the remaining alcohol that did not absorb or mix into the original solution!
* Always mix your non water soluble flavors with PGA or PG before adding any VG to avoid separation or a milky mixture
Many have mentioned that they do not like the throat hit or harshness associated with PGA, and it DOES / IS harsh when vaping!
Solution:
Example: Sweet Orange from TFA
Dilute with 1 part PGA to 3 Parts Sweet Orange; allow to sit in an open container for about 24 hours to allow the alcohol to evaporate.
Now then this can also be accomplished by gentile heating , but I would avoid heating anything with PGA in it as it is more flammable than gasoline!
(Not to mention you cannot see the flame from PGA as it is a translucent blue very high heat flame)!
It's a chemistry thing, once the alcohol has been introduced it changes the non water soluble solution into a water soluble solution, and it is no longer dependent on the alcohol esters. Evaporation removes the remaining alcohol that did not absorb or mix into the original solution!
* Always mix your non water soluble flavors with PGA or PG before adding any VG to avoid separation or a milky mixture
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I use EM crystals. I've had the same vile for a long time now. Someone posted a formula once on just how much to mix in PG for the perfect amount to dissolve? Not sure if he was a chemist but he did seem to know what he was talking about. 1/4 teaspoon per 21 1/4 ml of PG. It's always worked well for me so that's how I do it.
This was in regard to the questions Kingsley1065 asked.
This was in regard to the questions Kingsley1065 asked.
A question for Bill, I'm sure it was answered somewhere in this thread but I couldn't find it....
Assuming you make your own "Cotton Candy" from EM crystals, what is the formula you use, and your recipes would be based on?
I've seen mix ratios anywhere from 1:3 to 1:17. I know the mix doesn't matter unless you happen to be trying to reproduce the recipe, as is the case here.
Assuming you make your own "Cotton Candy" from EM crystals, what is the formula you use, and your recipes would be based on?
I've seen mix ratios anywhere from 1:3 to 1:17. I know the mix doesn't matter unless you happen to be trying to reproduce the recipe, as is the case here.
With regard to dissolving EM crystals in PG, I was under the impression that a 10% solution is about the maximum for EM that will dissolve in PG. If this correct, putting a surplus of EM in PG will solve the problem.
That's what I do. If I can see undissolved EM crystals in the bottle of PG, I assume that it is approximately a 10% solution.
Maybe ItTechy can confirm this.
That's what I do. If I can see undissolved EM crystals in the bottle of PG, I assume that it is approximately a 10% solution.
Maybe ItTechy can confirm this.
My mix is 1/4 teaspoon to 10ml pg
Took a few days to fully dissolve.
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Took a few days to fully dissolve.
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I mix mine @ 1 tsp to 29ml pg. I mix in a 30ml glass boston round bottle. I put the bottle in very hot water. I remove and shake the bottle every few minutes. I also replace the water as it cools. It takes about 30 minutes to an hour to dissolve all the crystals using this method. Time depends on how often I remember to shake and replace the hot water.
This is the same ratio as i do mine.If you heat it a bit and shake,you won't need to wait those few days though.
I am vaping Bill's Peach Cobbler on my just received Kayfun 4 - bliss!!! 
You are probably over 10%, more like 15% or more...
This thread suggests the density of EM is 1.26 gm/cm, making it 26% more dense that water and presumably PG. However there was some uncertainty as to the basis of the number- powder form or crystals. If the "10% solution" is based on weight, then considering your 1 tsp = 4.93ml, and specific gravity 1.26 then a teaspoon of crystals weighs 4.93*1.26=6.2gm and you would want to dilute that into about 55ml pf PG. If the crystals are more like 1.00 specific gravity then only 35 ml PG.
If someone here has some TFA EM crystals and a well calibrated gram scale, they might want to measure and weigh a sample. I just used my last crystals so can't do that until I reorder.
As I mentioned a few posts up, this only matters if you are trying to reproduce recipes, which is why I posed the question to Bill. For any other recipes I suspect that it's a guess since everyone probably makes their own "cotton Candy" differently. And interestingly, I don't see that 10% number used on TFA's description of their cotton candy. They just say they make it as strong as they can without the crystals precipitating out.
Bill makes a good point, though: if you want your "Cotton Candy" to be dependable, always taste the same, then it's a good idea to get the TFA Cotton Candy flavor. I'm not sure how EXACTLY it's different from home-mixed EM, but it definitely is.
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TFA's content list indicates their Cotton Candy is PG and EM, nothing more. But they do not specify the exact strength. So if Bill based his recipes on pre-made Cotton Candy then that is a good point and the answer to my question.
Max em in pg is about 10%, anything over that will have floaties in it. It is possible to mix with PGA to make it more water soluable then mix the increased strength solution into pg. But it's a moot point if you want true repeatability, I have a very accurate gram scale and do all my mixing by weight. I'll still just spend 6 bucks to buy cotton candy from TFA.
4oz of it goes a looong way, and my time to mix it myself is worth more than $6.
4oz of it goes a looong way, and my time to mix it myself is worth more than $6.
I have been trying to create a very plain, basice, "cigarette-esque" flavor for my dad and I just can't seem to get it down. I'm working with dk 555, western(cowboy), and M-type (I also have double RY4 but i'm trying to avoid sweetness). Is there any other ingredient I could add that would enhance the tobacco flavor without adding extra sweetness, or better yet remove some of the already present sweetness in these tobacco flavors?
Also, since this is my first post here, I want to say thanks to everybody participating in this thread. The tips and advice I've read here has vastly improved my DIY abilities.
Also, since this is my first post here, I want to say thanks to everybody participating in this thread. The tips and advice I've read here has vastly improved my DIY abilities.
I'm trying to recreate Space Jam's Eclipse. The description mentions Cavendish (pipe) Tobacco, Cream and Vanilla. I've been looking around for for Cavendish. TPA does not have it, and none of the other brands either - at least not by that name. Can you think of a TPA tobacco that might come close?
Back when I sold juice, a lot of people were very fond of M-type @0.75%. Said it was the closest to a cig vape they ever had. I'm not a fan of the tobacco vapes so I can't comment personally, but I had a lot of repeat sales.
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