I don't know about anything mech or vv that has a reputation for lasting longer than Provari. I don't doubt that nerves of the vaping future has fueled sales of mech's and rba's for awhile now. But mech's can fail, strip threads, button issues, etc and a lot that I've read about need tinkering with to get them working right (ugh). I figure if my Provari bites the dust, I'll have the components to make a mech and they can't outlaw flashlights. Even an Altoids tin with a couple of AA batteries works. I can't believe legislators are stupid enough to think they can stop garage modders.
The Future of ProVape
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Maybe we could start a side business, Amberina. We could take orders for Provaris and then send them off to those in Washington for a small fee. (Just teasing...this is really a terrible turn of events!)
Just an FYI......
I don't know which vendors or how many, bu a vendor was on the forums a few months back and stated that several vendors have pooled more then 8 million bucks with more coming in to fight whatever they deem nessecary, so in answer to what are vendors doing, Lots.
They have had to wait for legislation to happen etc, but they say they are ready. Let's cross our fingers.
Sorry I don't have a link to the thread I'm mentioning in question.
I don't know which vendors or how many, bu a vendor was on the forums a few months back and stated that several vendors have pooled more then 8 million bucks with more coming in to fight whatever they deem nessecary, so in answer to what are vendors doing, Lots.
They have had to wait for legislation to happen etc, but they say they are ready. Let's cross our fingers.
Sorry I don't have a link to the thread I'm mentioning in question.
Maybe I am reading this wrong but I read it as the ecigarette device will be taxed, unless and until it is deemed a smoking cessation aid by the USDA. So we are reading it differently. Yes, I believe it states that ecigs are excluded only if they are prescribed by a doctor and this is only if and after the USDA approval of ecig use as a cessation device such as the nicotine patches and gum and Chantix enjoy.
I am not afraid of ProVape shutting down. They may "move" but I doubt they'll shut down.
The other alternative would be that they simply sell parts and then openly release the plans to build. Kind of the way that ultralight aircraft skirt FAA regs as being "experimental" aircraft if the owner builds 51% of the plane.
Think about it. Deconstruct a ProVari and what individually could be "taxed".
an empty tube....not really
A variable voltage control board....again not really
A button? Again. Hard to do.
Battery end cap? don't think so.
510 connector? NOW there's some thing you could feasibly tax because the 510 connector is used exclusively for vaping and as a result would need to be taxed.....
So ProVape publically posts plans to "build" a provari, and you purchase the tube, end cap, button, control board all separately "non taxed". Then you pay the WHOPPING 75% tax on the $5.00 510 connector.....or outsource your own.
If you need your ProVari repaired, then you simply get whatever part you need.
ProVape could even authorize it's resellers to "build" the device in house and supply them with the pieces parts...again the 510 connector is the only thing that could be linked directly to vaping. Everything else is simply a battery tube with a voltage regulation device....
Problem solved.
The thing that is REALLY going to put a fly in the ointment, especially on the west coast of Washington is those Danged Indians. Washington has been fighting the Northwest Indian tribes on Tobacco and Fireworks issues for ages. The indians now also own casinos. The indians can sell vape gear TAX FREE. And unlike smokes, which you would need a tax stamp on, how are you going to put a tax stamp on GEAR. Or even a bottle of e-juice? Well you COULD, but odd's are you aren't carrying around a bottle of e-juice like you carried around a pack of smokes.
So what really happens is Washington simply drives vaping to the indian tribes and they get to make a mint and vapers get to take a drive.
Sad part is, had they put a "reasonable" tax in place, then most vapers would have paid. Of course we know this isn't about the vapers here on ECF. This is about john q public deciding on whether or not to spend $7.00 on a pack of smokes or $7.00 on a Blu or N-Joy.
Now that the Blu or N-Joy will cost nearly $14.00 he'll buy the smokes and keep that settlement money rolling in.
And Big Tobacco has all the time in the world. They'll sit back and let legislation like this shut down their competition like ProVape and MBV and when the government drives out the competition, then they'll swoop in with their high powered lawyers, challenge these taxes on their legal merit or lack thereof, and then open up the e-cig market for themselves while putting up barriers to competition such as proprietary delivery systems and e-gel or similar products.
E-cigs for EVERYONE!!!! THANKS BT!!!!!!
The other alternative would be that they simply sell parts and then openly release the plans to build. Kind of the way that ultralight aircraft skirt FAA regs as being "experimental" aircraft if the owner builds 51% of the plane.
Think about it. Deconstruct a ProVari and what individually could be "taxed".
an empty tube....not really
A variable voltage control board....again not really
A button? Again. Hard to do.
Battery end cap? don't think so.
510 connector? NOW there's some thing you could feasibly tax because the 510 connector is used exclusively for vaping and as a result would need to be taxed.....
So ProVape publically posts plans to "build" a provari, and you purchase the tube, end cap, button, control board all separately "non taxed". Then you pay the WHOPPING 75% tax on the $5.00 510 connector.....or outsource your own.
If you need your ProVari repaired, then you simply get whatever part you need.
ProVape could even authorize it's resellers to "build" the device in house and supply them with the pieces parts...again the 510 connector is the only thing that could be linked directly to vaping. Everything else is simply a battery tube with a voltage regulation device....
Problem solved.
The thing that is REALLY going to put a fly in the ointment, especially on the west coast of Washington is those Danged Indians. Washington has been fighting the Northwest Indian tribes on Tobacco and Fireworks issues for ages. The indians now also own casinos. The indians can sell vape gear TAX FREE. And unlike smokes, which you would need a tax stamp on, how are you going to put a tax stamp on GEAR. Or even a bottle of e-juice? Well you COULD, but odd's are you aren't carrying around a bottle of e-juice like you carried around a pack of smokes.
So what really happens is Washington simply drives vaping to the indian tribes and they get to make a mint and vapers get to take a drive.
Sad part is, had they put a "reasonable" tax in place, then most vapers would have paid. Of course we know this isn't about the vapers here on ECF. This is about john q public deciding on whether or not to spend $7.00 on a pack of smokes or $7.00 on a Blu or N-Joy.
Now that the Blu or N-Joy will cost nearly $14.00 he'll buy the smokes and keep that settlement money rolling in.
And Big Tobacco has all the time in the world. They'll sit back and let legislation like this shut down their competition like ProVape and MBV and when the government drives out the competition, then they'll swoop in with their high powered lawyers, challenge these taxes on their legal merit or lack thereof, and then open up the e-cig market for themselves while putting up barriers to competition such as proprietary delivery systems and e-gel or similar products.
E-cigs for EVERYONE!!!! THANKS BT!!!!!!
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Oh great, I finally discovery the Joy of Provari and now this. Hmmm, time to talk hubby into letting me buy a backup. Hopefully it doesn't take another 3 years or I may be SOS. On a serious note I feel awful for my vaping friends in Washington (even though I've never met you). Hopefully this doesn't make it past the next stages.
Lol very cute, however all they need to do is change the existing thread on a Provari to a flashlight only thread type, and sell it as a flashlight pending regular taxation, then create a threaded coupling to sell separately to convert a flashlight thread to a 510 with of course the increased sin tax only on that item.
It's hard being a genious.
BT shutting down their competition?
Don't forget the other angle: buying them out
Already been happening.. from hardware -- to apparently even nic base
The latter is highly concerning
Will the almighty dollar being dangled in front of the vape biz owners' eyes be too tempting? Will they sell their soul to
?I'm sure in many cases, you betcha
I sure hope so. 8 million would make a significant difference since much of this battle may end up a media war, which could be good since I doubt most of the public would vote for restrictions and taxes to sacrifice public health. Right now all the planning is behind closed doors and the public is shut out. Authorities keep trying to spin that tobacco companies are speaking for the vapers as if we are the same.
The average mom and pop smoker aren't going to want to going to want to feel like they are bending the law to buy an ecig. I bet that at least half of ppl who start vaping are doing so to save money. It's kinda weird to test this bill in Wa.
I'm still not sure if this is law yet or not.
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Not yet. It still has to pass the full House, then the Senate, and then off to be signed by the governor.
Doesnt surprise me one bit.
Careful, we already have people suffering from cognitive dissonance threatening to quit. Theyre not gonna know what do with you presenting them with facts.
I'm sure someone will sell a nicotine extraction kit which will be cloned by the Chinese, and sold at Slowtech.
Tobacco seeds are super cheap and one plant left to go to seed produces thousands of seeds.
I'd quit before paying a tax that high, at 4mg away from zero it isn't that much of a leap. Or move, either way I'm not feeding the machine any more than what the guy next door is, just not going to happen.
Maurice
Edit; Tax milk 75% that stuff is nasty, I don't like it, and some folks are lactose intolerant. Peanuts too, they are just plain bad, and kill people for real.
Tobacco seeds are super cheap and one plant left to go to seed produces thousands of seeds.
I'd quit before paying a tax that high, at 4mg away from zero it isn't that much of a leap. Or move, either way I'm not feeding the machine any more than what the guy next door is, just not going to happen.
Maurice
Edit; Tax milk 75% that stuff is nasty, I don't like it, and some folks are lactose intolerant. Peanuts too, they are just plain bad, and kill people for real.
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Quit trying to force me to buy a cow.I'm sure someone will sell a nicotine extraction kit which will be cloned by the Chinese, and sold at Slowtech.
Tobacco seeds are super cheap and one plant left to go to seed produces thousands of seeds.
I'd quit before paying a tax that high, at 4mg away from zero it isn't that much of a leap. Or move, either way I'm not feeding the machine any more than what the guy next door is, just not going to happen.
Maurice
Edit; Tax milk 75% that stuff is nasty, I don't like it, and some folks are lactose intolerant. Peanuts too, they are just plain bad, and kill people for real.
LOL my local ordinances that govern what I can have on my property would freak the %&#@ out if I carted a cow home. Its bad enough that we have a pot belly pig.
The best option is to just pull out of that state all together, so they earn zero revenue on e-anything. Or just give the stuff away with the purchase of this very fine $$$ dinner mint.
Greedy sons of female dogs.
Maurice
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